(08 Jun 2022, 9:06 pm)Adrian wrote It'd be odd for any company to impose a directive such as cutting PVR or services, wouldn't it? Are they not more likely to have been told to maintain (or increase) margin to X%? Of course, I agree one key way to achieve that is to reduce overheads, but the other is to increase sales.
(08 Jun 2022, 9:06 pm)Adrian wrote It'd be odd for any company to impose a directive such as cutting PVR or services, wouldn't it? Are they not more likely to have been told to maintain (or increase) margin to X%? Of course, I agree one key way to achieve that is to reduce overheads, but the other is to increase sales.
(08 Jun 2022, 9:26 pm)Andreos1 wrote Even if that was the case, they're failing with the latter!
(08 Jun 2022, 9:32 pm)DeltaMan wrote Well, that's another matter. I know I made my feelings known in my now outdated consultation response. But on the flip side we don't actually know the state the company is in. Nothing on Companies House since early last year, and a depot closure at Chester tells the story I think.And that's why I've directed a lot of my ire towards them. Even though the buck stops with MG.
(08 Jun 2022, 9:24 pm)DeltaMan wrote Not at all. Its happening in London right now.
It's no different to TJ Hughes in Newcastle shutting the top floor.
(08 Jun 2022, 9:50 pm)Ambassador wrote That letter from Kevan Jones is interesting, suggests what we all suspected. The consultation was a sham.
The absolute debacle around of the Better than Ever campaign back in September and the associated changes - MG has been a failure, covid played a part but he’s essentially a Beeching for buses up here. Best all round if he goes.
The platitudes on the various enthusiast groups tell you all you need to know about priorities.
(08 Jun 2022, 4:00 pm)Unber43 wrote Tbh, it could be worth extending it to Sunderland to have a every 30 mins with the X6 leaving, you could extend it actually throught where the 734 goes, and some of the 28 routes, say to Wreckton
(08 Jun 2022, 9:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote And that's why I've directed a lot of my ire towards them. Even though the buck stops with MG.Do you think Kevin Carr would have done anything different, or whoever was running at GNE before MG
The objectives of the commercial team, is to clearly drive commercial revenue growth whilst under whatever pressure to cut costs.
MG stated in his depot letter that they need to adapt to new market conditions. I don't see any adaptations. I see cuts.
Regardless of whether they're wagging the tail or not and whatever pressure there is to cut costs, that commercial revenue growth has clearly not happened.
I agree about the state of the division. I think MG mentioned that there's financial pressures. However, I noticed covid got the blame again.
(08 Jun 2022, 10:01 pm)Unber43 wrote Do you think Kevin Carr would have done anything different, or whoever was running at GNE before MGThere would have been less work for Stenning and table manufacturers that's for sure!
(08 Jun 2022, 10:00 pm)peter wrote I can't see it being extended to Sunderland commercially. The route of the 734 will be covered by the 34 going back that way. Tbh for the 28 it's only really High Handenhold, which I can see being left without a service, and Pelton Fell, which I reckon the 703 could be diverted to serve at least one of the stops. To me the most logical thing is with the 71 being DCC funded it being extended through to Langley Park to cover the 25, assuming DCC intend on funding to replace that stretch.
(08 Jun 2022, 10:07 pm)Storx wrote tbh. I wouldn't be surprised for both the 25 and 28 to be subsidised throughout taking in as much of the 23 and 29 in the process as they can.If the network doesn’t change much, but it’s heavily subsidised by the local authorities then GNE have won - same services but a lot more income for them.
(The 28 is already subsidised between Perkinsville and CLS so it's only the other half that needs money).
(09 Jun 2022, 9:51 am)busmanT wrote If the network doesn’t change much, but it’s heavily subsidised by the local authorities then GNE have won - same services but a lot more income for them.
If 25, 28 remain much as they are now which depot will work them? Presumably Riverside as the CLS closure seems more about the building than the service cuts.
(09 Jun 2022, 10:43 am)Storx wrote Aye agreed to be honest. Mind it depends on whether GNE win them though, I'm sure the likes of GCT, Stanley Travel and A-Line wouldn't mind a punt at some of them aswell. Even Arriva could maybe go for a cheeky punt it's Durham depot isn't exactly a million miles away from Langley Park / CLS.It all depends on if they are offered to open tender (i.e. all operators on the Local Authorities list are invited to submit a price) or are a "de-minimis" arrangement direct with Go North East.
(09 Jun 2022, 10:45 am)NL62WVW wrote We've been told up to nowI hope that the X21 doesn't break down at West Auckland - it will take Riverside an hour or two to attend!!
8 & 34 to Washington
21 & X21 to Riverside
71 to Deptford
Chester Town Service & Cathedral Bus to Consett
National Express to Riverside
No mention of 25 and 28 is up for tender
Not heard anything about Sainsburys Bus or Park View Schools
(09 Jun 2022, 11:33 am)busmanT wrote It all depends on if they are offered to open tender (i.e. all operators on the Local Authorities list are invited to submit a price) or are a "de-minimis" arrangement direct with Go North East.They certainly know how to look after their drivers! The company has struggled to recruit and retain for however long and assuming those concerns are genuine, it looks like they're going to lose some experienced staff going forward!
Perhaps Stagecoach might be even be interested.
I presume that GNE will have to register the changes with the Traffic Commissioner tomorrow - although the registrations might change once contracts are awarded.
The Northern Echo reports today that CLS depot will close on 24th July
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/2...pot-close/
(09 Jun 2022, 11:43 am)busmanT wrote I hope that the X21 doesn't break down at West Auckland - it will take Riverside an hour or two to attend!!They need an outstation of some kind. The top and tail X21s may as well run from Consett!
And what's the dead mileage going to be like?
Are GNE still doing the Park View and St Bedes Schools?
(08 Jun 2022, 9:24 pm)DeltaMan wrote Not at all. Its happening in London right now.
It's no different to TJ Hughes in Newcastle shutting the top floor.
(08 Jun 2022, 9:50 pm)Ambassador wrote That letter from Kevan Jones is interesting, suggests what we all suspected. The consultation was a sham.
The absolute debacle around of the Better than Ever campaign back in September and the associated changes - MG has been a failure, covid played a part but he’s essentially a Beeching for buses up here. Best all round if he goes.
The platitudes on the various enthusiast groups tell you all you need to know about priorities.
(09 Jun 2022, 2:23 pm)cbma06 wrote Isn’t the Chester depot closure proposed, I’m sure I read elsewhere that if DCC bow down to GNE and secure everything what GNE decided not to do commercial and GNE gets the contracts for the same work there do now, then Chester won’t close, I’m sure the proposed closure depended of GNE losing all the work and not needing the extra buses needed and the rest would go to various depots
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(09 Jun 2022, 3:17 pm)Unber43 wrote So basically this "consultation" was just....a waste of time
GNE.....im disappointed
(08 Jun 2022, 6:54 am)busmanT wrote Didn’t the consultation say it would be every 15 mins?
The only reason for splitting the 20 can be to allow interworking in S Shields with 26 (interworking with 50 won’t work due to both having a longer route)
The 9 won’t work on its own (too tight), so it’s possible that the 24 might interwork with 5 & 9 - we’ll have to wait until the timetables appear.
Time for a good fleet livery…..
(09 Jun 2022, 2:23 pm)cbma06 wrote Isn’t the Chester depot closure proposed, I’m sure I read elsewhere that if DCC bow down to GNE and secure everything what GNE decided not to do commercial and GNE gets the contracts for the same work there do now, then Chester won’t close, I’m sure the proposed closure depended of GNE losing all the work and not needing the extra buses needed and the rest would go to various depotsAs I read it, CLS is closing due to the cost of maintaining the building, cost pressures (pending wage increase), the General reduction in PVR that there has already been and further PVR reductions.
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(09 Jun 2022, 4:48 pm)S813 FVK wrote I didn't hold out much hope for the consultation either. Seemed to be about making it easy to deflect any criticism that will inevitably be coming their way.No different to most consultations!
Run a consultation to show that they're willing to listen, put a few proposals in the list that can realistically remain as they are now so they can say they have listened, and then tell customers that they had an opportunity to give their view when the final changes are announced/come into force.