(07 Jul 2022, 7:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?

Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.

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Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?

Personally I have a feeling all the Streetdeck's will leave Consett for fleet standardisation, there's no need for them there and the 47 is a secondary route when there's routes like the 58 which are usually flagship for fleet investment running around with ex London stock.

The two 64 plates would be better at Consett imo. Riverside obviously don't see much in them as they're never allocated to the X10 instead having the B9's on instead so having new Streetdecks there to go on instead would be an improvement if needed. Not to mention they would be together with the 21 and X21 batch when (and if) they eventually move there which very often have Omnidekka's on.

(07 Jul 2022, 8:06 pm)Storx wrote Personally I have a feeling all the Streetdeck's will leave Consett for fleet standardisation, there's no need for them there and the 47 is a secondary route when there's routes like the 58 which are usually flagship for fleet investment running around with ex London stock.

The two 64 plates would be better at Consett imo. Riverside obviously don't see much in them as they're never allocated to the X10 instead having the B9's on instead so having new Streetdecks there to go on instead would be an improvement if needed. Not to mention they would be together with the 21 and X21 batch when (and if) they eventually move there which very often have Omnidekka's on.

The 58 is never busy tho, though it doesn't need practically brand new street decks, I think they're going on the X21 and have the current X21 branded in corporate and moved to Depots as Euro 6 spares

(07 Jul 2022, 8:24 pm)nova347 wrote The 58 is never busy tho, though it doesn't need practically brand new street decks, I think they're going on the X21 and have the current X21 branded in corporate and moved to Depots as Euro 6 spares

Aye could do the X21 tbf but it's been hinted that they're not going onto there by Dan. 

Dunno it's a funny route the 58 as it used to be a very busy route to the stage that it needed the bendy buses and used to be always getting investment.

Brand new Merc's, brand new Versa's etc. It's been forgotten about lately really. The passengers are still there tbf so maybe they might try and grow it. 

If not the Streetdecks then maybe the displaced B5's instead. Means the B9's on there can do the ferries and act as spares as they're not the best really.

(07 Jul 2022, 7:57 pm)L469 YVK wrote But that will still leave Consett with only 1x low height spare covering a PVR of 8x (X30/X31/X45) unless 6336-37 are brought to Consett?

Only plan I can see for the StreetDecks is 6x for the 47 with 2x to Washington for the X1. Or....maybe something like the 58 as people have mentioned as that would still leave 1x left over for the X1.

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Or despite movements, maybe GNE don't repaint any XLines vehicles for a while (maybe removing any route specific text) and see how the changes bed in?

I'm surprised you've not mentioned the X21 for the Green Streetdecks given that there are 8 of them and the new X21 PVR is 8. 

You could have:
6149-54 - 57 (+ 1 spare bus)
6308-14 - 58
6315-27 - 21 (I get a current PVR of 13)
6328-31 - 21/X21 spare
6332-33 - X1 spare
6334-35 - Riverside Spare
6336-37 - Consett Spare
6338-51 - X30/31/45/71/72
6352-55 - X10
6356-63 - X21
6364-77 - X1

(07 Jul 2022, 8:45 pm)peter wrote I'm surprised you've not mentioned the X21 for the Green Streetdecks given that there are 8 of them and the new X21 PVR is 8. 

You could have:
6149-54 - 57 (+ 1 spare bus)
6308-14 - 58
6315-27 - 21 (I get a current PVR of 13)
6328-31 - 21/X21 spare
6332-33 - X1 spare
6334-35 - Riverside Spare
6336-37 - Consett Spare
6338-51 - X30/31/45/71/72
6352-55 - X10
6356-63 - X21
6364-77 - X1

Does the 57 need deckers? I have a feeling they'll get either the Versa's from the Q3 or new electric buses (it's one of two pretty much). 

The B9's would be good as spares for Consett for the 47 and others if needed since they can get under the bridge and maybe to run the peak X21/X58 and 327 which all need something. They can't be using Omnidekkas and the ex Lothian B9's like they do now.

(07 Jul 2022, 9:41 pm)Storx wrote Does the 57 need deckers? I have a feeling they'll get either the Versa's from the Q3 or new electric buses (it's one of two pretty much). 

The B9's would be good as spares for Consett for the 47 and others if needed since they can get under the bridge and maybe to run the peak X21/X58 and 327 which all need something. They can't be using Omnidekkas and the ex Lothian B9's like they do now.

Only the E400MMC's can get under Dunston Bridge. B9TLs were never used on the X30 even in the ToonLink days.

Some full height deckers can, but it's very tight and involves going in the middle of the road.

(07 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)L469 YVK wrote Only the E400MMC's can get under Dunston Bridge. B9TLs were never used on the X30 even in the ToonLink days.

Some full height deckers can, but it's very tight and involves going in the middle of the road.

Only some or all? 

Where presidents/lloynes able to get through the bridge?

I hold Weardale in high regard - I think they are a very good operator.

However, with the 725 it seems a bit poor from a passenger perspective for them to be operating it - yes ticket acceptance is being worked on, but I doubt you will be able to buy a Go North East ticket on a Weardale service - which is where I guess most passengers would start their journeys. So it's going to end up costing passengers a lot more unless they have a mobile ticket.

Of course, it could have been Rural Link or Scarlet Band - so a good outcome overall.

I wonder why GNE seem to be incapable of saying who will be operating the replacement services.
Surely that's very important information for passengers!

(07 Jul 2022, 11:45 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I wonder why GNE seem to be incapable of saying who will be operating the replacement services.
Surely that's very important information for passengers!

It was the same when the services in North Tyneside/Newcastle were changed - they just referred passengers to Nexus.

(07 Jul 2022, 11:48 pm)Thomas12 wrote It was the same when the services in North Tyneside/Newcastle were changed - they just referred passengers to Nexus.

It's not as if they can argue it's promoting a competitors service either, they're the ones that gave up on it!

IIRC, last time they appeared to provide links to the timetables of the replacement services, but they just lead to the Nexus homepage rather than directly to the service.

It looks like the 208 may interwork with the 61, but I do wonder what they’ll be allocating to the 61 as I can’t see anything bigger than solo doing the 208 route round the estates - Holme Hill and Paradise in Easington. They also haven’t branded the 208 as ‘Peterlee Purples’ which suggests it may share unbranded vehicles with the 61.

Typo on the timetable page - ‘Hordon’ it says, instead of ‘Horden’. They probably need to revise the stand allocation too as the 61 and 208 are both due on Stand F at Peterlee at the same time, arriving at xx:51.

Also, it is indeed the short 61s to/from Murton that are serving Wembley/East Moor Estate, not the Peterlee runs.

(08 Jul 2022, 10:00 am)Drifter60 wrote It looks like the 208 may interwork with the 61, but I do wonder what they’ll be allocating to the 61 as I can’t see anything bigger than solo doing the 208 route round the estates - Holme Hill and Paradise in Easington. They also haven’t branded the 208 as ‘Peterlee Purples’ which suggests it may share unbranded vehicles with the 61.

It's not, the 61 is on the main rota, and main rota drivers don't know the 208.

Some one may correct me on this but it seems that there will be no bus service going past joseph swan school at all now?

(08 Jul 2022, 10:06 am)Rob44 wrote Some one may correct me on this but it seems that there will be no bus service going past joseph swan school at all now?

You're right because the 29 will still use belle vue bank and operate via low fell.

(08 Jul 2022, 10:16 am)ASX_Terranova wrote You're right because the 29 will still use belle vue bank and operate via low fell.

Seems a strange decision although there are always alot of school buses there if i pass on a morning so maybe they dont drop off many students?

.  TBF on Facebook a lot off customers were happy a timetable for the 29 appeared but were less happy when it showed it wasn't going through birtley.  But you cant have everything.

(08 Jul 2022, 10:06 am)Rob44 wrote Some one may correct me on this but it seems that there will be no bus service going past joseph swan school at all now?

Aside scholars buses - Grace College as its called starts at 8.30 so there's either risking arriving on lower Chowdene at around 8.20 and having to walk along or arriving far far too early as Kibblesworth doesn't have a scholars bus.

The only issue for Kibblesworth residents is the a large amount still send kids to Lord Lawson which although accessible with scholars to Lord Lawson, around exam season or for flexible learning days that means either a ride to Durham Road and change or a ride up to Ouston and change which isn't ideal...or more likely - private car.

(08 Jul 2022, 10:47 am)Ambassador wrote Aside scholars buses - Grace College as its called starts at 8.30 so there's either risking arriving on lower Chowdene at around 8.20 and having to walk along or arriving far far too early as Kibblesworth doesn't have a scholars bus.

The only issue for Kibblesworth residents is the a large amount still send kids to Lord Lawson which although accessible with scholars to Lord Lawson, around exam season or for flexible learning days that means either a ride to Durham Road and change or a ride up to Ouston and change which isn't ideal...or more likely - private car.

I've just realised i cant get the 21 to Birtley and the 28a back up to the village after 23rd july! Bloody hell I might have to buy a bike

At least you'll have the inexplicably pointless 28B though!

(08 Jul 2022, 11:09 am)Rob44 wrote I've just realised i cant get the 21 to Birtley and the 28a back up to the village after 23rd july! Bloody hell I might have to buy a bike

You’ll have to get the pointless ‘taxibus’ 14 service.

https://bustimes.org/services/tb14-birtl...2022-07-25

Not sure why this couldn’t have been run with an actual bus

(08 Jul 2022, 10:04 am)deanmachine wrote It's not, the 61 is on the main rota, and main rota drivers don't know the 208.

Good to know - the 61 does need full size vehicles, especially with the decrease in frequency- wonder why the 208 isn’t in ‘purple’ colours.

(08 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm)Thomas12 wrote You’ll have to get the pointless ‘taxibus’ 14 service.

https://bustimes.org/services/tb14-birtl...2022-07-25

Not sure why this couldn’t have been run with an actual bus

What a bizarre route that is - so you could potentially catch that bus at Harras Bank going to Kibblesworth then be on it for 15 minutes to do a circle of estates in Northside Birtley to only find yourself back at Harras Bank before finally getting to Kibblesworth 

The argument on the TaxiBus operation of the current TB14 was the streets were too small - when it was the 23 aaaages ago GNE used to send Darts and Metroriders up there to Birtley East school and Malone Gardens all the time.

(08 Jul 2022, 12:14 pm)Drifter60 wrote Good to know - the 61 does need full size vehicles, especially with the decrease in frequency- wonder why the 208 isn’t in ‘purple’ colours.

Like I said yesterday I think it's telling that the branding for Prince Bishops has reverted to the old/current style and none of the 'new' services are branded (24/61/208 are examples that spring to mind).  I wouldn't be surprised to see most if not all new services go corporate and the now clearly ineffective branding and rebranding die out quietly along with MG's reign.

They've acted pretty quickly to remove the link to the pdf's which is positive in the short term (provided they come back - those tables are awful!) though there's still gremlins, e.g. 38 displays no services to the Docks on any date post 24th, unless you change it to show 'to Tunstall' so still not great in terms of easiness for joe public to find info.

(08 Jul 2022, 11:51 am)Ambassador wrote At least you'll have the inexplicably pointless 28B though!

Ah yes after 7pm when everyone want to go to birltey for the night life and the shops/gps etc  are all shut lol

(08 Jul 2022, 1:00 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Like I said yesterday I think it's telling that the branding for Prince Bishops has reverted to the old/current style and none of the 'new' services are branded (24/61/208 are examples that spring to mind).  I wouldn't be surprised to see most if not all new services go corporate and the now clearly ineffective branding and rebranding die out quietly along with MG's reign.

They've acted pretty quickly to remove the link to the pdf's which is positive in the short term (provided they come back - those tables are awful!) though there's still gremlins, e.g. 38 displays no services to the Docks on any date post 24th, unless you change it to show 'to Tunstall' so still not great in terms of easiness for joe public to find info.

Are you referring to the PDF? The actual page has always had the logo currently used on the buses, only printed timetables had/have this


Would be a shame to see names like 'Prince Bishops' and 'Drifter' die off, but the trouble is there's been far too much branding and rebranding - there could be real value in branding certain high-profile services, but there's no real need for things like Sunderland District with every route having its own colour.

So whose operating the 30 and 31 after July 24th?

(08 Jul 2022, 1:13 pm)F114TML wrote Are you referring to the PDF? The actual page has always had the logo currently used on the buses, only printed timetables had/have this


Would be a shame to see names like 'Prince Bishops' and 'Drifter' die off, but the trouble is there's been far too much branding and rebranding - there could be real value in branding certain high-profile services, but there's no real need for things like Sunderland District with every route having its own colour.

Honestly they should keep these ones as branded, all others should go. 

1
2/2A
8
10/A/B
16
20
21
27
39/39A/39B 
47
50
51/52
53/54
56
58
60
78
309/310/311
Peterlee Locals/X6
X1
X10
X5/15
X20
X21
X30/X31
X71
X45

All timetable are available on the website section under timetable & maps

Go North East have won the 392 from Henry Cooper. The 5.33am 92 & the 83A for some reason labeled Little Pinks

794 from Weardale. Wanna hope they have the drives for all this (here's where I'll get a reply saying "course they will there withdrawn so many services ")

(08 Jul 2022, 2:56 pm)Aaron21 wrote All timetable are available on the website section under timetable & maps

Go North East have won the 392 from Henry Cooper. The 5.33am 92 & the 83A for some reason labeled Little Pinks

794 from Weardale. Wanna hope they have the drives for all this (here's where I'll get a reply saying "course they will there withdrawn so many services ")

But not the pdf’s


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(08 Jul 2022, 3:18 pm)cbma06 wrote But not the pdf’s


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I think its because of all the ones that need updating. Wont be long