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Unber43



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18 Jul 2022, 7:14 pm #201
(18 Jul 2022, 12:33 pm)Retro Nero Apparently there is a rumour that there are some Enviro ADL 200s coming for the Drifter 60s but don't know if they're second hand or new .... Anybody else know?
The 60 is probably in the next order of buses. But god knows when

As Go-Ahead wants to have fully fleets of Electric Buses and or Hydrogen by 2035, surely a lot of the major routes, would have them by 2027/2028 for when 2035 comes they can be displaced on less profitable routes
Edited 18 Jul 2022, 7:15 pm by Unber43.
Unber43
18 Jul 2022, 7:14 pm #201

(18 Jul 2022, 12:33 pm)Retro Nero Apparently there is a rumour that there are some Enviro ADL 200s coming for the Drifter 60s but don't know if they're second hand or new .... Anybody else know?
The 60 is probably in the next order of buses. But god knows when

As Go-Ahead wants to have fully fleets of Electric Buses and or Hydrogen by 2035, surely a lot of the major routes, would have them by 2027/2028 for when 2035 comes they can be displaced on less profitable routes

Unber43



3,566
18 Jul 2022, 8:07 pm #202
You could order new buses for the 4 & 60. 

And the 8 60's can go onto the X20, 4's can go onto the 2/2A with 1/2 spare.

And the versas can displace the current citaros on the 35.
Unber43
18 Jul 2022, 8:07 pm #202

You could order new buses for the 4 & 60. 

And the 8 60's can go onto the X20, 4's can go onto the 2/2A with 1/2 spare.

And the versas can displace the current citaros on the 35.

F114TML



909
18 Jul 2022, 8:43 pm #203
(18 Jul 2022, 8:07 pm)Unber43 You could order new buses for the 4 & 60. 

And the 8 60's can go onto the X20, 4's can go onto the 2/2A with 1/2 spare.

And the versas can displace the current citaros on the 35.
I'm sure StreetLites would wear the Xlines livery well (/sarcasm), as well as being the exact opposite of luxury and comfort (although I think the Drifters are slightly better than the rest - may be the fact the seats aren't leather).

You could directly replace the X20 Citaros, and the ones on the 35 (at least all the branded ones) with just the Connections4 ones.
If the Drifters in this scenario went corporate then they'd also replace all but 2 of the 58-plate Citaros.

Then, assuming the X20 Citaros weren't sold, when Riverside gets the Yutongs (assuming they are for the QuayCity), send 5380-5390 to Deptford* and replace the rest of the Citaros (if the X20 ones were sold at the arrival of the C4s, 5380-90 would do the 58-plate Citaros, the Violets, and release the 4 StreetLites allocated to the 65, with one left over).
(/fantasy)

*I think actually these will just be distributed to start replacing the 09-, 10- and 11-plate Versas.
F114TML
18 Jul 2022, 8:43 pm #203

(18 Jul 2022, 8:07 pm)Unber43 You could order new buses for the 4 & 60. 

And the 8 60's can go onto the X20, 4's can go onto the 2/2A with 1/2 spare.

And the versas can displace the current citaros on the 35.
I'm sure StreetLites would wear the Xlines livery well (/sarcasm), as well as being the exact opposite of luxury and comfort (although I think the Drifters are slightly better than the rest - may be the fact the seats aren't leather).

You could directly replace the X20 Citaros, and the ones on the 35 (at least all the branded ones) with just the Connections4 ones.
If the Drifters in this scenario went corporate then they'd also replace all but 2 of the 58-plate Citaros.

Then, assuming the X20 Citaros weren't sold, when Riverside gets the Yutongs (assuming they are for the QuayCity), send 5380-5390 to Deptford* and replace the rest of the Citaros (if the X20 ones were sold at the arrival of the C4s, 5380-90 would do the 58-plate Citaros, the Violets, and release the 4 StreetLites allocated to the 65, with one left over).
(/fantasy)

*I think actually these will just be distributed to start replacing the 09-, 10- and 11-plate Versas.

cbma06



2,669
18 Jul 2022, 8:44 pm #204
Can’t see new buses anytime soon, if the current needs replacing then cast offs from younger streetlites would go on the 60


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cbma06
18 Jul 2022, 8:44 pm #204

Can’t see new buses anytime soon, if the current needs replacing then cast offs from younger streetlites would go on the 60


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Unber43



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18 Jul 2022, 8:52 pm #205
(18 Jul 2022, 8:44 pm)cbma06 Can’t see new buses anytime soon, if the current needs replacing then cast offs from younger streetlites would go on the 60


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I think the next order will be in 2023, and it will be for the 4 & 60.
Unber43
18 Jul 2022, 8:52 pm #205

(18 Jul 2022, 8:44 pm)cbma06 Can’t see new buses anytime soon, if the current needs replacing then cast offs from younger streetlites would go on the 60


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I think the next order will be in 2023, and it will be for the 4 & 60.

Storx



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18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm #206
(18 Jul 2022, 8:52 pm)Unber43 I think the next order will be in 2023, and it will be for the 4 & 60.

Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones (half of them going next week with the cuts). There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.
Storx
18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm #206

(18 Jul 2022, 8:52 pm)Unber43 I think the next order will be in 2023, and it will be for the 4 & 60.

Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones (half of them going next week with the cuts). There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.

F114TML



909
18 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm #207
(18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm)Storx Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones. There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.
However it did get new Versas for all of about 6 seconds before they were replaced by the (then new) StreetLites.
F114TML
18 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm #207

(18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm)Storx Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones. There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.
However it did get new Versas for all of about 6 seconds before they were replaced by the (then new) StreetLites.

Storx



4,621
18 Jul 2022, 10:10 pm #208
(18 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm)F114TML However it did get new Versas for all of about 6 seconds before they were replaced by the (then new) StreetLites.

Aye that's true mind. 

Mind that batch of Versa's have always been a bit of a reject group going from route to route and never really having a long term home all moving off their bought routes pretty early in their life or twice for the simplicity ones.

They seem to be getting withdrawn early aswell now, be surprised if they're around by the end of the year. Not sure if there's something wrong with them under the hood.
Storx
18 Jul 2022, 10:10 pm #208

(18 Jul 2022, 9:37 pm)F114TML However it did get new Versas for all of about 6 seconds before they were replaced by the (then new) StreetLites.

Aye that's true mind. 

Mind that batch of Versa's have always been a bit of a reject group going from route to route and never really having a long term home all moving off their bought routes pretty early in their life or twice for the simplicity ones.

They seem to be getting withdrawn early aswell now, be surprised if they're around by the end of the year. Not sure if there's something wrong with them under the hood.

GNE6312



1,091
19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am #209
(18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm)Storx Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones (half of them going next week with the cuts). There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.

If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year
GNE6312
19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am #209

(18 Jul 2022, 9:33 pm)Storx Not a chance, be at least 2025 if generous for them. The Drifter doesn't usually get much investment it had the god damn awful Marshall Darts on for years.

The next order will be for Hexham replacing the oldest Solo's and getting something Euro 6 for the 74 imo.

The 08/58 Merc's will be gone by the end of this year imo displaced by whatever the electrics go on either the 10 plate Versa's or the Quaycity ones (half of them going next week with the cuts). There's also the X45/X46 Streetdeck's which will displace stuff aswell. I still think the 58 either via the X21 (unsure personally) or directly.

If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year

Unber43



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19 Jul 2022, 9:42 am #210
(19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am)GNE6312 If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year
Tbf they could just get one of the QuayCity and repaint it. Especially if they get the new electric buses, 7 are needed + 1 spare, leaves 1 for the 74, plus they can grab 729 or 730 to replace it if it breakdown. + there will be spare versa's off the 25 cancellation from CLS to Langley Park
Unber43
19 Jul 2022, 9:42 am #210

(19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am)GNE6312 If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year
Tbf they could just get one of the QuayCity and repaint it. Especially if they get the new electric buses, 7 are needed + 1 spare, leaves 1 for the 74, plus they can grab 729 or 730 to replace it if it breakdown. + there will be spare versa's off the 25 cancellation from CLS to Langley Park

Storx



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19 Jul 2022, 11:01 am #211
(19 Jul 2022, 9:42 am)Unber43 Tbf they could just get one of the QuayCity Solos and repaint it. Especially if they get the new electric buses, 7 are needed + 1 spare, leaves 1 for the 74, plus they can grab 729 or 730 to replace it if it breakdown. + there will be spare versa's off the 25 cancellation from CLS to Langley Park

There is no Quaycity Solos..?

The 74 100% doesn't need Versa's nor does the 684 either really. Wouldn't be surprised to see those get new buses at the same time. 

Be interesting to see what happens as it was supposed to be sorted under Zebra but they didn't win the funds.

Means the Versa's can all go off to Deptford and see off the Merc's and the 09 Versa's dotted all over which are slowly getting withdrawn (most are Euro 4).

(19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am)GNE6312 If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year

Aye fair point all depends when the LEZ comes in really though. Not sure how the tendering works for the Hexham routes I know some of Arriva's ie the X14, I don't believe, go out to tender. (There's a word for it but the word has gone out my head).
Edited 19 Jul 2022, 11:04 am by Storx.
Storx
19 Jul 2022, 11:01 am #211

(19 Jul 2022, 9:42 am)Unber43 Tbf they could just get one of the QuayCity Solos and repaint it. Especially if they get the new electric buses, 7 are needed + 1 spare, leaves 1 for the 74, plus they can grab 729 or 730 to replace it if it breakdown. + there will be spare versa's off the 25 cancellation from CLS to Langley Park

There is no Quaycity Solos..?

The 74 100% doesn't need Versa's nor does the 684 either really. Wouldn't be surprised to see those get new buses at the same time. 

Be interesting to see what happens as it was supposed to be sorted under Zebra but they didn't win the funds.

Means the Versa's can all go off to Deptford and see off the Merc's and the 09 Versa's dotted all over which are slowly getting withdrawn (most are Euro 4).

(19 Jul 2022, 7:23 am)GNE6312 If it were for the 74 they might want to wait till next year as that contract only has a year so pointless investing in a bus that would spend less than a year on a route (obviously that's a worse case scenario but still has ti be considered) unless it's something standard across another (or afew other) depots to allow it to move to another route should GNE loose the 74 next year

Aye fair point all depends when the LEZ comes in really though. Not sure how the tendering works for the Hexham routes I know some of Arriva's ie the X14, I don't believe, go out to tender. (There's a word for it but the word has gone out my head).

ne14ne1



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19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm #212
(19 Jul 2022, 11:01 am)Storx Aye fair point all depends when the LEZ comes in really though.

The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.
ne14ne1
19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm #212

(19 Jul 2022, 11:01 am)Storx Aye fair point all depends when the LEZ comes in really though.

The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.

Unber43



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19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm #213
(19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm)ne14ne1
The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.
Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged
Unber43
19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm #213

(19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm)ne14ne1
The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.
Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged

19 Jul 2022, 1:43 pm #214
(19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm)Unber43 Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged

Really it should go off the date the CAZ was originally meant to start, not the new start date, because really the vehicles should be here by the new start date if they were hoping to take advantage of that last time!
streetdeckfan
19 Jul 2022, 1:43 pm #214

(19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm)Unber43 Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged

Really it should go off the date the CAZ was originally meant to start, not the new start date, because really the vehicles should be here by the new start date if they were hoping to take advantage of that last time!

Storx



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19 Jul 2022, 3:33 pm #215
(19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm)ne14ne1
The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.

Thanks, got lost with the dates since the delays.

(19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm)Unber43 Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged

They do January 1st 2023. It's a year after it was meant to come in. As Streetdeck said it's a bit irrational to then claim another year on top of it.

I'm guessing it's why they had the minibus trial last month. Feel for the 74 passengers if they go with breadvans.
Storx
19 Jul 2022, 3:33 pm #215

(19 Jul 2022, 12:35 pm)ne14ne1
The proposals would see the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) brought into operation from November this year, with drivers of non-compliant vehicles entering the zone being sent warning letters, along with details about financial support.

Subject to government approval, charges for non-compliant taxis, buses and HGVs would begin from 30 January 2023.

Thanks, got lost with the dates since the delays.

(19 Jul 2022, 1:33 pm)Unber43 Couldn't the company provide details whether within 1 year the vehicles would be replaced/upgraded weren't going to be charged

They do January 1st 2023. It's a year after it was meant to come in. As Streetdeck said it's a bit irrational to then claim another year on top of it.

I'm guessing it's why they had the minibus trial last month. Feel for the 74 passengers if they go with breadvans.

Unber43



3,566
19 Jul 2022, 3:46 pm #216
(19 Jul 2022, 3:33 pm)Storx Thanks, got lost with the dates since the delays.


They do January 1st 2023. It's a year after it was meant to come in. As Streetdeck said it's a bit irrational to then claim another year on top of it.

I'm guessing it's why they had the minibus trial last month. Feel for the 74 passengers if they go with breadvans.
I wonder if they might just buy a set of 2 of Euro 6 strata's (or whatever they are called) for the poor customers
Unber43
19 Jul 2022, 3:46 pm #216

(19 Jul 2022, 3:33 pm)Storx Thanks, got lost with the dates since the delays.


They do January 1st 2023. It's a year after it was meant to come in. As Streetdeck said it's a bit irrational to then claim another year on top of it.

I'm guessing it's why they had the minibus trial last month. Feel for the 74 passengers if they go with breadvans.
I wonder if they might just buy a set of 2 of Euro 6 strata's (or whatever they are called) for the poor customers

Unber43



3,566
10 Aug 2022, 8:52 pm #217
Does anyone think GNE will ever order any brand new diesels buses again? Or will E200/E400 & Streetdecks be the last of them?
Unber43
10 Aug 2022, 8:52 pm #217

Does anyone think GNE will ever order any brand new diesels buses again? Or will E200/E400 & Streetdecks be the last of them?

29 Aug 2022, 8:21 am #218
Passing observation, Henry Copper's two B7RLE Urbans are out of work, 2010 registered as with the ex EY six....
54APhotography
29 Aug 2022, 8:21 am #218

Passing observation, Henry Copper's two B7RLE Urbans are out of work, 2010 registered as with the ex EY six....

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29 Aug 2022, 2:45 pm #219
(29 Aug 2022, 8:21 am)54APhotography Passing observation, Henry Copper's two B7RLE Urbans are out of work, 2010 registered as with the ex EY six....


They’ll keep them busy on private hires for the next two years, I suspect.


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29 Aug 2022, 2:45 pm #219

(29 Aug 2022, 8:21 am)54APhotography Passing observation, Henry Copper's two B7RLE Urbans are out of work, 2010 registered as with the ex EY six....


They’ll keep them busy on private hires for the next two years, I suspect.


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31 Aug 2022, 1:59 pm #220
(29 Aug 2022, 2:45 pm)Dan They’ll keep them busy on private hires for the next two years, I suspect.


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31 Aug 2022, 1:59 pm #220

(29 Aug 2022, 2:45 pm)Dan They’ll keep them busy on private hires for the next two years, I suspect.


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Called in yesterday and they confirmed they are keeping them.

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