Disruptions and driver shortages
Disruptions and driver shortages
(22 Jul 2022, 5:00 pm)BusLoverMum "22/23/24 all running hourly."
Measures like this, while a pain in the arse for passengers, are far preferable to the current mess of some buses cancelled, some doing one half of a route, some doing the other half, with the resultant huge and unpredictable gaps, often coinciding with similar gaps on alternative services, leaving people stranded for long periods.
(22 Jul 2022, 5:00 pm)BusLoverMum "22/23/24 all running hourly."
Measures like this, while a pain in the arse for passengers, are far preferable to the current mess of some buses cancelled, some doing one half of a route, some doing the other half, with the resultant huge and unpredictable gaps, often coinciding with similar gaps on alternative services, leaving people stranded for long periods.
(22 Jul 2022, 5:08 pm)Unber43 Just look at the 21, there is about 50% of the vehicles on that there should be.A cynic may say the list of published cancellations vs unannounced or 'unscheduled' cancellations is done deliberately and has all sorts of things to do with funding eligibility.
From Newcastle: 05:15, 19:02, 20:06, 21:26, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:35, 19:05.
From Durham: 06:13, 07:00, 22:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 04:37, 18:18, 20:44.
Considering that was all that was listed, why won't GNE give us the full cancellation? Are they too embarrassed at them?
(22 Jul 2022, 5:19 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Interesting the level of unanimity here in terms of preference for reduced but predictable timetable (approach of SNE and apparently soon to be ANE) to the attempt to run a full timetable unreliably (GNEs approach for several months now).I think most want some sort of stability or predictability.
It seems obvious to me which would be preferable to customers and appears to be borne out here too … but does anyone take the opposite view?
And if not, and it is as obvious as it appears that operating emergency timetables is better than – to use the phrase of the day – the shitshow that is GNE’s offering, why have GNE persisted with this failing approach for so long?
Would introduction of emergency timetables across the board have reduced inconvenience to customers and potentially done less damage to the GNE brand?
Seems really odd they took the emergency timetable approach to a minority of services but not the rest, despite very obvious chronic failures in delivery across the business.
(22 Jul 2022, 5:08 pm)Unber43 Just look at the 21, there is about 50% of the vehicles on that there should be.A cynic may say the list of published cancellations vs unannounced or 'unscheduled' cancellations is done deliberately and has all sorts of things to do with funding eligibility.
From Newcastle: 05:15, 19:02, 20:06, 21:26, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:35, 19:05.
From Durham: 06:13, 07:00, 22:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 04:37, 18:18, 20:44.
Considering that was all that was listed, why won't GNE give us the full cancellation? Are they too embarrassed at them?
(22 Jul 2022, 5:19 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Interesting the level of unanimity here in terms of preference for reduced but predictable timetable (approach of SNE and apparently soon to be ANE) to the attempt to run a full timetable unreliably (GNEs approach for several months now).I think most want some sort of stability or predictability.
It seems obvious to me which would be preferable to customers and appears to be borne out here too … but does anyone take the opposite view?
And if not, and it is as obvious as it appears that operating emergency timetables is better than – to use the phrase of the day – the shitshow that is GNE’s offering, why have GNE persisted with this failing approach for so long?
Would introduction of emergency timetables across the board have reduced inconvenience to customers and potentially done less damage to the GNE brand?
Seems really odd they took the emergency timetable approach to a minority of services but not the rest, despite very obvious chronic failures in delivery across the business.
(22 Jul 2022, 5:08 pm)Unber43 Just look at the 21, there is about 50% of the vehicles on that there should be.There's an orchestra of angels
From Newcastle: 05:15, 19:02, 20:06, 21:26, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:35, 19:05.
From Durham: 06:13, 07:00, 22:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 04:37, 18:18, 20:44.
Considering that was all that was listed, why won't GNE give us the full cancellation? Are they too embarrassed at them?
(22 Jul 2022, 5:08 pm)Unber43 Just look at the 21, there is about 50% of the vehicles on that there should be.There's an orchestra of angels
From Newcastle: 05:15, 19:02, 20:06, 21:26, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:35, 19:05.
From Durham: 06:13, 07:00, 22:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 04:37, 18:18, 20:44.
Considering that was all that was listed, why won't GNE give us the full cancellation? Are they too embarrassed at them?
(22 Jul 2022, 1:53 pm)Unber43 Are the 61 being allocated Deckers to Peterlee, aswell as the X6 (which could be an OmniDekka)
The One time GNE might be able to take some competiton and they cancel the 55, please bring it back for this.
(22 Jul 2022, 1:53 pm)Unber43 Are the 61 being allocated Deckers to Peterlee, aswell as the X6 (which could be an OmniDekka)
The One time GNE might be able to take some competiton and they cancel the 55, please bring it back for this.
Well...if you thought previous days where a shi*t show, you've seen nothing like it, Deptford Small Bus Rota & Peterlee Rota Have Cancellations for the first time in a while, aswell as Percy Main.
- Xlines X1 - What A Mess
It has no bus running to Easington Lane from Newcastle, from 14:23, 14:35 | 15:47, 15:59 | 16:23, 16:47 | 17:23, 17:35, the 17:47 will only run as far as Washington. Meaning where it is roughly 17:11 to 18:00 wait for an X1 past Washington.
Furthermore GNE cancelling 55 in order for people to use the X1, seems to have backfired when they have a 2 hour wait for one with : 14:14, 14:38, 15:14, cancelled.
- Peterlee Purples X6:
From Peterlee: 15:47
From Sunderland: 15:06
-X-lines X20:
From Langley Park: 11:13
From Sunderland: 09:43
- Xlines X21
From Bishop Auckland - Last Service to Newcastle from Bishop Auckland (20:45) is cancelled. Last Bishop Auckland to ClS (22:45) is cancelled.
- Coaster 1
From Whitley Bay - Final 1 (23:36) is cancelled
- Connections 4
From Heworth - 10:01, 10:13, 10:25 three in a row are cancelled (48 Min Wait)
- Coast & Country 8 (what a DISASTER)
From Stanley 16:19, 16:49 | Last 5 from Stanley Cancelled 19:22, 20:22, 21:22, 22:22, 23:22.
From Sunderland 18:57, 20:57, 21:57, 22:57.
- Tyne Valley Ten(A)
From Blackhall Mill 16:44, 17:46, 18:45, 19:38 (4 in a row)
- Angel 21
From Newcastle: 17:16, 18:26, 19:26, 20:06, 20:26, 21:26, 22:26, 22:46, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:37.
From Durham: 21:40, 22:27, 23:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 18:39, 19:44, 20:44, 21:44. (Quadruple this amount will probably get you close to the amount of cancellations)
- Go North East 26
From South Shields - Final 26 (23:16) is cancelled
- Go North East 28
From Newcastle - I guess some of you have got your wish the 28 is every two hours from 8am - 07:23, 07:59, 09:59, 11:59, 13:59, 15:59
From Chester-Le-Street - 09:14, 11:14, 13:14
- Go North East 28A
From Newcastle Every 2 hours - 08:22, 10:22, 12:22, 14:22,
From CLS - 07:10, 09:08, 11:08, 13:08, 15:08, 18:08.
- Go North East 28B
From CLS : 23:05 (Final Service) is cancelled
- Go North East 34
From Waldridge Park - 09:40, 10:20, 10:40, 11:20, 11:40, 12:00 - Meaning the route is basically every hour, with a 60 minute gap, twice. With the 11:00 only running as far as CLS meaning you could be in for about Two Hour Wait | 21:02, 22:02, meaning there is a 3 hour wait, for the next bus which is the last bus
From Outson - 09:11, 09:51, 10:11, 10:51, 11:11, 11:31, 12:11 | 21:32, 22:32 Three Hour Wait
- Sunderland & District Graphite 39-39A
From Pennywell - 08:13, 08:32 (45 min wait) | 09:47, 10:17, 10:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39) | 11:02, 11:32, 12:02 (Two hour wait for 39A), between 10:32 - 11:17 there are no buses running from Pennywell
From Doxford Park - 09:04, 09:34, 10:04 (Two Hour Wait 39A), 10:17, 10:41, 11:17, 11:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39A), 12:04 (with a 45 min wait here)
- Peterlee Purples 62
From Sunderland -17:02.
From Peterlee - 18:26.
- Peterlee Purples 201
From Peterlee: 15:15, 16:15, 17:15. (Every Hour, instead of every 30 mins)
From Bracken Hill: 15:27, 16:27, 17:27 (Every Hour instead of every 30 mins)
- Peterlee Purples 209
From Peterlee: 14:43, 15:43, 16:43. (4 Hour Wait)
From Horden Hall: 14:53, 15:53, 16:53. (4 Hour Wait)
(22 Jul 2022, 7:29 pm)Unber43 Well...if you thought previous days where a shi*t show, you've seen nothing like it, Deptford Small Bus Rota & Peterlee Rota Have Cancellations for the first time in a while, aswell as Percy Main.
- Xlines X1 - What A Mess
It has no bus running to Easington Lane from Newcastle, from 14:23, 14:35 | 15:47, 15:59 | 16:23, 16:47 | 17:23, 17:35, the 17:47 will only run as far as Washington. Meaning where it is roughly 17:11 to 18:00 wait for an X1 past Washington.
Furthermore GNE cancelling 55 in order for people to use the X1, seems to have backfired when they have a 2 hour wait for one with : 14:14, 14:38, 15:14, cancelled.
- Peterlee Purples X6:
From Peterlee: 15:47
From Sunderland: 15:06
-X-lines X20:
From Langley Park: 11:13
From Sunderland: 09:43
- Xlines X21
From Bishop Auckland - Last Service to Newcastle from Bishop Auckland (20:45) is cancelled. Last Bishop Auckland to ClS (22:45) is cancelled.
- Coaster 1
From Whitley Bay - Final 1 (23:36) is cancelled
- Connections 4
From Heworth - 10:01, 10:13, 10:25 three in a row are cancelled (48 Min Wait)
- Coast & Country 8 (what a DISASTER)
From Stanley 16:19, 16:49 | Last 5 from Stanley Cancelled 19:22, 20:22, 21:22, 22:22, 23:22.
From Sunderland 18:57, 20:57, 21:57, 22:57.
- Tyne Valley Ten(A)
From Blackhall Mill 16:44, 17:46, 18:45, 19:38 (4 in a row)
- Angel 21
From Newcastle: 17:16, 18:26, 19:26, 20:06, 20:26, 21:26, 22:26, 22:46, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:37.
From Durham: 21:40, 22:27, 23:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 18:39, 19:44, 20:44, 21:44. (Quadruple this amount will probably get you close to the amount of cancellations)
- Go North East 26
From South Shields - Final 26 (23:16) is cancelled
- Go North East 28
From Newcastle - I guess some of you have got your wish the 28 is every two hours from 8am - 07:23, 07:59, 09:59, 11:59, 13:59, 15:59
From Chester-Le-Street - 09:14, 11:14, 13:14
- Go North East 28A
From Newcastle Every 2 hours - 08:22, 10:22, 12:22, 14:22,
From CLS - 07:10, 09:08, 11:08, 13:08, 15:08, 18:08.
- Go North East 28B
From CLS : 23:05 (Final Service) is cancelled
- Go North East 34
From Waldridge Park - 09:40, 10:20, 10:40, 11:20, 11:40, 12:00 - Meaning the route is basically every hour, with a 60 minute gap, twice. With the 11:00 only running as far as CLS meaning you could be in for about Two Hour Wait | 21:02, 22:02, meaning there is a 3 hour wait, for the next bus which is the last bus
From Outson - 09:11, 09:51, 10:11, 10:51, 11:11, 11:31, 12:11 | 21:32, 22:32 Three Hour Wait
- Sunderland & District Graphite 39-39A
From Pennywell - 08:13, 08:32 (45 min wait) | 09:47, 10:17, 10:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39) | 11:02, 11:32, 12:02 (Two hour wait for 39A), between 10:32 - 11:17 there are no buses running from Pennywell
From Doxford Park - 09:04, 09:34, 10:04 (Two Hour Wait 39A), 10:17, 10:41, 11:17, 11:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39A), 12:04 (with a 45 min wait here)
- Peterlee Purples 62
From Sunderland -17:02.
From Peterlee - 18:26.
- Peterlee Purples 201
From Peterlee: 15:15, 16:15, 17:15. (Every Hour, instead of every 30 mins)
From Bracken Hill: 15:27, 16:27, 17:27 (Every Hour instead of every 30 mins)
- Peterlee Purples 209
From Peterlee: 14:43, 15:43, 16:43. (4 Hour Wait)
From Horden Hall: 14:53, 15:53, 16:53. (4 Hour Wait)
(22 Jul 2022, 7:29 pm)Unber43 Well...if you thought previous days where a shi*t show, you've seen nothing like it, Deptford Small Bus Rota & Peterlee Rota Have Cancellations for the first time in a while, aswell as Percy Main.
- Xlines X1 - What A Mess
It has no bus running to Easington Lane from Newcastle, from 14:23, 14:35 | 15:47, 15:59 | 16:23, 16:47 | 17:23, 17:35, the 17:47 will only run as far as Washington. Meaning where it is roughly 17:11 to 18:00 wait for an X1 past Washington.
Furthermore GNE cancelling 55 in order for people to use the X1, seems to have backfired when they have a 2 hour wait for one with : 14:14, 14:38, 15:14, cancelled.
- Peterlee Purples X6:
From Peterlee: 15:47
From Sunderland: 15:06
-X-lines X20:
From Langley Park: 11:13
From Sunderland: 09:43
- Xlines X21
From Bishop Auckland - Last Service to Newcastle from Bishop Auckland (20:45) is cancelled. Last Bishop Auckland to ClS (22:45) is cancelled.
- Coaster 1
From Whitley Bay - Final 1 (23:36) is cancelled
- Connections 4
From Heworth - 10:01, 10:13, 10:25 three in a row are cancelled (48 Min Wait)
- Coast & Country 8 (what a DISASTER)
From Stanley 16:19, 16:49 | Last 5 from Stanley Cancelled 19:22, 20:22, 21:22, 22:22, 23:22.
From Sunderland 18:57, 20:57, 21:57, 22:57.
- Tyne Valley Ten(A)
From Blackhall Mill 16:44, 17:46, 18:45, 19:38 (4 in a row)
- Angel 21
From Newcastle: 17:16, 18:26, 19:26, 20:06, 20:26, 21:26, 22:26, 22:46, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:37.
From Durham: 21:40, 22:27, 23:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 18:39, 19:44, 20:44, 21:44. (Quadruple this amount will probably get you close to the amount of cancellations)
- Go North East 26
From South Shields - Final 26 (23:16) is cancelled
- Go North East 28
From Newcastle - I guess some of you have got your wish the 28 is every two hours from 8am - 07:23, 07:59, 09:59, 11:59, 13:59, 15:59
From Chester-Le-Street - 09:14, 11:14, 13:14
- Go North East 28A
From Newcastle Every 2 hours - 08:22, 10:22, 12:22, 14:22,
From CLS - 07:10, 09:08, 11:08, 13:08, 15:08, 18:08.
- Go North East 28B
From CLS : 23:05 (Final Service) is cancelled
- Go North East 34
From Waldridge Park - 09:40, 10:20, 10:40, 11:20, 11:40, 12:00 - Meaning the route is basically every hour, with a 60 minute gap, twice. With the 11:00 only running as far as CLS meaning you could be in for about Two Hour Wait | 21:02, 22:02, meaning there is a 3 hour wait, for the next bus which is the last bus
From Outson - 09:11, 09:51, 10:11, 10:51, 11:11, 11:31, 12:11 | 21:32, 22:32 Three Hour Wait
- Sunderland & District Graphite 39-39A
From Pennywell - 08:13, 08:32 (45 min wait) | 09:47, 10:17, 10:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39) | 11:02, 11:32, 12:02 (Two hour wait for 39A), between 10:32 - 11:17 there are no buses running from Pennywell
From Doxford Park - 09:04, 09:34, 10:04 (Two Hour Wait 39A), 10:17, 10:41, 11:17, 11:47 (Two Hour Wait for 39A), 12:04 (with a 45 min wait here)
- Peterlee Purples 62
From Sunderland -17:02.
From Peterlee - 18:26.
- Peterlee Purples 201
From Peterlee: 15:15, 16:15, 17:15. (Every Hour, instead of every 30 mins)
From Bracken Hill: 15:27, 16:27, 17:27 (Every Hour instead of every 30 mins)
- Peterlee Purples 209
From Peterlee: 14:43, 15:43, 16:43. (4 Hour Wait)
From Horden Hall: 14:53, 15:53, 16:53. (4 Hour Wait)
(22 Jul 2022, 7:53 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Christ even I think this is getting a bit obsessive now ... you must spend a LOT of time comparing all the cancellations to the published timetables to work out the size of the gaps. We all know GNE have a ridiculous amount of lost mileage atm and they are seeking to address it (albeit by slashing services)... surely we need to give it a chance, after the changes, to see if it works out.I mean it took me about 15 mins.
(22 Jul 2022, 7:53 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Christ even I think this is getting a bit obsessive now ... you must spend a LOT of time comparing all the cancellations to the published timetables to work out the size of the gaps. We all know GNE have a ridiculous amount of lost mileage atm and they are seeking to address it (albeit by slashing services)... surely we need to give it a chance, after the changes, to see if it works out.I mean it took me about 15 mins.
(22 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm)Adrian Just a suggestion, but would it not be easier if they started listing what will be running?
(22 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm)Adrian Just a suggestion, but would it not be easier if they started listing what will be running?
(22 Jul 2022, 7:29 pm)Unber43 - Angel 21
From Newcastle: 17:16, 18:26, 19:26, 20:06, 20:26, 21:26, 22:26, 22:46, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:37.
From Durham: 21:40, 22:27, 23:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 18:39, 19:44, 20:44, 21:44. (Quadruple this amount will probably get you close to the amount of cancellations)
(22 Jul 2022, 7:29 pm)Unber43 - Angel 21
From Newcastle: 17:16, 18:26, 19:26, 20:06, 20:26, 21:26, 22:26, 22:46, 23:26.
From Brandon: 18:37.
From Durham: 21:40, 22:27, 23:27.
From Chester-le-Street to Newcastle: 18:39, 19:44, 20:44, 21:44. (Quadruple this amount will probably get you close to the amount of cancellations)
(22 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm)Adrian Just a suggestion, but would it not be easier if they started listing what will be running?I could see it being easier for passengers doing it that way.
(23 Jul 2022, 5:45 am)User2613 Someone should make a full list of the actual 21 cancellations today and compare to the published list. I will start seen as I am now walking home from work rather P'd offI will work out all the ones which did not run from Newcastle today, ill work it out later today.
6:33 from Chester to Newcastle Cancelled
(23 Jul 2022, 5:45 am)User2613 Someone should make a full list of the actual 21 cancellations today and compare to the published list. I will start seen as I am now walking home from work rather P'd offI will work out all the ones which did not run from Newcastle today, ill work it out later today.
6:33 from Chester to Newcastle Cancelled
Cancellations From Newcastle on 21 Friday 22nd July 2022.
05:15 - 05:40 - 06:10B - 06:25 - 06:38B - 06:53 - 07:03B - 07:13 - 07:23 - 07:33B - 07:43 - 07:53 - 08:03 - 08:13B - 08:23 - 08:33 - 08:43B - 08:53 - 09:03 - 09:13B - 09:23 - 09:33 - 09:43B - 09:53 - 10:03 - 10:13B - 10:23 - 10:33 - 10:43B - 10:53 - 11:03 - 11:13B - 11:23 - 11:33 - 11:43B - 11:53 - 12:03 - 12:13B - 12:23 - 12:33 - 12:43B - 12:53 - 13:03 - 13:13 - 13:23 - 13:33 - 13:43B - 13:53 - 14:03 - 14:13B - 14:23 - 14:33 - 14:43B - 14:53 - 15:03G - 15:13B - 15:23 - 15:34G - 15:45B - 15:55 - 16:02 - 16:12B - 16:22 - 16:32 - 16:42B - 16:52 - 17:02 - 17:12B - 17:22 - 17:32 - 17:42B - 17:52 - 18:02 - 18:12 - 18:22D - 18:32 - 18:42D - 18:52 - 19:02 - 19:12 - 19:25D - 19:36 - 19:46D - 20:06 - 20:26D - 20:46D - 21:06 - 21:26D - 21:46D - 22:06 - 22:26 - 22:46 - 23:02 - 23:26 - 23:46
Bold - Didn’t Run
B/D - Extended to Brandon & Durham
C - Ran from CLS to Durham/Brandon
G - Ran just not from Newcastle
Note - This probably has some incorrect labeled running/cancelled service. These are only services from Newcastle, they do not count if it ran from Gatesehad/Chester Le Street
From my count 40/100 services didn't run, which is 2/5
These are the ones listed not to run
From Newcastle: 05:15, 19:02, 20:06, 21:26, 23:26 - Thats 5 out of 40
Hopefully the changes do help recover things with football starting up, the next two weekends have Newcastle home games to contend with
(22 Jul 2022, 1:49 pm)Dan In other news, I believe Arriva North East are going onto emergency timetables shortly due to their staffing situation getting increasingly worse, which will include services 22/23/24 all running hourly.
(22 Jul 2022, 1:49 pm)Dan In other news, I believe Arriva North East are going onto emergency timetables shortly due to their staffing situation getting increasingly worse, which will include services 22/23/24 all running hourly.