Some interesting movements on buslists.uk lead to six ex Yellow Buses E400 MMC's being added to GNE's fleet list, can anyone confirm if these have actually been acquired by GNE or if this is just someone making false movements again?

40xx isn't the double decker series for GNE is it?

(02 Sep 2022, 8:51 am)wibblejunior wrote Some interesting movements on buslists.uk lead to six ex Yellow Buses E400 MMC's being added to GNE's fleet list, can anyone confirm if these have actually been acquired by GNE or if this is just someone making false movements again?

I think its like Bustimes.org, anyone can edit it, however, Yellow buses has ceased trading so GNE could of got them for extra buses for around Newcastle - as they would be Euro 6.

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(02 Sep 2022, 9:20 am)omnicity4659 wrote 40xx isn't the double decker series for GNE is it?

If true, they could just re-number them in the fleet.

(02 Sep 2022, 8:51 am)wibblejunior wrote Some interesting movements on buslists.uk lead to six ex Yellow Buses E400 MMC's being added to GNE's fleet list, can anyone confirm if these have actually been acquired by GNE or if this is just someone making false movements again?

Sure they were on that Ensign list you shared yesterday.
There were definitely some on there.

(02 Sep 2022, 9:20 am)omnicity4659 wrote 40xx isn't the double decker series for GNE is it?

It's their Yellow Buses fleet numbers.

(02 Sep 2022, 9:31 am)Jimmi wrote It's their Yellow Buses fleet numbers.

Apologies, didn't realise that YB had updated their numbering. They were three digits the last time I checked haha

Looking at the Email I got from Ensign for their sales for July / August there is no signs of the Yellow Buses E400MMCs on there. Quite possible they went back to their leaser rather than to Ensign.

At the end of the day, I rather wait for information from a reliable source. Not some fleetlist where any Tom, Dick or Barry can update to whatever they fantasize.

Go North East 6196 / YX08 FWH by kieron mathews, on Flickr

6196 on the 643 today


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Go North East 6186 / MX07 BSO by kieron mathews, on Flickr

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Thought I do an update since I now have the details for all the ADL Enviro 400s.

6183 - MX07BRF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6184 - MX07BRV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6185 - MX07BRZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6186 - MX07BSO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6187 - MX07BSU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6188 - MX07BSV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6189 - MX07BUE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6190 - MX07BUU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6191 - MX07BUV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6192 - MX57FDZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6193 - YX08FWE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6194 - YX08FWF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6195 - YX08FWG - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6196 - YX08FWH - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6197 -
6198 -
6199 - LK59FDO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6200 -
6201 -
6202 -
6203 -
6204 - LK59CYP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6205 -
6206 -
6207 -
6208 -
6209 -
6210 -
6211 -
6212 -
6213 -
6214 -
6215 -
6216 -
6217 -
6218 -
6219 -
6220 -
6221 -
6222 -
6223 -
6224 -
6225 - LX59DDJ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6226 - LX60DXM - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6227 - LX60DXO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6228 - LX60DXP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6229 - LX60DXR - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6230 - LX60DXS - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6231 - LX60DXT - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6944 - LX57CHZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6945 - LX57CJE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6946 - LX57CKF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6947 - LX57CKG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6948 - LX57CLY - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6949 - LX08EBU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6950 - LX08EBV - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6951 - LX08EBZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6952 - LX08ECA - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6953 - LX08ECC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6954 - LX09FAJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6955 - LX09FAK - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6956 - LX09FAM - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6957 - LX09FAO - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6958 - LX09FAU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6959 - SN60BZB - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6960 - SN60BZC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6961 - SN60BZD - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6962 - SN60BZE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6963 - SN60BZF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6964 - SN60BZG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6965 - SN60BZH - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6966 - SN60BZJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6967 - LX06FKN - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London

On loan from EYMS.
9039 - YX05EOO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9040 - YX55DHJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9041 - YX06CXJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9042 - YX06CXK - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9043 - YX06CXL - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9044 - YX06CXM - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9045 - YX06CXN - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9046 - YX06CXO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1

Please let me know of any updates or errors. Ta

Wonder what will get the pleasure of being the nicest bus in the fleet - 6969

What model of bus will take 6197-6224?

Are they the Ex-London G2s?

Yes they are expected to be ex GAL Gemini 2s.

So that’s around 35 conversions to single door they’re paying for. I wonder why they don’t just leave them as is like the e400s.

Easier to resell if they are single door.

Presumably compared to the rest of the costs associated with acquiring vehicles from London (ie. LED destination blinds, painting, NSA), the extra cost of converting to single door and gaining an extra 4 seats is fairly negligible, and probably easy to recoup should they wish to sell them on

The single door conversions - does the emergency exit make a difference? The ex-London E400s don't have an offside emergency exit.

Yes, they would have to put in an emergency door. I think the conversion on the Wright vehicles are easier then on Enviro 400 due to the window shape. Think some older London Enviro 400s do have emergency doors.

Thanks. I thought I recalled reading something years ago about the type approval regulations changing, and there no longer needing to be a separate emergency door on a duel door bus.

The Spirit of London E400 has an emergency door https://flic.kr/p/bB5dUL

Looks like many of GAL and Arriva London's do as well. https://flic.kr/p/riJvpU https://flic.kr/p/2anhjMq https://flic.kr/p/2jEJfak
https://flic.kr/p/2jnBQVj
https://flic.kr/p/2nom8Wa
https://flic.kr/p/2mmFX7f
https://flic.kr/p/21weCbE
https://flic.kr/p/oBoEJB https://flic.kr/p/2itSBWU https://flic.kr/p/29VnbXh https://flic.kr/p/RSYdir

(12 Sep 2022, 12:04 pm)Chris 1 wrote Thanks.  I thought I recalled reading something years ago about the type approval regulations changing, and there no longer needing to be a separate emergency door on a duel door bus.

It's interesting that.

Looking at it, I'd assume the emergency door being on the opposite side to the entrance/exit was incase of a collision to the side of the vehicle, if it was balanced on a cliff edge or if it toppled over on to its side for example.
Basically ensuring that there was always an escape route. 

That's not going to always be the case on a dual-door vehicle and may need the use of the tungsten hammer to escape.

(11 Sep 2022, 11:17 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Thought I do an update since I now have the details for all the ADL Enviro 400s.

6183 - MX07BRF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6184 - MX07BRV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6185 - MX07BRZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6186 - MX07BSO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6187 - MX07BSU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6188 - MX07BSV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6189 - MX07BUE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6190 - MX07BUU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6191 - MX07BUV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6192 - MX57FDZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6193 - YX08FWE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6194 - YX08FWF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6195 - YX08FWG - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6196 - YX08FWH - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6197 -
6198 -
6199 - LK59FDO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6200 -
6201 -
6202 -
6203 -
6204 - LK59CYP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6205 -
6206 -
6207 -
6208 -
6209 -
6210 -
6211 -
6212 -
6213 -
6214 -
6215 -
6216 -
6217 -
6218 -
6219 -
6220 -
6221 -
6222 -
6223 -
6224 -
6225 - LX59DDJ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6226 - LX60DXM - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6227 - LX60DXO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6228 - LX60DXP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6229 - LX60DXR - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6230 - LX60DXS - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6231 - LX60DXT - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6944 - LX57CHZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6945 - LX57CJE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6946 - LX57CKF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6947 - LX57CKG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6948 - LX57CLY - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6949 - LX08EBU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6950 - LX08EBV - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6951 - LX08EBZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6952 - LX08ECA - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6953 - LX08ECC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6954 - LX09FAJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6955 - LX09FAK - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6956 - LX09FAM - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6957 - LX09FAO - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6958 - LX09FAU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6959 - SN60BZB - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6960 - SN60BZC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6961 - SN60BZD - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6962 - SN60BZE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6963 - SN60BZF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6964 - SN60BZG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6965 - SN60BZH - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6966 - SN60BZJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6967 - LX06FKN - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London

On loan from EYMS.
9039 - YX05EOO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9040 - YX55DHJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9041 - YX06CXJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9042 - YX06CXK - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9043 - YX06CXL - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9044 - YX06CXM - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9045 - YX06CXN - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9046 - YX06CXO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1

Please let me know of any updates or errors. Ta

LK59CYP is LX59CYP (WVL276)

Have a feeling the B9's are going to be coming from WVL 278, 280, 297, 307 - 312, 314 - 331. WVL276 (LX59CYP) and WVL332 (LX59DDJ) are already here and the current buses so far have been numbered and they fill the gaps in alphabetical order, they've all been withdrawn from London duties.

(12 Sep 2022, 12:19 pm)wibblejunior wrote The Spirit of London E400 has an emergency door https://flic.kr/p/bB5dUL

Looks like many of GAL and Arriva London's do as well. https://flic.kr/p/riJvpU https://flic.kr/p/2anhjMq https://flic.kr/p/2jEJfak
https://flic.kr/p/2jnBQVj
https://flic.kr/p/2nom8Wa
https://flic.kr/p/2mmFX7f
https://flic.kr/p/21weCbE
https://flic.kr/p/oBoEJB https://flic.kr/p/2itSBWU https://flic.kr/p/29VnbXh https://flic.kr/p/RSYdir

Yeah, was after a certain date. 2011 maybe? I can't remember the exact changes, but I'm sure there was something like side marker lights and bumpers included as well.

Is this not where the designation of E40D (or indeed E20D) came in?

Regarding the possible removal of the centre doors, a point that needs to be remembered is that on the E400's, the wheelchair ramp is on the centre door, like it was on the 02 reg Volvo B7TL/East Lancs that were used on the Pink Angel a few years ago. This would prevent the removal of the doors. The design of the Wright Gemini 2 may be different, allowing the removal of the door.

(12 Sep 2022, 12:55 pm)a718abb wrote Regarding the possible removal of the centre doors, a point that needs to be remembered is that on the E400's, the wheelchair ramp is on the centre door, like it was on the 02 reg Volvo B7TL/East Lancs that were used on the Pink Angel a few years ago. This would prevent the removal of the doors. The design of the Wright Gemini 2 may be different, allowing the removal of the door.

I think the ramp is on the middle door on all London bus types these days.  Could be wrong mind.

(12 Sep 2022, 12:47 pm)Chris 1 wrote Yeah, was after a certain date. 2011 maybe? I can't remember the exact changes, but I'm sure there was something like side marker lights and bumpers included as well.

Is this not where the designation of E40D (or indeed E20D) came in?

The bumper thing would've likely been number plates weren't allowed to be behind glass anymore / has to be lit up and the side marker lights. Believe it was the same time legally the fire exit door had to be on the same level as the entrance on single deckers, the reason it's in the middle now vs being at the back.

It would've been 2010/11 as Arriva's early Pulsars and Geminis don't have side markers and the Pulsars number plates were moved from behind glass to at the bottom. See below the minor changes:

Before: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...0514194915
After: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisbell50000/8162047777

There is a simple reason the E400 haven't been converted.... Yet?

They are beneficial for quicker loading and unloading which is handy for work like this and especially with the tight turnaround time at South Shields.

The other reason is that they wouldn't have had time to do the conversion before the contract started. They could well be done at a later date.

(12 Sep 2022, 1:11 pm)Chris 1 wrote I think the ramp is on the middle door on all London bus types these days.  Could be wrong mind.

I agree. You have to take into consideration the position of the raised kerb at bus stops are not in a position for centre door ramps.

(12 Sep 2022, 3:08 pm)Retro Nero wrote I agree. You have to take into consideration the position of the raised kerb at bus stops are not in a position for centre door ramps.

Raised kerbs aren’t required for ramp operation surely. They manage in London.

(12 Sep 2022, 3:17 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Raised kerbs aren’t required for ramp operation surely. They manage in London.

Bus stations are the issue in the North East in particular Haymarket and Eldon Square as the middle door is behind the no go barrier so they couldn't get on at all.