(15 Feb 2022, 1:08 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote New Services for South Tyneside


Idea Four
Service Number: 86
Start Point: Whiteleas Shops
End Point: South Shields Interchange
Via: Ridgeway, Harton Nook, Quarry Lane, Lake Avenue, Marsden, Pier Head & The Lawe
Frequency: Up to Every 30 Mins
Map Route: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Whiteleas+Shops,+South+Shields/South+Shields+NE33+1PQ/@54.982516,-1.465221,8925m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m39!4m38!1m30!1m1!1s0x487e6f672882cb8f:0xaaa50e8692ea5e6c!2m2!1d-1.431125!2d54.958981!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4140116!2d54.9628887!3s0x487e6f500c6635fb:0x53cecde64ebd9d0f!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4130509!2d54.9717821!3s0x487e6f48f32e0441:0x26dad1fe93dcc00a!3m4!1m2!1d-1.3998364!2d54.9705478!3s0x487e68b4b2759159:0x6716ae450ccd1d86!3m4!1m2!1d-1.3869154!2d54.9754078!3s0x487e68b8079cb013:0x201ce254f632cf8b!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4301718!2d55.0057113!3s0x487e6edd7b724c47:0x6503704a9a820269!1m5!1m1!1s0x487e6ee04988b861:0x52ca00d9d0a6eef4!2m2!1d-1.4325692!2d54.9976372!3e0

You do realise you've routed your suggestion down a back lane, don't you?

(15 Feb 2022, 8:58 pm)MurdnunoC wrote You do realise you've routed your suggestion down a back lane, don't you?

Oops, didnt notice that i just wanted to serve The Lawe. Do the maps work?

Following on from my South Tyneside posts yesterday, I've tried to make the routing a bit clearer.

(16 Feb 2022, 1:56 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Following on from my South Tyneside posts yesterday, I've tried to make the routing a bit clearer.

You aren't going to get a bus down Green's Place either.

(16 Feb 2022, 2:18 pm)Adrian wrote You aren't going to get a bus down Green's Place either.

Which way does the 516 go, it'll just follow that.

(16 Feb 2022, 2:47 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Which way does the 516 go, it'll just follow that.

via Fort Street and Baring Street, I believe.

I think anyone living further up has to walk down an alley.

(16 Feb 2022, 1:56 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Following on from my South Tyneside posts yesterday, I've tried to make the routing a bit clearer.

Just a thought which is borne out of my major bugbear at the moment and relates to the current network as much as your proposed routes.

How many of those routes go near the major employers within South Tyneside at the times and days the employees are heading back and forth?

(16 Feb 2022, 3:17 pm)Andreos1 wrote Just a thought which is borne out of my major bugbear at the moment and relates to the current network as much as your proposed routes.

How many of those routes go near the major employers within South Tyneside at the times and days the employees are heading back and forth?

Do you want a List:

Port of Tyne 
Bede Industrial Estate 
Simonside Industrial Estate 
South Shields Town Centre 
Jarrow Town Centre 
Monkton Business Park (from Mill Lane)
South Tyneside Hospital 
South Tyneside College 
Customs House 
Shields Ferry
All Businesses Around Ocean Road & Pier Head 
Quite a Few Schools inc Mortimer School, Jarrow School, Keelmans Way, etc...

Not sure whether this belongs in the stagecoach or arriva suggestions thread, so its going in here.

Route Number: 80
Start Point: Ridley Arms, Stannington
End Point: Newgate Street, Newcastle
Via: Blagdon, Horton Grange, Dinnington, Prestwick, Airport (Terminal Entrance), Bank Foot, Kingston Park, Ponteland Road, Cowgate & Clayton Street West.
Frequency: 5 Journeys in Each Direction.
Allocated Vehicle: Solo SR M920

(25 Feb 2022, 10:34 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Not sure whether this belongs in the stagecoach or arriva suggestions thread, so its going in here.

Route Number: 80
Start Point: Ridley Arms, Stannington
End Point: Newgate Street, Newcastle
Via: Blagdon, Horton Grange, Dinnington, Prestwick, Airport (Terminal Entrance), Bank Foot, Kingston Park, Ponteland Road, Cowgate & Clayton Street West.
Frequency: 5 Journeys in Each Direction.
Allocated Vehicle: Solo SR M920

Extend it to Morpeth via Stannington Station, Hepscott Park and Stobhill and you'd have a decent service. Although it may be best placed in the Haymarket or Eldon Square rather than Clayton Street.

A few new suggestions, some a bit of a punt:

New Service 3[b] (Up to Every 20 Mins):[/b] Heworth, Ellen Wilknson Estate, Lingey Lane, Usworth, Concord, The Galleries, Lambton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Portobello, Birtley, Lansbury Drive, Lamsley, Team Valley. (Would replace GNE 82 between Birtley & Washington)

Existing Service 4: Unchanged

New Services 5 & 5A[b] (Up to Every 15 Mins): [/b]Coach Road Estate, Donwell (Bus Link), Concord, London Avenue (5A), B&Q (5), Blackfell, Oxclose, The Galleries, Glebe, Fatfield, Penshaw, Shiney Row, Barnwell 

New Services 6 & 6A[b] (Up to Every 15 Mins): [/b]
Concord, Peel Retail Park, Barmston, Brady Square (6), Biddick (6), Washington Village (6A), Glebe (6A), The Galleries, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Harraton, Rickleton

New Service 7 (Up to Every 30 Mins): See Attachment (Would replace 82 between Galleries & Waterview Park, another service would serve Washington Village)

For the Consett/CLS allocations, I'd go:

E400 (6338-51)
- 3x Consett X30/X31
- 2x Consett Spare
- 9x CLS X21

SD G2 (6331-33)
- 3x CLS (spare or extras for 21 if needed?)

B5TL (6308-14 & 6334-35)
- 7x Consett X45/X71/X72
- 2x Consett* X45/X71/X72

*Ex-dealer stock, 6338-39 allocated instead if not needed on X30/X31

SD G3 - 7x freed up for other use

(17 May 2022, 10:05 am)L469 YVK wrote For the Consett/CLS allocations, I'd go:

E400 (6338-51)
- 3x Consett X30/X31
- 2x Consett Spare
- 9x CLS X21

SD G2 (6331-33)
- 3x CLS (spare or extras for 21 if needed?)

B5TL (6308-14 & 6334-35)
- 7x Consett X45/X71/X72
- 2x Consett* X45/X71/X72

*Ex-dealer stock, 6338-39 allocated instead if not needed on X30/X31

SD G3 - 7x freed up for other use

I would create a new express service between Newcastle, Washington Galleries, CLS, Durham & Bowburn Amazon. Maybe allocate some of the streetdecks to that.

(17 May 2022, 12:34 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote I would create a new express service between Newcastle, Washington Galleries, CLS, Durham & Bowburn Amazon. Maybe allocate some of the streetdecks to that.

Isn’t there already a high freq bus service from Newcastle to Washington galleries, and a half hourly bus service from Washington galleries to Durham via Chester-le-street, and a bus service between Durham and bowburn on Arriva service 56/57/x12, wouldn’t your suggestion copy these existing routes?

Where would the drivers come from as well, as GNE are short on drivers.


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(17 May 2022, 1:56 pm)cbma06 wrote Isn’t there already a high freq bus service from Newcastle to Washington galleries, and a half hourly bus service from Washington galleries to Durham via Chester-le-street, and a bus service between Durham and bowburn on Arriva service 56/57/x12, wouldn’t your suggestion copy these existing routes?

Where would the drivers come from as well, as GNE are short on drivers.


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After these changes they won’t be

(17 May 2022, 3:52 pm)Unber43 wrote After these changes they won’t be

These are only “proposed” changes and not set in stone, just that GNE can’t be bothered to run them commercially and want the tax payer to fund them


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(17 May 2022, 3:52 pm)Unber43 wrote After these changes they won’t be

There still be short of drivers after if any services gets reduced , adding more bus services and routes is still going to put back the drivers situation back to square one with lists of cancellations for the following day


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(17 May 2022, 4:04 pm)cbma06 wrote These are only “proposed” changes and not set in stone, just that GNE can’t be bothered to run them commercially and want the tax payer to fund them


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Would increasing the 50 to every 20 mins be enough to cover losing both the 82 & 84 through Lambton, Ayton, Harraton & Rickleton.

(17 May 2022, 4:12 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Would increasing the 50 to every 20 mins be enough to cover losing both the 82 & 84 through Lambton, Ayton, Harraton & Rickleton.

You could run it down to Bowburn Amazon if there is enough layover time.

I think the 50 should run standalone. 

The 24/25(new 5) /26 South Shields Rider (which 26 & 5 being redone) 

With the 24 being every 15 mins, 1 can go onto the 26, another one the 5

New Express Route Idea :

Same as ANE X12 (Newcastle - Harlow Green), Extra stop for Angel of The North
Via A1 to Washington Galleries
Via A1231 & A19 to Dalton Park.
Via Cold Helesdon, Easington Village & Essington Way to Peterlee (All Stops)
Via A19 to Wolviston Interchange
Via Wolviston Road & Roseberry Road to Billingham (All Stops)
Same as SNE Tees 34 (Billingham Town Centre - Newport Bridge - Middlesbrough (All Stops)

Journey Times:
NCL - Washington: Approx 30-35 Mins (Similar to GNE X1)
NCL - Peterlee: Approx 60-65 Mins (Similar to GNE X10)
Peterlee - Mboro: Approx 45-50 Mins (Similar to GNE X10)
NCL - Mboro: Approx 1hr 45 Mins (Similar to GNE X10)

A few fictional services I've had in mind are:

219: Peterlee Bus Station - Shotton Colliery - Wingate King's Road - Vicarage Estate - Station Town - Hutton Henry - A19 - Wolviston - Billingham - Norton High Street - Norton Road - Stockton High Street - B6541 - Middlesbrough Bus Station
Basically similar to the old 211 route (https://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/...st2009.pdf) but additionally stopping in Shotton Colliery, Hutton Henry (in both directions) and Stockton.

X90 (coach service) - Darlington - Newton Aycliffe - Rushyford - A689 - A1(M) - Bowburn - Shincliffe - Durham University - Durham City Centre - Framwellgate Moor - Chester-le-Street - A1 - A184 - Newcastle Coach Station
Basically gives Darlington and Newton Aycliffe a direct bus link to Newcastle. The number comes from the service from Darlington to Newcastle previously run by Stagecoach (https://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/...st2000.pdf). Would also work as a faster alternative to service 7 between Darlington and Durham, and gives Durham University and Bowburn a direct service to and from Newton Aycliffe and Darlington.

89 - Bishop Auckland - Coundon B6287 - Leeholme - Windsor Terrace - A689 - Rushyford - Chilton - A689 - Bradbury - Sedgefield - A689 - Wynyard The Meadows - Wynyard Wood - The Wynd - Wellington Drive - Wolviston - Billingham - Marsh House Avenue - A689 - Greatham - A689 - B1277 - Hartlepool Victoria Road - Hartlepool Marina
Gives Chilton and Sedgefield a more frequent, more direct link to Bishop Auckland. Also gives Sedgefield a link to Billingham and Hartlepool, and gives a link to Wynyard and Wolviston, which do not currently have a regular bus service. The route number "89" is derived from the A689, and is a separate service from the existing 89 from Bishop Auckland to Escomb.

(06 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm)wibblejunior wrote A few fictional services I've had in mind are:

219: Peterlee Bus Station - Shotton Colliery - Wingate King's Road - Vicarage Estate - Station Town - Hutton Henry - A19 - Wolviston - Billingham - Norton High Street - Norton Road - Stockton High Street - B6541 - Middlesbrough Bus Station
Basically similar to the old 211 route (https://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/...st2009.pdf) but additionally stopping in Shotton Colliery, Hutton Henry (in both directions) and Stockton.

X90 (coach service) - Darlington - Newton Aycliffe - Rushyford - A689 - A1(M) - Bowburn - Shincliffe - Durham University - Durham City Centre - Framwellgate Moor - Chester-le-Street - A1 - A184 - Newcastle Coach Station
Basically gives Darlington and Newton Aycliffe a direct bus link to Newcastle. The number comes from the service from Darlington to Newcastle previously run by Stagecoach (https://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/...st2000.pdf). Would also work as a faster alternative to service 7 between Darlington and Durham, and gives Durham University and Bowburn a direct service to and from Newton Aycliffe and Darlington.

89 - Bishop Auckland - Coundon B6287 - Leeholme - Windsor Terrace - A689 - Rushyford - Chilton - A689 - Bradbury - Sedgefield - A689 - Wynyard The Meadows - Wynyard Wood - The Wynd - Wellington Drive - Wolviston - Billingham - Marsh House Avenue - A689 - Greatham - A689 - B1277 - Hartlepool Victoria Road - Hartlepool Marina
Gives Chilton and Sedgefield a more frequent, more direct link to Bishop Auckland. Also gives Sedgefield a link to Billingham and Hartlepool, and gives a link to Wynyard and Wolviston, which do not currently have a regular bus service. The route number "89" is derived from the A689, and is a separate service from the existing 89 from Bishop Auckland to Escomb.

So your 219 is basically the x9 route , which in turn was the 211 route when there purchased ok travel, running both directions in Hutton Henry won’t work as the bus can’t get over the island to go southbound on a19 due to a19 traffic, this is why buses were pulled off going eastbound at Hutton Henry, GNE didn’t favour the new x9 via 211 route through wingate as it will add too much timing issues will occur, since the x10 covers the x9 route through billingham etc, there’s no need for the 219 route, there’s little or no demand at present to extend the freq , also bus companies are presently and in nearest future services will be getting reduced to cover the high running costs, bus companies are businesses and if there start losing profits then services will be getting reduced and getting the taxpayers to fund the services.


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New 101: Clara Vale - Crawcrook - Ryton Village - Ryton - Stargate - Blaydon - Swalwell - Dunston - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 102: High Spen - Barlow - Winlaton - Hole In The Wall - Blaydon - Swalwell - Dunston - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 103: Rowlands Gill - Sherburn Towers - Sherburn Park - Winlaton Mill - Winlaton - Parkhead Estate - Blaydon Bank - Blaydon - Scotswood Road - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 104: Chopwell - Coalburns - Rockwood Hill - Folly - Woodside - Greenside - Crawcrook - Ryton - Blaydon - Scotswood Road - Newcastle (Hourly)

Reasoning
Half Hourly Service Between Blaydon, Swalwell, Dunston & Newcastle on 101 & 102.
Direct Buses from Chopwell, Coalburns, Rockwood Hill, Folly, Woodside, Greenside, Crawcrook & Ryton to Scotswood Road.
Direct Buses from Sherburn Towers, Sherburn Park, Winlaton Mill, Gibside View, Coalburns, Clara Vale, Ryton Village, Stargate, Barlow & Hole In The Wall to Newcastle.
Regular Services to Market Lane & Kingsmeadow School on 101 & 102.
Future Streamlining of R1-R6 Routes.
More Seats Compared to R1, R3/R4 & R6.
Less Taxpayers Money Used to Fund Services.
Cheaper Fares Than on Existing R Routes.
Would Bring Wi-Fi, NSA & USB Charging & PAYG Fares to R Routes.

(19 Jun 2022, 10:52 am)ASX_Terranova wrote New 101: Clara Vale - Crawcrook - Ryton Village - Ryton - Stargate - Blaydon - Swalwell - Dunston - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 102: High Spen - Barlow - Winlaton - Hole In The Wall - Blaydon - Swalwell - Dunston - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 103: Rowlands Gill - Sherburn Towers - Sherburn Park - Winlaton Mill - Winlaton - Parkhead Estate - Blaydon Bank - Blaydon - Scotswood Road - Newcastle (Hourly)

New 104: Chopwell - Coalburns - Rockwood Hill - Folly - Woodside - Greenside - Crawcrook - Ryton - Blaydon - Scotswood Road - Newcastle (Hourly)

Reasoning
Half Hourly Service Between Blaydon, Swalwell, Dunston & Newcastle on 101 & 102.
Direct Buses from Chopwell, Coalburns, Rockwood Hill, Folly, Woodside, Greenside, Crawcrook & Ryton to Scotswood Road.
Direct Buses from Sherburn Towers, Sherburn Park, Winlaton Mill, Gibside View, Coalburns, Clara Vale, Ryton Village, Stargate, Barlow & Hole In The Wall to Newcastle.
Regular Services to Market Lane & Kingsmeadow School on 101 & 102.
Future Streamlining of R1-R6 Routes.
More Seats Compared to R1, R3/R4 & R6.
Less Taxpayers Money Used to Fund Services.
Cheaper Fares Than on Existing R Routes.
Would Bring Wi-Fi, NSA & USB Charging & PAYG Fares to R Routes.

Here are the jazzy timetables for the 101, 102 & 103, i have chosen also to revive the spirit buses name.

New Service 550:
South Shields, Chichester, Westoe, Horsley Hill, Harton Village, Ridgeway, Cleadon, East Boldon, Boldon ASDA, Wardley, Heworth

Route: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Corona...951851!3e0

Vehicle Allocation: Optare Solo SR M920 or Mellor Strata Ultra (See Picture for Corporate Livery Colour Scheme)

I have a couple of service suggestions for routes in rural Northumberland:

New Service 423: Morpeth Rail Station to Wallington Hall Via Morpeth Bus Station - Morpeth Rugby Club - Mitford - Dyke Neuk - Hartburn - Scots Gap - Cambo - Wallington Hall
7 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...4a!1m0!3e0

New Service 424: Morpeth Rail Station - Elsdon Via Morpeth Bus Station - Lancaster Park Terminus - Northgate Hospital - Pigdon - Netherwhitton - Rothley - Scots Gap - Cambo - Otterburn - Elsdon
4 Return trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...231059!3e0

New Service 425: Morpeth Bus Station - Hexham Via Morpeth Rail Station - Pharmaceutical Factory - Whalton - Belsay - Matfen - Corbridge - Hexham (The old 873 or something similar)
4 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.168...703211!3e0

New service 426: Morpeth Rail Station - Newcastle Via Morpeth Bus Station - Morpeth Rugby Club - Mitford - Dyke Neuk - Bolam Lake - Belsay - Ponteland - Airport - Kingston Park - Cowgate - Newcastle
4 Return trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.168...976963!3e0

New Service 427: Morpeth Rail station to Ashington Via Pegswood - Bothal - Ashington
2 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat (This is only really meant to provide service to Bothal)
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...183979!3e0

New Service 428: Morpeth to Ashington Via Pegswood - Longhirst - Longhirst Station - Linton Colliery - Ellington - Lynemouth - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station
7 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Morpet...183979!3e0

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Driving times stated by google are not accurate to how long the bus will take
Oh and I forgot to add that these services will probably never happen and are just some thoughts I have had for a while

(11 Sep 2022, 5:23 pm)NEbushopper wrote I have a couple of service suggestions for routes in rural Northumberland:

New Service 423: Morpeth Rail Station to Wallington Hall Via Morpeth Bus Station - Morpeth Rugby Club - Mitford - Dyke Neuk - Hartburn - Scots Gap -  Cambo - Wallington Hall
7 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...4a!1m0!3e0

New Service 424: Morpeth Rail Station - Otterburn Via Morpeth Bus Station - Lancaster Park Terminus - Northgate Hospital - Pigdon - Netherwhitton - Rothley - Scots Gap - Cambo - Elsdon - Otterburn
4 Return trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...231059!3e0

New Service 425: Morpeth Bus Station - Hexham Via Morpeth Rail Station - Pharmaceutical Factory - Whalton - Belsay - Matfen - Corbridge - Hexham (The old 873 or something similar)
4 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.168...703211!3e0

New service 426: Morpeth Rail Station - Newcastle Via Morpeth Bus Station - Morpeth Rugby Club - Mitford - Dyke Neuk  - Bolam Lake - Belsay - Ponteland - Airport - Kingston Park - Cowgate - Newcastle 
4 Return trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.168...976963!3e0

New Service 427: Morpeth Rail station to Ashington Via Pegswood - Bothal - Ashington
2 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat (This is only really meant to provide service to Bothal)
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/55.162...183979!3e0

New Service 428: Morpeth to Ashington Via Pegswood - Longhirst - Longhirst Station - Linton Colliery - Ellington - Lynemouth - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington Bus Station
7 Return Trips a day Mon - Sat
Vehicle: Optare solo M920 SR
Route on Google Maps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Morpet...183979!3e0

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Driving times stated by google are not accurate to how long the bus will take
Oh and I forgot to add that these services will probably never happen and are just some thoughts I have had for a while

I feel like the 427/428 would be better as loops.

Yeah I was thinking that it might work better like this

Service 427: Morpeth Rail station - Morpeth Bus Station - Pegswood - Longhirst - Longhirst Station - Linton Colliery - Ellington - Lynemouth - Woodhorn - Wansbeck Hospital - Ashington - Bothal - Pegswood - Morpeth Bus Stattion - Morpeth Rail Station
7 Return trips a day Mon - Sat

Service 428: Morpeth Rail Station - Morpeth Bus station - Pegswood - Bothal - Ashington - Wansbeck Hospital - Woodhorn - Lynemouth - Ellington - Linton Colliery - Longhirst Station - Longhirst - Pegswood - Morpeth Bus Station - Morpeth Rail station
7 Return trips a day Mon - Sat

I am open up to further suggestions as well

Bothal is easy enough to serve as part of a 35 variation. Several 35s have diverted through there and up the bank recently during A197 closures.

I believe Cresswell, Ellington, Lynemouth and Linton already have a minibus service to Morpeth on market days.

I think It would be easy to serve Bothal with a varation of the 35 at a reduced frequency.

And as for the minibus I have not heard of such a service. I am not doubting such service exits, But is there a timetable available.

(13 Sep 2022, 5:28 am)NEbushopper wrote I think It would be easy to serve Bothal with a varation of the 35 at a reduced frequency.

And as for the minibus I have not heard of such a service. I am not doubting such service exits, But is there a timetable available.

The minibus was operated by WATBus on the behalf of CELL Big Local, who also provided funding to extend the Sunday service on the 1 to Lynemouth, Cresswell and Ellington.

I've checked and the service ended in December 2018.