(11 Oct 2022, 11:03 am)Rob44 wrote this isnt unique to GCT either though. had both arriva and GNE happen to me a million times ( no im not exaggerating)

In my experience its one of 3 things 

- The Bus is quite late and their is one behind
- The bus is full 
- They just forgot to change the display.

Nice to see that Arriva bothered to check the timetables before releasing them on their website for the Newcastle changes.

The 43, 44, 45, 51, 52 and 53 timetables are all very wrong. The right timetables are on Traveline now though for anyone who actually needs them.

5 minutes turnaround for the 308 in Blyth?

I hope that will involve sending out a fresh bus & driver otherwise interworking with the 306 will be chaos!

(11 Oct 2022, 6:14 pm)L469 YVK wrote 5 minutes turnaround for the 308 in Blyth?

I hope that will involve sending out a fresh bus & driver otherwise interworking with the 306 will be chaos!

It appears they've moved the longer layover to the other end of the route which kind of makes sense. There's a 10 minute layover at Whitley Bay / Tynemouth now instead of 3/5 minutes now.

What does Arriva class as a child? I'm looking at Arriva regionwide tickets, and they have an adult and a child but it doesn't give an age limit to the child, so I just wanted to ask if any one knows what is the age limit for a child ticket.

(11 Oct 2022, 7:00 pm)nova347 wrote What does Arriva class as a child? I'm looking at Arriva regionwide tickets, and they have an adult and a child but it doesn't give an age limit to the child, so I just wanted to ask if any one knows what is the age limit for a child ticket.

I think it's 16 isn't it?

It was raised to under 16s a few years ago, I remember when they upped it from U14...days before my 16th!

(11 Oct 2022, 7:17 pm)omnicity4659 wrote It was raised to 16 a few years ago.

If I was to get a student Regionwide ticket for 5.60 would they accept a college badge as proof of ID or my provisional or both? And whats the age limit on student Regionwide Day tickets and do you think that just my provisional would be fine?

(11 Oct 2022, 7:18 pm)nova347 wrote If I was to get a student Regionwide ticket for 5.60 would they accept a college badge as proof of ID or my provisional or both? And whats the age limit on student Regionwide Day tickets and do you think that just my provisional would be fine?

Yes, your college's Student ID is proof of entitlement to student fares. Not sure on provisionals.

Student fares are available to anyone post-16 in education according to their website.

(11 Oct 2022, 7:18 pm)nova347 wrote If I was to get a student Regionwide ticket for 5.60 would they accept a college badge as proof of ID or my provisional or both? And whats the age limit on student Regionwide Day tickets and do you think that just my provisional would be fine?

Depending on how old you are, you can possibly get the student day ticket without a college badge. The Arriva student tickets officially are "young persons" tickets, and as such can be bought by anyone with valid student ID OR by anyone under the age of 19.

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/ticket-info/...er-tickets

(11 Oct 2022, 7:18 pm)nova347 wrote If I was to get a student Regionwide ticket for 5.60 would they accept a college badge as proof of ID or my provisional or both? And whats the age limit on student Regionwide Day tickets and do you think that just my provisional would be fine?

I don't know whether things have changed, haven't bought one for awhile but I'm not sure where you're getting on but if it's Northumbria be careful you don't get the wrong tickets (there's a Northumbria triple ticket aswell and I believe a Durham one aswell) also if it's the Durham depots be prepared to not have a clue what your talking about.

Also not sure if they ever fixed it but they used to be all over the place but they used to be either YP [Ticket Type] or ST [Ticket Type] but not both to even make it more complicated so some were under young persons and the other under student which complicated someone from Stockton who didn't have a clue what a Blyth and Tyne ticket was anyway (one of the Northumbria ones) believe that one was YP.

Your college badge is fine though.

One thing I wish for when it comes to Arriva is single tickets, like I know lots of people who go to East Durham College who use Arriva and when they don't have their lanyard to get to college and they've been charged, they always get charged different amounts. When travelling on the 22/23 your ticket price depends on the driver. Like my other friend got the 22 from Sunderland to Durham and each time she was charged different amounts.

(11 Oct 2022, 7:22 pm)mb134 wrote Depending on how old you are, you can possibly get the student day ticket without a college badge. The Arriva student tickets officially are "young persons" tickets, and as such can be bought by anyone with valid student ID OR by anyone under the age of 19.

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/ticket-info/...er-tickets

Some of the drivers pretty aggressively seek proof of age, though. We've had run ons with  particular Polish driver who used to do the 22 and 64 hut now appears to be on the 6 rota, since Eldest was about 12.

(11 Oct 2022, 10:49 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Some of the drivers pretty aggressively seek proof of age, though. We've had run ons with  particular Polish driver who used to do the 22 and 64 hut now appears to be on the 6 rota, since Eldest was about 12.

A few months back I had a valid student ID from a course I was sent on, and nobody ever checked it when I was using a ticket bought through the app. In fact, I could probably still just buy a student ticket and never have it questioned.

The only time they properly looked at it was when I bought a regionwide ticket to go down to Catterick

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(11 Oct 2022, 4:35 pm)Storx wrote Nice to see that Arriva bothered to check the timetables before releasing them on their website for the Newcastle changes.

The 43, 44, 45, 51, 52 and 53 timetables are all very wrong. The right timetables are on Traveline now though for anyone who actually needs them.

Judging by the timetables the 51 is essentially going to replace the withdrawn 54 journeys within the 52/53/54 interworking pattern. So the PVR will remain the same (excluding losing a bus for the temporary change to the 53). 

It'll be interesting to see what they have planned for the 55 as part of me thinks if they were gonna withdraw it, why not just go ahead and do it now alongside the 46. Equally, they must be intending to increase it back to every 20 minutes otherwise they wouldn't say it's been revised to 30 minutes because of the driver shortage, they'd just say it's revised like the 54.

(11 Oct 2022, 4:35 pm)Storx wrote Nice to see that Arriva bothered to check the timetables before releasing them on their website for the Newcastle changes.

The 43, 44, 45, 51, 52 and 53 timetables are all very wrong. The right timetables are on Traveline now though for anyone who actually needs them.

Given the website updates are done by the national customer service team based in Luton whereas the raw timetable data is done by the North East Commerical Team who are now based at Stockton depot, issues are likely to crop up especially with how quickly they wanted to upload the new timetables (understand from speaking to the Commerical Member who was responsible for the Teesside and County Durham changes that their rush resulted in the original version of Stockton's 7/7A timetable being dispatched instead of the updated version - the original was prior to the understanding that the extension to Kirklevington was needed 7 days a week, meaning Stockton's Sunday PVR on the Stockton routes remains at 5 as present but 7B board will start 3 hours earlier than it presently does and also remain out for longer as well, finished on the last trip to Willey Flatts from Stockton at 1905 rather than presently finishing in the High Street at 1720).
All are now correct on the website however - although no timetable at present for the 22A.

(12 Oct 2022, 11:32 am)Kuyoyo wrote Given the website updates are done by the national customer service team based in Luton whereas the raw timetable data is done by the North East Commerical Team who are now based at Stockton depot, issues are likely to crop up especially with how quickly they wanted to upload the new timetables (understand from speaking to the Commerical Member who was responsible for the Teesside and County Durham changes that their rush resulted in the original version of Stockton's 7/7A timetable being dispatched instead of the updated version - the original was prior to the understanding that the extension to Kirklevington was needed 7 days a week, meaning Stockton's Sunday PVR on the Stockton routes remains at 5 as present but 7B board will start 3 hours earlier than it presently does and also remain out for longer as well, finished on the last trip to Willey Flatts from Stockton at 1905 rather than presently finishing in the High Street at 1720).
All are now correct on the website however - although no timetable at present for the 22A.

Aye that's fair enough but surely someone would've noticed the seriously wrong timetable in particular for the 43/44/45.

https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...t-2022.pdf - 43 for example.

Not sure where that's even coming from if I had to be honest, seems to be the subsidised services maybe? I know the 52 and 53 are also missing the evening services. There could be some very confused passengers if they read them.

Mind I always thought they were done from a database and automated when you loaded them so learnt something new, similar to how Travelline I believe works.

(12 Oct 2022, 11:56 am)Storx wrote Aye that's fair enough but surely someone would've noticed the seriously wrong timetable in particular for the 43/44/45.

https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...t-2022.pdf - 43 for example.

Not sure where that's even coming from if I had to be honest, seems to be the subsidised services maybe? I know the 52 and 53 are also missing the evening services. There could be some very confused passengers if they read them.

Mind I always thought they were done from a database and automated when you loaded them so learnt something new, similar to how Travelline I believe works.

from what ive heard those are the services ashington are running from the 30th october

(12 Oct 2022, 12:05 pm)Rob44 wrote from what ive heard those are the services ashington are running from the 30th october

No current Jesmond services are transferring to Ashington at the end of this month.

So is it only the 306 leaving on the 30th?

(12 Oct 2022, 4:44 pm)mb134 wrote No current Jesmond services are transferring to Ashington at the end of this month.

I thought some were going there. Others to blyth?

(12 Oct 2022, 11:56 am)Storx wrote Aye that's fair enough but surely someone would've noticed the seriously wrong timetable in particular for the 43/44/45.

https://api.arrivabus.co.uk/routes/servi...t-2022.pdf - 43 for example.

Not sure where that's even coming from if I had to be honest, seems to be the subsidised services maybe? I know the 52 and 53 are also missing the evening services. There could be some very confused passengers if they read them.

Mind I always thought they were done from a database and automated when you loaded them so learnt something new, similar to how Travelline I believe works.

If you plan a journey in the Arriva journey planner, all of the journeys will show.

I believe this issue of missing trips is because the PDFs are generated by the data files.

Ironically, the same data files that traveline use, so the data in the files must be accurate (otherwise traveline wouldn't be able to convert it), just the Arriva website is poor.

(12 Oct 2022, 9:28 pm)Rob44 wrote I thought some were going there. Others to blyth?

They will be, but not at the end of this month.

Timetables are now live

Interesting is that the 54 original said it was going to have a different company operation on evenings & Sundays. This has now been removed and all evenings & Sundays journeys on the 54 are now withdrawn

(13 Oct 2022, 3:48 pm)Aaron21 wrote Timetables are now live

Interesting is that the 54 original said it was going to have a different company operation on evenings & Sundays. This has now been removed and all evenings & Sundays journeys on the 54 are now withdrawn

Might be the local authorities are still trying to secure it and trying to find funds


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(13 Oct 2022, 3:51 pm)cbma06 wrote Might be the local authorities are still trying to secure it and trying to find funds


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Possible but that section on the 54 has gone now

(13 Oct 2022, 3:51 pm)cbma06 wrote Might be the local authorities are still trying to secure it and trying to find funds


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Lets hope Arriva get it if the council are going to support it. 

But GCT would probably yet it (sigh)

(13 Oct 2022, 5:08 pm)Unber43 wrote Lets hope Arriva get it if the council are going to support it. 

But GCT would probably yet it (sigh)

Why should Arriva get it, since Arriva decided not to run it commercially, I wouldn’t like my tax dollar to pay for the service to be ran secured by Arriva, DB needs to bugger off and stop bleeding the uk bus industry dry and using profits on the German infrastructure, and stop using handouts from the uk government, nah wonder why there got a good transport system over there, and our transport gone to crap.


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(13 Oct 2022, 5:14 pm)cbma06 wrote Why should Arriva get it, since Arriva decided not to run it commercially, I wouldn’t like my tax dollar to pay for the service to be ran secured by Arriva, DB needs to bugger off and stop bleeding the uk bus industry dry and using profits on the German infrastructure, and stop using handouts from the uk government, nah wonder why there got a good transport system over there, and our transport gone to crap.


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Isn't Germany's public transport just as bad as ours these days though?

I seriously doubt even a big company like Arriva makes enough profit to allow DB to spend tons of Arriva money on German infrastructure.

Also DB trains aren't great but they're nationalised so ofc they're some form of demi gods where everything runs like clockwork and they get shiny new trains every week to allow the creeky ancient stuff built last week to be scrapped.