(12 Oct 2022, 11:33 pm)Drifter60 wrote It’s not about that. In this case a person living in Penshaw does not want to go into Sunderland City Centre via Chester Road, just to go back out of the city centre on a bus up Durham Road. It’s far far too convoluted and takes too long. And again it’s all about passenger perception, a friend tells me a family member living in South Hetton won’t use the new 61 to Dalton Park or Sunderland as it ‘goes round Murton twice’ instead she goes into Easington to connect with the Arriva, or waits to get a lift of course. The former will probably save no time at all, but it’s soul destroying sitting on a bus you feel is going around the world to get where you want. That 61 route in the devil, I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. 

Having said that, for the same reasons outlined above, sending any sort of Sunderland to Seaham bus via Doxford isn’t the answer either, as that would take far too long for those using the point to point. It would have to be a separate service not at the expense of the 60 or X6 and I’m not sure there’s demand. Seaham link isn’t too bad, as you can change at a Ryhope without the need to go in and back out of the bus station. So from the south isn’t too bad, except of course unless you planned on changing from a 22/23 to a 39 and needing two bus operator tickets, but that’s a conversation for another time!! Back to the level of service, even Houghton to Doxford links have been cut back since the 55 is no longer and the X20 temporary withdrawal. I’m sure peak time 20s used to call in, but that doesn’t seem to happen anymore either. The 39’s are the only option and they can’t be a catch all for everyone/everywhere. 

Also, was posted earlier in this thread that Roker to Doxford work service which takes an hour from end to end is again a great idea but really? An hour bus ride for what’s 20 minutes car journey across the city?

Only a masochist, or someone desparate, would take the 594 from Roker to Doxford (that route could easily be 23 to city centre, then X1), but someone from Town End Farm, Pallion or Pennywell on the other hand...

I've seen it a couple of times and it was full - yes it's a minibus but still.

I do think a Murton/Seaham - Sunderland route that goes via Doxy and the hospital could work, given hospital visiting times in the evening; changing at Park Lane at 8-9pm isn't the most attractive idea.

(12 Oct 2022, 11:31 pm)ALavery wrote Passenger numbers are falling because of the constant faff on they’re having due to cancellations and loss of services. It’s distrust or simply because they have the money not because ‘oh my god i have to change buses here how awful is that’ 

Also note how I said that for a bus from seaham to newcastle which is 16 mile away and a two hour journey, god forbid you have to get the 56 and the demand is there. A bus from seaham to doxford park isn’t needed as you can get a bus to ryhope and a bus from ryhope to doxford with the most faff being crossing a road. It takes me an hour and a change of bus to get to college every morning but you don’t see me yapping about a bus from seaham then taking a mystery tour up durham road.

I agree, those factors will have an impact on passenger numbers.

Except passenger numbers have been falling in general for years. 
We see routes that have existed for years and very little in the way of changes that adapt to changing work habits, new employment sites etc. 
It doesn't take a genius to work out there's some correlation or pattern in that.

As for the X1 link. I didn't realise that was exclusive to Seaham to Newcastle, here's me thinking that different passengers in different areas were the focus. Its not. It's just you that are allowed a direct bus and direct bus you won't use every day.
Whereas those who would love a direct bus every day, aren't allowed one.
Got it.

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(12 Oct 2022, 11:33 pm)Drifter60 wrote It’s not about that. In this case a person living in Penshaw does not want to go into Sunderland City Centre via Chester Road, just to go back out of the city centre on a bus up Durham Road. It’s far far too convoluted and takes too long. And again it’s all about passenger perception, a friend tells me a family member living in South Hetton won’t use the new 61 to Dalton Park or Sunderland as it ‘goes round Murton twice’ instead she goes into Easington to connect with the Arriva, or waits to get a lift of course. The former will probably save no time at all, but it’s soul destroying sitting on a bus you feel is going around the world to get where you want. That 61 route in the devil, I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. 

Having said that, for the same reasons outlined above, sending any sort of Sunderland to Seaham bus via Doxford isn’t the answer either, as that would take far too long for those using the point to point. It would have to be a separate service not at the expense of the 60 or X6 and I’m not sure there’s demand. Seaham link isn’t too bad, as you can change at a Ryhope without the need to go in and back out of the bus station. So from the south isn’t too bad, except of course unless you planned on changing from a 22/23 to a 39 and needing two bus operator tickets, but that’s a conversation for another time!! Back to the level of service, even Houghton to Doxford links have been cut back since the 55 is no longer and the X20 temporary withdrawal. I’m sure peak time 20s used to call in, but that doesn’t seem to happen anymore either. The 39’s are the only option and they can’t be a catch all for everyone/everywhere. 

Also, was posted earlier in this thread that Roker to Doxford work service which takes an hour from end to end is again a great idea but really? An hour bus ride for what’s 20 minutes car journey across the city?

And this is what it's all about. They're given the choice of a 20min walk and a direct bus or a trip heading in the wrong direction.

Penshaw and Doxford Park was just one example. There are many more across the region and it baffles me, that operators ignore these potential gold mines in favour of sticking with the same old (that clearly doesn't work), no matter what colour the bus is painted that particular week.

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(13 Oct 2022, 6:11 am)Storx wrote Couldn't someone from Penshaw walk to Shiney Row and get the 39B it's not that far :s

Mind I don't really get why the 39B is express between there and Washington rather than serving the estates.

Depending where in Penshaw they are, it's a canny hike.
The area I picked (residential area in New Penshaw) is a 20min walk up and down hills from Shiney Row. Assuming they have the time, inclination or ability to do that everyday, it's not the nicest walk.

Or it's a 5min walk down the hill and a 4 to Shiney Row (timing it to connect with a 39b). Same in reverse, but up hill.

In the same time the person has got half way to Shiney, they would have been able to drive there (not get wet or cold) and sit at their desk with a coffee, ready for the day ahead.

So reading through the recent posts I’ve come to the conclusion that if a bus takes a longish route intended to pick up enough passengers and generate revenue it’s bad and unattractive and destined to fail. On the other hand if a bus takes a direct route to suit a handful of passengers it’s bad and unattractive and destined to fail because it’s not generating money.

When you look at it that way there’s no wonder people are switching to cars because they can’t be bothered with the change or 30 minute journey. I guess if you’re not prepared to make the journey you’re not going to.

In my view it got to be one of the hardest things ever to get some one leave their warm, comfortable, quite, non smelly, non dirty, plenty of seats, no school kids etc etc etc car and go back to the bus. What companies need to concentrate on is making bus travel so "seamless" that people without a car dont feel i necessary to strive to get one as the bus service is ( delete as appropriate) non existent, overrun with scoundrels, standing room only as cut from xxxx to yyyy per hour etc etc.

I live 2.9 miles from where i work as the crow flies. If i use the bus now, after all the changes it takes me 45 minutes to get there with 1 change at team vally, 1 hour 45 minutes to get back with one change at gatehsead metro or 1.30mintues to get back with a change at lowfell but this now woudl cost more ££££ ad its a GNE and a GCT buses i'd use. In my new Hybrid car i can do the full route there and back on electric costing me about 20 bob! What would you use????

(13 Oct 2022, 6:47 am)Dan wrote Yes, that seemed to be a suggestion in Andreos’ example - and at that point the difference in journey time is just 9 minutes between bus and car (excluding the walk from Biddick Woods to the stop in Shiney Row, of course - 12 mins in car versus 19 mins on 39B).

So at that point, the comparison is effectively being drawn to having a car on your doorstep and having to walk to a bus stop (because the nearest one mightn’t be served by that bus) - and I just don’t know how this can be overcome as you can’t have a bus from everywhere to everywhere, and for every bus that is diverted you’ll have some qualms that you’re increasing journey times and that’s equally as bad. I see a lot of problems outlined on this forum but not often a solution.

The contract for the 39B (when it was originally tendered as a 37) was for an hourly service that links Tunstall Bank, Doxford Park and Washington Galleries - as Nexus were reducing their spend on some existing services to plug the gaps left by Go North East at the time who withdrew their own commercial services due to low use, I suspect 1 PVR was all Nexus could afford/justify based on passengers per pound of cost.

Right now of course the 39 is running on a reduced frequency and there is lots of layover at The Galleries which wouldn’t normally be there - so currently it could do something (if there was a desire to slow down journey times to open up new links), but if that frequency is reinstated then the links would have to be abolished (or add an extra bus to PVR to allow them to be maintained - and there probably aren’t enough passengers in the area to justify this without abstracting from other services they already travel on).


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Yeah that's fair it's a shame they can't find a way to somehow merge the 39B (or something alternative) and 82 together (curtailed at Birtley). Would provide cross Washington links and it's not exactly far from Columbia to Shiney Row to connect them together.

Would be a much better use of resources and connect more places to Doxford Park (even known I'm not sure there's that much demand mind).

New Services 87/87A (PVR 3)

87: Heworth, Lingey Lane, Barmston Court, Washington Village, Glebe, Sainsbury's Car Park, The Galleries, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Wear Ind Est, Ayton, Crowther Ind Est, Oxclose, The Galleries, Sainsbury's Car Park, Glebe, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Lingey Lane, Heworth (Hourly). 

87A: Heworth, Lingey Lane, Barmston Court, Washington Village, Glebe, Sainsbury's Car Park, The Galleries, Oxclose, Crowther Ind Est, Ayton, Wear Ind Est, Lambton (Cambrian Way), The Galleries, Sainsbury's Car Park, Glebe, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Lingey Lane, Heworth (Hourly).

New Service 88 (PVR 3)

88: Heworth, Lingey Lane, High Usworth (top of Stone Cellar Road) Donwell (Bus Link), Albany (Moorway), The Galleries, Biddick, Fallowfield Way, Fatfield Bridge, Barnwell (The Limes) (Every 30 Mins)

The 87/87A takes 80-85 minutes to do a round trip so would have interwork at heworth. 
The 88 also takes about 80-85 minutes to do a round trip.

A very simple suggestion from me is splitting the Q3 into two routes, Great Park to Newcastle and Newcastle to Wallsend.

It is a complete shambles at the minute (esp for a secured service in part) in terms of reliability - it doesn’t even appear to be mainly down to driver shortages either.

(13 Oct 2022, 5:44 pm)Thomas12 wrote A very simple suggestion from me is splitting the Q3 into two routes, Great Park to Newcastle and Newcastle to Wallsend.

It is a complete shambles at the minute (esp for a secured service in part) in terms of reliability - it doesn’t even appear to be mainly down to driver shortages either.

I used the Q3 yesterday and quite a few people used it for cross-city links.

(13 Oct 2022, 9:10 pm)omnicity4659 wrote I used the Q3 yesterday and quite a few people used it for cross-city links.

Maybe so, but the delays on the service are atrocious.

19- from Percy Main operates as follows Royal Quays, George Stephenson Way, North Shields Ferry Terminal, Fish Quay, then once per hour extends to Whitley Bay via old 11 route
40- current 41 to Howdon Tynemouth Road then Howdon Lane, Bewicke Street, Rosehill Road (Hail and Ride), Tynemouth Road, Churchill Street, Simonside Avenue, Savory Road, Holy Cross-St Peters Road, High Street East 41- reverse of the 40
311- from Hadrian Park continues to Wallsend via Coniston Road, Ridley Avenue, Tynemouth Road, High Street East, Wallsend Interchange
Q3- split into Q1 and Q2

(13 Oct 2022, 9:10 pm)omnicity4659 wrote I used the Q3 yesterday and quite a few people used it for cross-city links.

Like Great Park to Quayside or Great Park to Wallsend/St Peters Basin?

As a user said they are always delayed.

(14 Oct 2022, 6:07 pm)V514DFT wrote 19- from Percy Main operates as follows Royal Quays, George Stephenson Way, North Shields Ferry Terminal, Fish Quay, then once per hour extends to Whitley Bay via old 11 route
40- current 41 to Howdon Tynemouth Road then Howdon Lane, Bewicke Street, Rosehill Road (Hail and Ride), Tynemouth Road, Churchill Street, Simonside Avenue, Savory Road, Holy Cross-St Peters Road, High Street East 41- reverse of the 40
311- from Hadrian Park continues to Wallsend via Coniston Road, Ridley Avenue, Tynemouth Road, High Street East, Wallsend Interchange
Q3- split into Q1 and Q2

If we're meddling around with these services and let's just say Arriva win the 19 and 317 contracts hypothetically as this will work better I'd do:

17: Cramlington -> Dudley Lane -> Fern Drive, 57A to Whitley Bay, 317 to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
18: 57A from Cramlington to Whitley Bay, extended via 317 route to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
19: 57 from Ashington to Cramlington, current route to Percy Main, old route to North Shields via Ferry first. - Every Hour

40 (Loop): 317 from North Shields to Wallsend, 41 from Wallsend to Hadrian Park, 335 from Hadrian Park to North Shields - Every 30 Minutes
41 (Loop): Reverse of above - Every 30 Minutes
40A/41A: Shorts from Wallsend to Hadrian Park via Wiltshire Drive - Every 30 Minutes

341: 335 from Killingworth to Hadrian Park, extended to Howdon via 41/41A loop
342: No Changes

335/57/57A/317 Withdrawn

Would offer a much better services and more links rather than the current horseshoe routes we currently have all over the place with better connectivity to the Fish Quay / Ferry from all over and make some of the connections actually useful, Howdon to Killingworth; Whitley Bay to the ferry; better Silverlink connectivity etc.

(14 Oct 2022, 7:20 pm)Storx wrote If we're meddling around with these services and let's just say Arriva win the 19 and 317 contracts hypothetically as this will work better I'd do:

17: Cramlington -> Dudley Lane -> Fern Drive, 57A to Whitley Bay, 317 to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
18: 57A from Cramlington to Whitley Bay, extended via 317 route to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
19: 57 from Ashington to Cramlington, current route to Percy Main, old route to North Shields via Ferry first. - Every Hour

40 (Loop): 317 from North Shields to Wallsend, 41 from Wallsend to Hadrian Park, 335 from Hadrian Park to North Shields - Every 30 Minutes
41 (Loop): Reverse of above - Every 30 Minutes
40A/41A: Shorts from Wallsend to Hadrian Park via Wiltshire Drive - Every 30 Minutes

341: 335 from Killingworth to Hadrian Park, extended to Howdon via 41/41A loop
342: No Changes

335/57/57A/317 Withdrawn

Would offer a much better services and more links rather than the current horseshoe routes we currently have all over the place with better connectivity to the Fish Quay / Ferry from all over and make some of the connections actually useful, Howdon to Killingworth; Whitley Bay to the ferry; better Silverlink connectivity etc.

Some decent ideas there

(14 Oct 2022, 7:20 pm)Storx wrote If we're meddling around with these services and let's just say Arriva win the 19 and 317 contracts hypothetically as this will work better I'd do:

17: Cramlington -> Dudley Lane -> Fern Drive, 57A to Whitley Bay, 317 to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
18: 57A from Cramlington to Whitley Bay, extended via 317 route to North Shields Ferry - Every Hour
19: 57 from Ashington to Cramlington, current route to Percy Main, old route to North Shields via Ferry first. - Every Hour

40 (Loop): 317 from North Shields to Wallsend, 41 from Wallsend to Hadrian Park, 335 from Hadrian Park to North Shields - Every 30 Minutes
41 (Loop): Reverse of above - Every 30 Minutes
40A/41A: Shorts from Wallsend to Hadrian Park via Wiltshire Drive - Every 30 Minutes

341: 335 from Killingworth to Hadrian Park, extended to Howdon via 41/41A loop
342: No Changes

335/57/57A/317 Withdrawn

Would offer a much better services and more links rather than the current horseshoe routes we currently have all over the place with better connectivity to the Fish Quay / Ferry from all over and make some of the connections actually useful, Howdon to Killingworth; Whitley Bay to the ferry; better Silverlink connectivity etc.

If Arriva so called wins the contracts, there’s nothing there can do with those services, as the timetables and routes are secured by the local authorities, bus companies can’t changed secured bus services, there are secured for a reason as it’s not profitable to be ran by a business who only wants profits, if Arriva wants to take on those secured service routes then there will have to register those routes commercially and then the local authorities can withdraw the contracts, but if the so called new bus service don’t provide the needs when Arriva changes the services then the secured contracts will have to be registered again.

If you just suggesting a change between 2 or 3 contracts then it’s better to contacts the authorities who secured the contract to see if it’s possible


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(15 Oct 2022, 3:03 pm)cbma06 wrote If Arriva so called wins the contracts, there’s nothing there can do with those services, as the timetables and routes are secured by the local authorities, bus companies can’t changed secured bus services, there are secured for a reason as it’s not profitable to be ran by a business who only wants profits, if Arriva wants to take on those secured service routes then there will have to register those routes commercially and then the local authorities can withdraw the contracts, but if the so called new bus service don’t provide the needs when Arriva changes the services then the secured contracts will have to be registered again.

If you just suggesting a change between 2 or 3 contracts then it’s better to contacts the authorities who secured the contract to see if it’s possible


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Could you extend a service and take that part on commerically or not?

(15 Oct 2022, 3:09 pm)Unber43 wrote Could you extend a service and take that part on commerically or not?

I think the relevant bus operator would have to contact the local authority who secured the service, probably would do though


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(15 Oct 2022, 3:03 pm)cbma06 wrote If Arriva so called wins the contracts, there’s nothing there can do with those services, as the timetables and routes are secured by the local authorities, bus companies can’t changed secured bus services, there are secured for a reason as it’s not profitable to be ran by a business who only wants profits, if Arriva wants to take on those secured service routes then there will have to register those routes commercially and then the local authorities can withdraw the contracts, but if the so called new bus service don’t provide the needs when Arriva changes the services then the secured contracts will have to be registered again.

If you just suggesting a change between 2 or 3 contracts then it’s better to contacts the authorities who secured the contract to see if it’s possible


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If this were true, the 39B would only run between Washington and Tunstall Bank, and would be numbered the 37.

I believe LAs devide the route and timetable and in their bid, operators can specify a modified timetable, including extensions (in the above example; extending the 37 to Sunderland City Centre and Pennywell) which I assume they'd commercially take the hit on. I don't think they can change the secured section of the route though.

(15 Oct 2022, 3:22 pm)F114TML wrote If this were true, the 39B would only run between Washington and Tunstall Bank, and would be numbered the 37.

I believe LAs devide the route and timetable and in their bid, operators can specify a modified timetable, including extensions (in the above example; extending the 37 to Sunderland City Centre and Pennywell) which I assume they'd commercially take the hit on. I don't think they can change the secured section of the route though.

GNE did the same when there took the 37 before and it was extended to Sunderland And extended the 38 to Herrington burn then to Houghton, so it was like a half hourly service 37/38 from Sunderland to Herrington Burn via Tunstall Bank then hourly 37 Herrington Burn to Washington , while the 38 turned left at Herrington Burn to Houghton, didn’t last long and then the 37 became it’s own secured service again


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Could the 4 be diverted to Fewster Square, if not should there another Washington - Heworth service (i.e. 87/87A from post #2,586)

(15 Oct 2022, 3:03 pm)cbma06 wrote If Arriva so called wins the contracts, there’s nothing there can do with those services, as the timetables and routes are secured by the local authorities, bus companies can’t changed secured bus services, there are secured for a reason as it’s not profitable to be ran by a business who only wants profits, if Arriva wants to take on those secured service routes then there will have to register those routes commercially and then the local authorities can withdraw the contracts, but if the so called new bus service don’t provide the needs when Arriva changes the services then the secured contracts will have to be registered again.

If you just suggesting a change between 2 or 3 contracts then it’s better to contacts the authorities who secured the contract to see if it’s possible


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It was all just hypothetical, I don't really expect them to happen but with the bus partnerships it would be nice and attempt to do something with the subsidised services to actually make them commercial by working together with local bus companies to see what can happen. The 62 and 39B extensions are much better use of services than short services duplicating routes and offering nothing worthwhile.

The Nexus services are just a mangled mess right now and it doesn't help Nexus are funding the evening services for the others mentioned there (41/41A/57A).

Arguably it's better for everyone, less subsidies if they are successful and better routes for the passengers. There's still the 341 and 342 there for Gateshead Taxis to get their hands on as they'll never be profitable and I'm sure GNE and Arriva wouldn't be against it if it guarantees that Arriva get the 19 which heavily competes against their 57/57A and GNE get the 41/41A in the evening rather the likes of Gateshead Taxis running them and the Wallsend half of the 317 which competes heavily against the 1

(15 Oct 2022, 6:36 pm)Storx wrote It was all just hypothetical, I don't really expect them to happen but with the bus partnerships it would be nice and attempt to do something with the subsidised services to actually make them commercial by working together with local bus companies to see what can happen. The 62 and 39B extensions are much better use of services than short services duplicating routes and offering nothing worthwhile.

The Nexus services are just a mangled mess right now and it doesn't help Nexus are funding the evening services for the others mentioned there (41/41A/57A).

Arguably it's better for everyone, less subsidies if they are successful and better routes for the passengers. There's still the 341 and 342 there for Gateshead Taxis to get their hands on as they'll never be profitable.

They could do this with the 82/82A. I have suggested before that the 82A should be extended from Birtley to Lamesley, Team Valley then as the 91 into Newcastle.

309_310_311_evening suggestion times Oct 2022.pdf (Size 404.36 KB | Downloads 11)

Operational Information
- Arriva's 306 / 308 now re-timed to depart at xx:15 and xx:45. The changes would take advantage of this whilst still offering convenient journey patterns for employees at Cobalt Business Park.

- Evening journeys from Cobalt Park to Newcastle will mostly depart at xx:09 with journeys to Whitley Bay and Blyth departing at xx:31.

- Evening PVR would remain at 4x vehicles later reducing to 3x vehicles.

- Evening PVR reduced to 2x vehicles later on a Sunday evening with 'sensible' cost savings made due to fewer passengers travelling at this time.

- Extra running time added to evening 309 journeys from Blyth to Newcastle, improving reliability.

- Streamlined service from Newcastle to Hadrian Park with more consistent timings.

- Turnaround point in Whitley Bay for later evening 309 journeys changed from Whitley Bay Cemetery to Whitley Bay Town Centre so timings can be accommodated.

309 journeys from Newcastle to Whitley Bay / Blyth - comparison
Monday to Saturday between 18:00 and end of service
* Current = 6x
* New = 6x
Sundays between 17:30 and end of service
* Current = 6x
* New = 4x

310 journeys from Newcastle to Verne Road / North Shields - comparison
Monday to Saturday between 18:00 and end of service
* Current = 8x
* New = 8x
Sundays between 17:30 and end of service
* Current = 8x
* New = 7x

Passenger Information
Service 309:
- Most evening journeys re-timed to provide improved convenience around shift patterns at Cobalt Business Park.

- Later journeys from Newcastle and Cobalt to Blyth during Monday to Saturday evenings until after 2100 with other later journeys from Newcastle and Cobalt to Whitley Bay Town Centre until after 2300.

- Unfortunately due to low usage, the last journey on a Sunday evening from Newcastle to Whitley Bay Town Centre will now depart at 2113.

Service 310:
- Most evening journeys re-timed to provide more convenience for passengers travelling from Newcastle. The last journey from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and Verne Road on Monday to Saturday evenings will depart at a later time of 2343. The last journey from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and Verne Road on Sunday evenings will depart at an earlier time of 2313.

- Unfortunately due to low usage, the section of route from Norham Road North towards Newcastle will be reduced to a two-hourly service on Sundays after 2000. All other sections of route including journeys from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and North Shields will continue to remain hourly on Sunday evenings.

Service 311:
- All journeys from Newcastle to Hadrian Park after 2000 (1900 on Sundays) will be provided by service 310.

I keep tinkering with suggestions for Washington Long Distance & Locals.

New Service 80
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Washington Galleries, Biddick (Parkway), Fallowfield Way, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton Park, Easington Lane.

New Service 80A
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Washington Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel Retail Park, Waterview Park, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord.

New Service 86
Washington Galleries, Glebe, Barmston (Village Centre), Peel Retail Park, Waterview Park, Pallion, Royal Hospital, Sunderland.

New Service 87
Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Village, Blackfell (Knoulberry Road), Oxclose, The Galleries, Biddick, Fallowfield Way, Barnwell. 

New Service 88
Heworth, Wardley, High Usworth, Donwell (Bus Link & London Avenue), Albany (Moorway), The Galleries, Harraton, Rickleton.

New Service 89
Chester-Le-Street, Ayton, Lambton (Village Centre), Washington Galleries, Monkton Lane, Hebburn, Jarrow, Tyne Dock, South Tyneside Hospital, Chichester, South Shields.

I was thinking last night, would there be any sense in doing this
1-revised to operate Gateshead-North Shields
310- revised to operate Newcastle- Whitley Bay via North Shields effectively swapping with the 1

(10 Oct 2022, 2:53 pm)streetdeckfan wrote If I'm going into Newcastle, 99% of the time I'm taking the bus. It's too much of a faff figuring out which roads you're allowed down this week!

Which P&R did you use, we usually use Howlands or Sniperly. Howlands seems to get a lot of use by the students

Sniperly is usually quiet but Belmont is well used. That might change when several hundred new houses get built at Sniperly.

Probably the most interesting idea I've ever done but....

59: Lukes Lane - Monkton Lane - Heworth - Furrowfield Estate - Carr Hill Road - Gateshead Stadium - Baltic - Quayside (Law Courts) - Newcastle.

I was under the impress the NCC said No to any more buses using the swing bridge on the quay side? Was a while back so thing might have changed since then

(04 Nov 2022, 8:30 am)Rob44 wrote I was under the impress the NCC said No to any more buses using the swing bridge on the quay side?  Was a while back so thing might have changed since then

It's the right decision if so aswell. No buses should be going along Dean Street and Grey Street imo they should be both pedestrianised. 

Thw 53/54 should go along the Quayside and work there way up via the Law Courts and the Q3 should go up Forth Banks and via Central Station imo.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Swing Bridge had a weight restriction put on it soon. It's sank quite a lot within the past year.

Not sure how people would feel about this,

X5 - Durham - Devels Lane - Consett - Shotley Bridge 

X15 - Durham - Devels Lane - Consett - Castleside

47 - Newcastle - Metrocentre - Blackhall Mill - Consett - Shotley Bridge 

47 - Newcastle - Metrocentre - Blackhall Mill - Consett - Castleside

It would give Shotley Bridge/Castleside half hourly services to Durham & Newcastle, and there would be every 30 mins services from Consett to either Castleside/Shotley Bridge