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Aaron21



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07 Dec 2022, 12:42 am #801
I think nexus need to rethink upgrading the 18 (Benton to Walker) to deckers. As been on it a lot recently and there seems no need for the route to be decekrs.

The route was fine as Single deckers and should go back to it. Them 3 decekrs could go to routes that badly suffer with Single deck (22 being one of them)
Aaron21
07 Dec 2022, 12:42 am #801

I think nexus need to rethink upgrading the 18 (Benton to Walker) to deckers. As been on it a lot recently and there seems no need for the route to be decekrs.

The route was fine as Single deckers and should go back to it. Them 3 decekrs could go to routes that badly suffer with Single deck (22 being one of them)

Dan

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18,128
07 Dec 2022, 4:40 am #802
(07 Dec 2022, 12:42 am)Aaron21 I think nexus need to rethink upgrading the 18 (Benton to Walker) to deckers. As been on it a lot recently and there seems no need for the route to be decekrs.

The route was fine as Single deckers and should go back to it. Them 3 decekrs could go to routes that badly suffer with Single deck (22 being one of them)


I think there’s two boards which have journeys with very high loadings for school movements, hence the tender specification.

It feels wasteful at other times but is needed for those journeys and it’s cheaper to allocate a double-deck all day than pay for extra peak buses.


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Dan
07 Dec 2022, 4:40 am #802

(07 Dec 2022, 12:42 am)Aaron21 I think nexus need to rethink upgrading the 18 (Benton to Walker) to deckers. As been on it a lot recently and there seems no need for the route to be decekrs.

The route was fine as Single deckers and should go back to it. Them 3 decekrs could go to routes that badly suffer with Single deck (22 being one of them)


I think there’s two boards which have journeys with very high loadings for school movements, hence the tender specification.

It feels wasteful at other times but is needed for those journeys and it’s cheaper to allocate a double-deck all day than pay for extra peak buses.


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Aaron21



792
07 Dec 2022, 9:27 am #803
(07 Dec 2022, 4:40 am)Dan I think there’s two boards which have journeys with very high loadings for school movements, hence the tender specification.

It feels wasteful at other times but is needed for those journeys and it’s cheaper to allocate a double-deck all day than pay for extra peak buses.


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What I don't understand is that it used to have two deckers allocated during then times. Wish they could back to it. Would stop the odd single deck appearing on the 22
Aaron21
07 Dec 2022, 9:27 am #803

(07 Dec 2022, 4:40 am)Dan I think there’s two boards which have journeys with very high loadings for school movements, hence the tender specification.

It feels wasteful at other times but is needed for those journeys and it’s cheaper to allocate a double-deck all day than pay for extra peak buses.


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What I don't understand is that it used to have two deckers allocated during then times. Wish they could back to it. Would stop the odd single deck appearing on the 22

Thomas12



467
07 Dec 2022, 9:40 am #804
(07 Dec 2022, 9:27 am)Aaron21 What I don't understand is that it used to have two deckers allocated during then times. Wish they could back to it. Would stop the odd single deck appearing on the 22

It’s hardly the odd single decker - I would say about 4 or 5 boards a day are operated by ALX300s or E200s, which isn’t ideal. Saw an E200 absolutely packed on there leaving Newcastle yesterday so they definitely shouldn’t be allocated. 

The 12 seems to have them allocated quite a lot too - again not suitable for the service.
Thomas12
07 Dec 2022, 9:40 am #804

(07 Dec 2022, 9:27 am)Aaron21 What I don't understand is that it used to have two deckers allocated during then times. Wish they could back to it. Would stop the odd single deck appearing on the 22

It’s hardly the odd single decker - I would say about 4 or 5 boards a day are operated by ALX300s or E200s, which isn’t ideal. Saw an E200 absolutely packed on there leaving Newcastle yesterday so they definitely shouldn’t be allocated. 

The 12 seems to have them allocated quite a lot too - again not suitable for the service.

V514DFT



2,261
07 Dec 2022, 1:25 pm #805
Tbf though,the 18 has always been a funny service loadings wise,especially when it ran Wallsend- Forest Hall

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
07 Dec 2022, 1:25 pm #805

Tbf though,the 18 has always been a funny service loadings wise,especially when it ran Wallsend- Forest Hall


Kind Regards
Tez

Storx



4,634
07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm #806
(07 Dec 2022, 9:40 am)Thomas12 It’s hardly the odd single decker - I would say about 4 or 5 boards a day are operated by ALX300s or E200s, which isn’t ideal. Saw an E200 absolutely packed on there leaving Newcastle yesterday so they definitely shouldn’t be allocated. 

The 12 seems to have them allocated quite a lot too - again not suitable for the service.

There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.
Storx
07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm #806

(07 Dec 2022, 9:40 am)Thomas12 It’s hardly the odd single decker - I would say about 4 or 5 boards a day are operated by ALX300s or E200s, which isn’t ideal. Saw an E200 absolutely packed on there leaving Newcastle yesterday so they definitely shouldn’t be allocated. 

The 12 seems to have them allocated quite a lot too - again not suitable for the service.

There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.

Unber43



3,567
07 Dec 2022, 5:34 pm #807
(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.
Honestly I think the E400 are probs worse as the G2 Hybrids are on a really tough routes X5/X15/16/16A. 

They are very hilly, steep road. And you've obviously got the 60mph stretch on X5/X15.
Unber43
07 Dec 2022, 5:34 pm #807

(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.
Honestly I think the E400 are probs worse as the G2 Hybrids are on a really tough routes X5/X15/16/16A. 

They are very hilly, steep road. And you've obviously got the 60mph stretch on X5/X15.

Storx



4,634
07 Dec 2022, 6:16 pm #808
(07 Dec 2022, 5:34 pm)Unber43 Honestly I think the E400 are probs worse as the G2 Hybrids are on a really tough routes X5/X15/16/16A. 

They are very hilly, steep road. And you've obviously got the 60mph stretch on X5/X15.

tbh I think it's just Hybrid's in general, just had a look to see how the ex Arriva NE batch are doing down in Yorkshire and it's much of the same 8/22 are off the road down there. Everyone was moaning at the time but Blyth probably got the better deal in the end of it with the reliable DB300's (mind 7612 has just passed my window sounding ill 50 minutes late but that's irrelevant Shy )

I know, according to the London Bus Forums, that no-one is interested in taking the London examples so suggests they're just not very good and are aging badly.
Storx
07 Dec 2022, 6:16 pm #808

(07 Dec 2022, 5:34 pm)Unber43 Honestly I think the E400 are probs worse as the G2 Hybrids are on a really tough routes X5/X15/16/16A. 

They are very hilly, steep road. And you've obviously got the 60mph stretch on X5/X15.

tbh I think it's just Hybrid's in general, just had a look to see how the ex Arriva NE batch are doing down in Yorkshire and it's much of the same 8/22 are off the road down there. Everyone was moaning at the time but Blyth probably got the better deal in the end of it with the reliable DB300's (mind 7612 has just passed my window sounding ill 50 minutes late but that's irrelevant Shy )

I know, according to the London Bus Forums, that no-one is interested in taking the London examples so suggests they're just not very good and are aging badly.

07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm #809
(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.
I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.
ReDemPTiion
07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm #809

(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.
I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.

Unber43



3,567
07 Dec 2022, 7:53 pm #810
(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.
Really they need to replace all the 58/11 Plate E400s
Unber43
07 Dec 2022, 7:53 pm #810

(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.
Really they need to replace all the 58/11 Plate E400s

Storx



4,634
07 Dec 2022, 9:25 pm #811
(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.

Thanks for that, not too surprised they seem to work in London pottering around at 20mph in traffic but anywhere else they're just useless. Shame considering how new they are really, should have a few years left on paper.

The gas buses seem to be heading for the same direction by the sounds of things aswell.
Storx
07 Dec 2022, 9:25 pm #811

(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.

Thanks for that, not too surprised they seem to work in London pottering around at 20mph in traffic but anywhere else they're just useless. Shame considering how new they are really, should have a few years left on paper.

The gas buses seem to be heading for the same direction by the sounds of things aswell.

Unber43



3,567
07 Dec 2022, 9:28 pm #812
(07 Dec 2022, 9:25 pm)Storx Thanks for that, not too surprised they seem to work in London pottering around at 20mph in traffic but anywhere else they're just useless. Shame considering how new they are really, should have a few years left on paper.

The gas buses seem to be heading for the same direction by the sounds of things aswell.
At Wheatshef today only 1 was off.
Unber43
07 Dec 2022, 9:28 pm #812

(07 Dec 2022, 9:25 pm)Storx Thanks for that, not too surprised they seem to work in London pottering around at 20mph in traffic but anywhere else they're just useless. Shame considering how new they are really, should have a few years left on paper.

The gas buses seem to be heading for the same direction by the sounds of things aswell.
At Wheatshef today only 1 was off.

08 Dec 2022, 10:57 am #813
With all this talk about unsuitable vehicles appearing on certain routes 10639 has been allocated to Slatyford 35 today a very strange allocation and waste of double decker.
Coastliner700
08 Dec 2022, 10:57 am #813

With all this talk about unsuitable vehicles appearing on certain routes 10639 has been allocated to Slatyford 35 today a very strange allocation and waste of double decker.

Lollist



193
08 Dec 2022, 11:02 am #814
When are the MANviro 300s coming down to Stockton we are meant to have the Carslisle ones ages ago?
Lollist
08 Dec 2022, 11:02 am #814

When are the MANviro 300s coming down to Stockton we are meant to have the Carslisle ones ages ago?

Chris 1



249
08 Dec 2022, 12:22 pm #815
(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.

I'm not sure if the hybrid systems are different between the ADL and the Volvos.  Series drive and parallel drive systems spring to mind, but it was years ago I was reading it.
Chris 1
08 Dec 2022, 12:22 pm #815

(07 Dec 2022, 4:12 pm)Storx There's 9 of the Hybrids off road today, affording to tracking, that's why pretty much. 

Not sure what's wrong with them but they seem as unreliable as the GNE ones.

I'm not sure if the hybrid systems are different between the ADL and the Volvos.  Series drive and parallel drive systems spring to mind, but it was years ago I was reading it.

V514DFT



2,261
08 Dec 2022, 2:42 pm #816
(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.
I'd say the most punishment theyve got/continue to get is on the 22,especially on Church Bank in Howdon, used to use it alot when i lived in Howdon, and sometimes they really do make some weird sounds when combating it,to the point where an 18 year old ALX300 sounds healthier than an 11 year old E400H

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
08 Dec 2022, 2:42 pm #816

(07 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)ReDemPTiion I was a driver for Walkergate for 6 years moved over to slatyford at the start of 2022 and been here since just passed 7 years with the company. The hybrids were good when they were on 39/40 but when they got their new buses and they started using them all over they were very prone to break downs. You had them on the 22’s where they got a lot of punishment with constant high revs then on the 1/12/38 where they are constantly stop starting. It’s about time they were scrapped in my opinion. Drivers aren’t keen on them, engineers don’t like them. They have a top speed of 45mph but I wouldn’t dare take it over 40 or you risk breaking down (which I did once running back from throckley down the central motorway). Newcastle are desperate for new buses especially Slatyford depot.
I'd say the most punishment theyve got/continue to get is on the 22,especially on Church Bank in Howdon, used to use it alot when i lived in Howdon, and sometimes they really do make some weird sounds when combating it,to the point where an 18 year old ALX300 sounds healthier than an 11 year old E400H


Kind Regards
Tez

08 Dec 2022, 5:02 pm #817
(08 Dec 2022, 11:02 am)Lollist When are the MANviro 300s coming down to Stockton we are meant to have the Carslisle ones ages ago?
the state of the rest of the slatyford fleet you may have to wait out for them coming, you can have the 08 ones though
toward6931
08 Dec 2022, 5:02 pm #817

(08 Dec 2022, 11:02 am)Lollist When are the MANviro 300s coming down to Stockton we are meant to have the Carslisle ones ages ago?
the state of the rest of the slatyford fleet you may have to wait out for them coming, you can have the 08 ones though

Storx



4,634
08 Dec 2022, 5:32 pm #818
(07 Dec 2022, 9:28 pm)Unber43 At Wheatshef today only 1 was off.

Aye I meant coming to the end of their life early, gas buses due to half life refurbishments which are uneconomical by rumours floating around. Arriva Darlington are in a similar boat.

(08 Dec 2022, 12:22 pm)Chris 1 I'm not sure if the hybrid systems are different between the ADL and the Volvos.  Series drive and parallel drive systems spring to mind, but it was years ago I was reading it.

Honestly not too sure if I had to be honest, possibly though. They both seem to be struggling though, mind the ADL ones seem worse.

(08 Dec 2022, 2:42 pm)V514DFT I'd say the most punishment theyve got/continue to get is on the 22,especially on Church Bank in Howdon, used to use it alot when i lived in Howdon, and sometimes they really do make some weird sounds when combating it,to the point where an 18 year old ALX300 sounds healthier than an 11 year old E400H

Wouldn't say the 22 is exactly that punishing really, most of it just pottering around Byker etc. Maybe harder than the rest of the Stagecoach Newcastle network (mind the X's are harder imo) but compared to other routes it's a breeze. On paper it's not a route that should kill a bus unless they're just a bit crap.
Storx
08 Dec 2022, 5:32 pm #818

(07 Dec 2022, 9:28 pm)Unber43 At Wheatshef today only 1 was off.

Aye I meant coming to the end of their life early, gas buses due to half life refurbishments which are uneconomical by rumours floating around. Arriva Darlington are in a similar boat.

(08 Dec 2022, 12:22 pm)Chris 1 I'm not sure if the hybrid systems are different between the ADL and the Volvos.  Series drive and parallel drive systems spring to mind, but it was years ago I was reading it.

Honestly not too sure if I had to be honest, possibly though. They both seem to be struggling though, mind the ADL ones seem worse.

(08 Dec 2022, 2:42 pm)V514DFT I'd say the most punishment theyve got/continue to get is on the 22,especially on Church Bank in Howdon, used to use it alot when i lived in Howdon, and sometimes they really do make some weird sounds when combating it,to the point where an 18 year old ALX300 sounds healthier than an 11 year old E400H

Wouldn't say the 22 is exactly that punishing really, most of it just pottering around Byker etc. Maybe harder than the rest of the Stagecoach Newcastle network (mind the X's are harder imo) but compared to other routes it's a breeze. On paper it's not a route that should kill a bus unless they're just a bit crap.

Malarkey



6,064
08 Dec 2022, 5:54 pm #819
(07 Dec 2022, 6:16 pm)Storx tbh I think it's just Hybrid's in general, just had a look to see how the ex Arriva NE batch are doing down in Yorkshire and it's much of the same 8/22 are off the road down there. Everyone was moaning at the time but Blyth probably got the better deal in the end of it with the reliable DB300's (mind 7612 has just passed my window sounding ill 50 minutes late but that's irrelevant Shy )

I know, according to the London Bus Forums, that no-one is interested in taking the London examples so suggests they're just not very good and are aging badly.

Arriva Tunbridge Wells have taken a hand full of 11 Plate examples.
Malarkey
08 Dec 2022, 5:54 pm #819

(07 Dec 2022, 6:16 pm)Storx tbh I think it's just Hybrid's in general, just had a look to see how the ex Arriva NE batch are doing down in Yorkshire and it's much of the same 8/22 are off the road down there. Everyone was moaning at the time but Blyth probably got the better deal in the end of it with the reliable DB300's (mind 7612 has just passed my window sounding ill 50 minutes late but that's irrelevant Shy )

I know, according to the London Bus Forums, that no-one is interested in taking the London examples so suggests they're just not very good and are aging badly.

Arriva Tunbridge Wells have taken a hand full of 11 Plate examples.

Kuyoyo



6,856
08 Dec 2022, 6:15 pm #820
(08 Dec 2022, 5:54 pm)Malarkey Arriva Tunbridge Wells have taken a hand full of 11 Plate examples.

Which are VDL DB300 Diesel examples, not hybrid. But we are getting off topic here for Stagecoach a bit
Kuyoyo
08 Dec 2022, 6:15 pm #820

(08 Dec 2022, 5:54 pm)Malarkey Arriva Tunbridge Wells have taken a hand full of 11 Plate examples.

Which are VDL DB300 Diesel examples, not hybrid. But we are getting off topic here for Stagecoach a bit

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