(24 Jan 2023, 10:48 am)ReDemPTiion wrote Does anyone know what will happen with 57 plated E400’s 19204/19205/19179? I don’t believe they’re compliant with CAZ rules compared with the 58 plated E400’s

i think they are just under the limit due to modifications like the 08s

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(24 Jan 2023, 1:32 pm)Coastliner700 wrote surely they should be improving the 685 matching it with GNE quality why can’t it be interurban yellow. With coach seats not a bus that’s barely fit to got 20 mins down the road never mind 2 hours

i cant see any of the north east fleet getting the yellow, supposedly the new buses are meant to be slatyford buses for the 685,62/63 as thats the rumours on facebook from drivers, would make alot of sense so probably wont happen

(24 Jan 2023, 2:01 pm)toward6931 wrote i think they are just under the limit due to modifications like the 08s

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i cant see any of the north east fleet getting the yellow, supposedly the new buses are meant to be slatyford buses for the 685,62/63 as thats the rumours on facebook from drivers, would make alot of sense so probably wont happen

Which ones are 08’s? I know all the 58 plates are fine (would be an issue for Walkergate if not) but all the single deckers 223** 224* 225** 228** etc will all go. 

I’m surprised they haven’t done what was done 2016 buy load of new buses for 62/63 then send the 16 plates over Walkergate get rid of the 58 plates

(24 Jan 2023, 2:50 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Which ones are 08’s? I know all the 58 plates are fine (would be an issue for Walkergate if not) but all the single deckers 223** 224* 225** 228** etc will all go. 

I’m surprised they haven’t done what was done 2016 buy load of new buses for 62/63 then send the 16 plates over Walkergate get rid of the 58 plates

sorry meant 58s, if they got a decent number new at slatyford, i think shifting the 16 plates to walkergate would work

(24 Jan 2023, 2:50 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Which ones are 08’s? I know all the 58 plates are fine (would be an issue for Walkergate if not) but all the single deckers 223** 224* 225** 228** etc will all go. 

I’m surprised they haven’t done what was done 2016 buy load of new buses for 62/63 then send the 16 plates over Walkergate get rid of the 58 plates

It'll depend on the bus rather than the registration. Very few buses before 2013/14 or so are Euro 6 so any which are have had mods at some point. Not sure what's been done at Stagecoach but there's nothing stopping them doing the 57 plates. Also technically the 58 plates don't need to be done either as there is a clause that you can continue to run non compliant buses in the zone if there's evidence of a new order of buses to replace them which Stagecoach have.

(24 Jan 2023, 4:26 pm)Storx wrote It'll depend on the bus rather than the registration. Very few buses before 2013/14 or so are Euro 6 so any which are have had mods at some point. Not sure what's been done at Stagecoach but there's nothing stopping them doing the 57 plates. Also technically the 58 plates don't need to be done either as there is a clause that you can continue to run non compliant buses in the zone if there's evidence of a new order of buses to replace them which Stagecoach have.

Using https://www.gov.uk/clean-air-zones you can check vehicles 58 plates all so no charge but 57 plates say £50 but you’re right I could see them doing them like they done the 09 plate 24***’s as they need them for the scholar services.

(24 Jan 2023, 4:31 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Using https://www.gov.uk/clean-air-zones you can check vehicles 58 plates all so no charge but 57 plates say £50 but you’re right I could see them doing them like they done the 09 plate 24***’s as they need them for the scholar services.

Yeah, unless they can keep them outside of Newcastle. Not sure if that's possible though or just keep them on the 18 instead which shouldn't touch the zone. It's technically doable if they go around on the A1 instead of via the Tyne Bridge but it's a rather large detour.

Thanks for that btw didn't realise it existed.

(24 Jan 2023, 4:26 pm)Storx wrote It'll depend on the bus rather than the registration. Very few buses before 2013/14 or so are Euro 6 so any which are have had mods at some point. Not sure what's been done at Stagecoach but there's nothing stopping them doing the 57 plates. Also technically the 58 plates don't need to be done either as there is a clause that you can continue to run non compliant buses in the zone if there's evidence of a new order of buses to replace them which Stagecoach have.

so lets say what people have said on Facebook is true and slatyford is gaining 25 new double deck MMCs,

3 vehicles for the 685 operation, 2 active and 1 spare

remaining 22 to displace the older E400s, I don't know how many slatyford have these days as the number seems to change on a weekly basis but lets say that number  is 15, allows 7 of the 16 plate MMCs to go to walkergate,

walkergate would still be, by my math's 7 full size single decks short of its old  allocation of only 5 single decks and the rest double decks, assuming the 7 16 plate MMCs displace 5 E200s out of the 10 they have currently have and 2 of the 300s, they would still have 12 single decks compared to the 5 they originally had.

maybe cascades from other divisions like the 24 of the 15 plate gold Scania E400s from Preston could tip the balance by allowing the rest of the excess 300s to move from walkergate and allowing a remainder of the old E400s to be cascaded

When Stockton buses 27249 went up Newcastle want buses down Stockton depot?

(24 Jan 2023, 7:09 pm)toward6931 wrote so lets say what people have said on Facebook is true and slatyford is gaining 25 new double deck MMCs,

3 vehicles for the 685 operation, 2 active and 1 spare

remaining 22 to displace the older E400s, I don't know how many slatyford have these days as the number seems to change on a weekly basis but lets say that number  is 15, allows 7 of the 16 plate MMCs to go to walkergate,

walkergate would still be, by my math's 7 full size single decks short of its old  allocation of only 5 single decks and the rest double decks, assuming the 7 16 plate MMCs displace 5 E200s out of the 10 they have currently have and 2 of the 300s, they would still have 12 single decks compared to the 5 they originally had.

maybe cascades from other divisions like the 24 of the 15 plate gold Scania E400s from Preston could tip the balance by allowing the rest of the excess 300s to move from walkergate and allowing a remainder of the old E400s to be cascaded

I don't know the PVR's but aren't a lot of the singles there at Walkergate since certain buses in particular the 11 plate Hybrids are shot to bits and they have a ridiculous number of spares.

But let's say if they do get 25 at Slatyford then I have a feeling all the 16 plates will go to Walkergate. There's only the 62/63/685 which should be Decker operated there but they don't have enough since the extension.

Then there should be enough for all the main services to be ran by the 16/69 Plates, Hybrids and 60 Plates. They could always keep some of the 58 Plates for school runs, 18 and spares. No need to get arid of them all imo, they just shouldn't be in front line work similar to GNE with it's assortment of old Enviro's from London of similar vintage.

It's a waste of money from them having new'ish buses doing school runs at Stockton, Sunderland and Slatyford imo.

(25 Jan 2023, 12:18 am)Storx wrote I don't know the PVR's but aren't a lot of the singles there at Walkergate since certain buses in particular the 11 plate Hybrids are shot to bits and they have a ridiculous number of spares.

But let's say if they do get 25 at Slatyford then I have a feeling all the 16 plates will go to Walkergate. There's only the 62/63/685 which should be Decker operated there but they don't have enough since the extension.

Then there should be enough for all the main services to be ran by the 16/69 Plates, Hybrids and 60 Plates. They could always keep some of the 58 Plates for school runs, 18 and spares. No need to get arid of them all imo, they just shouldn't be in front line work similar to GNE with it's assortment of old Enviro's from London of similar vintage.

It's a waste of money from them having new'ish buses doing school runs at Stockton, Sunderland and Slatyford imo.

the 62/63 are slatyford's  core routes but there are also other high capacity routes where double decker's are handy to have at times like the Newbiggin hall routes like X77/X78 I think, when there's metro disruption there is also a huge spike in the X47 etc.

i think if slaty got the 25 MMCs, around 7 16 plates should go to walkergate perhaps allowing maybe one or two of the 11 plate hybrids to be used for component recovery, although i know some of the oxford and Manchester hybrids have already been cannibalised for this purpose so maybe SNE could grab a few of them until replacements for the 11 plates can come through

(25 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm)toward6931 wrote the 62/63 are slatyford's  core routes but there are also other high capacity routes where double decker's are handy to have at times like the Newbiggin hall routes like X77/X78 I think, when there's metro disruption there is also a huge spike in the X47 etc.

i think if slaty got the 25 MMCs, around 7 16 plates should go to walkergate perhaps allowing maybe one or two of the 11 plate hybrids to be used for component recovery, although i know some of the oxford and Manchester hybrids have already been cannibalised for this purpose so maybe SNE could grab a few of them until replacements for the 11 plates can come through

See personally if I was them I'd keep some 58 Plates at Slatyford for when they need extra capacity on the X47 and whatever school runs are from there. It's a waste having the 16 plates sitting around doing nothing imo or alternatively transfer some of the 60 plates from Walkergate in return.

I guess it all depends on where the electric buses are going as I have a feeling Stagecoach might get some especially if it's the 'busiest and most polluted corridors in the North East' which arguably they run all of them plus their director commented on the announcement which is a bit odd if they're not benefiting from it.

The 38 is one that shouts out, frequent route, runs through Newcastle, runs along the worst part of the Coast Road and runs along the West Road. If they're being serious about decarbonisation it's the arguably the best route for investment and hasn't had any in 13 year - believe the 60 plates were bought for it and they've kept them since.

I wonder if Hartlepool might gain something from the swaps. It only takes 3-4 buses to more or less kill off the Manviros. So short term some of the better Alexander E300 could go to Hartlepool with the likes of 39668 remaining as reserve buses although not sure how likely that would be or if it would actually work.

(26 Jan 2023, 8:49 pm)col87 wrote I wonder if Hartlepool might gain something from the swaps.  It only takes 3-4 buses to more or less kill off the Manviros.  So short term some of the better Alexander E300 could go to Hartlepool with the likes of 39668 remaining as reserve buses although not sure how likely that would be or if it would actually work.

if thats the case i would try, after sorting out walkergate and slatyford decker allocations try and get some of the older deckers to stockton, which in turn could allow some of the reliable ALX/E300 to go to hartlepool

Are Stockton depot still swapping the 64 and 65 reg E300 over with Newcastle and have they swapped anymore

I am sorry if want I say upset anymore one I have ask you about the exchange in with buses 64 and 65 reg at going to Newcastle buses that come to Stockton depot?

(27 Jan 2023, 2:40 am)glen wrote I am sorry if want I say  upset anymore one I have ask you about the exchange in with buses 64 and 65 reg at going to Newcastle buses that come to Stockton depot?

I’d imagine it’s happening over the weekend most likely Sunday as it’s difficult to swap buses around when they’re using them for service work. It should still be happening it can’t see Stagecoach forking out £50 a day per bus.

Thanks for info mate

22412 briefly went down to Sunderland but returned to Slatyford unsure as to why.
39711 has gone back to Sunderland unsure if that will return to Slatyford or stay there. Maybe someone can confirm?

24169 is now at Stockton depot not long ago to do stillington routes Better image will be posted on Flickr later on

(25 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm)toward6931 wrote the 62/63 are slatyford's  core routes but there are also other high capacity routes where double decker's are handy to have at times like the Newbiggin hall routes like X77/X78 I think, when there's metro disruption there is also a huge spike in the X47 etc.

i think if slaty got the 25 MMCs, around 7 16 plates should go to walkergate perhaps allowing maybe one or two of the 11 plate hybrids to be used for component recovery, although i know some of the oxford and Manchester hybrids have already been cannibalised for this purpose so maybe SNE could grab a few of them until replacements for the 11 plates can come through

The Newbiggin Hall routes are the X87/X88, the X77/X78 go to Darras Hall

(27 Jan 2023, 4:04 pm)V514DFT wrote The Newbiggin Hall routes are the X87/X88, the X77/X78 go to Darras Hall

ah righto, i new it was one of them, 50/50 chance haha

(27 Jan 2023, 2:55 pm)Dyllan7817 wrote 24169 is now at Stockton depot not long ago to do stillington routes Better image will be posted on Flickr later on

About time, thought that would have gone a while ago. Probably didn’t help Slatyford struggling for buses. I’d imagine the rest will
be done over the next couple of days

Is Walkergate keeping the hybrids 12061-12086 as when typing the number plate in it comes up £50 charge. So wondering if they still only euro 5.

(27 Jan 2023, 5:03 pm)lloyd647 wrote Is Walkergate keeping the hybrids 12061-12086 as when typing the number plate in it comes up £50 charge. So wondering if they still only euro 5.

They should be staying there’s nothing else saying otherwise

(27 Jan 2023, 5:03 pm)lloyd647 wrote Is Walkergate keeping the hybrids 12061-12086 as when typing the number plate in it comes up £50 charge. So wondering if they still only euro 5.

It’s the same for 24101-24115 they’re saying £50 charge but they’re euro 6 so I’d imagine the hybrids have had something done to them as well

(27 Jan 2023, 5:03 pm)lloyd647 wrote Is Walkergate keeping the hybrids 12061-12086 as when typing the number plate in it comes up £50 charge. So wondering if they still only euro 5.

Hybrids are exempt.


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(27 Jan 2023, 6:55 pm)Dan wrote Hybrids are exempt.


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So does that include GNES Hybrids? I know its probably yes as its the common sense answer as if Stagecoach Hybrids are exempt then GNES should to but I just wanted to clarify.

(27 Jan 2023, 7:17 pm)nova347 wrote So does that include GNES Hybrids? I know its probably yes as its the common sense answer as if Stagecoach Hybrids are exempt then GNES should to but I just wanted to clarify.

im sure all hybrids are exempt

Does anyone know if buses are getting swapped today between Slatyford and Stockton or are they just going to be using the old ones tomorrow and get charged?

(29 Jan 2023, 11:45 am)ReDemPTiion wrote Does anyone know if buses are getting swapped today between Slatyford and Stockton or are they just going to be using the old ones tomorrow and get charged?

Some of Stocktons 271s are off road today along with their 272s so it may happen this afternoon or later on today