(29 Jan 2023, 11:46 am)Dyllan7817 wrote Some of Stocktons 271s are off road today along with their 272s so it may happen this afternoon or later on today

Cheers, I see 24119 is out on 6/7 today that is one that needs to go down but is due back in depot around 18:30.

(29 Jan 2023, 11:46 am)Dyllan7817 wrote Some of Stocktons 271s are off road today along with their 272s so it may happen this afternoon or later on today

i have heard from a slatyford driver that apparently an agreed extension with NCC on "a handful of vehicles may be agreed due to difficulties in effecting their transfer". what's left from Newcastle to transfer over?

(29 Jan 2023, 12:16 pm)toward6931 wrote i have heard from a slatyford driver that apparently an agreed extension with NCC on "a handful of vehicles may be agreed due to difficulties in effecting their transfer". what's left from Newcastle to transfer over?

From Slatyford; 22345,22408,409,411,412, 413,22443,22444,22570,574,580,581,22885,22887(I believe is getting painted then going to Stockton) 22889,24116,117,119,121,123
Walkergate currently have; 22065,22341,22347 and 22437.
A lot of Slatyford buses have been struggling for reliability so it wouldn’t surprise me if there is an extension but some may not even make the journey down to Stockton in their current condition.

I know the reasons why, but sometimes you just have to think that Stagecoach's answer is too throw any old c**p to Stockton.....again!

(29 Jan 2023, 12:53 pm)RM2186 wrote I know the reasons why, but sometimes you just have to think that Stagecoach's answer is too throw any old c**p to Stockton.....again!

well not really, the got a really decent batch of what 40 vehicles? in the form of the 64/65 plate E300s which obviously are now transferring because of a genuine reason, did they not get the 09 plate E300s from brand new as well. plus the 69 plate 200MMCs.

bearing in mind what slatyford was getting landed with, the kinetics meant to oust ALX300s which ended up outliving them, the 08 E300s which required a lot of work for the "flagship" 100, apart from the 2016 400 MMCs which were shared with walkergate and the 66 plate MMCs to oust some more of the ALX300s. Stockton has on average received more vehicles from new

Because the 36/37/38 routes in Stockton and Middlesbrough are heavily used and lengthy. No doubt the lovely vehicles coming down will show their weaknesses and further decimate patronage.

(29 Jan 2023, 1:00 pm)RM2186 wrote Because the 36/37/38 routes in Stockton and Middlesbrough are heavily used and lengthy. No doubt the lovely vehicles coming down will show their weaknesses and further decimate patronage.

to be honest that's a fault at company level not investing enough, Newcastle has more routes, more passengers with more intensity until recently running with the same ALX300s Stockton will be receiving.

(29 Jan 2023, 12:28 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote From Slatyford; 22345,22408,409,411,412, 413,22443,22444,22570,574,580,581,22885,22887(I believe is getting painted then going to Stockton) 22889,24116,117,119,121,123
Walkergate currently have; 22065,22341,22347 and 22437.
A lot of Slatyford buses have been struggling for reliability so it wouldn’t surprise me if there is an extension but some may not even make the journey down to Stockton in their current condition.

man thats alot of buses

(29 Jan 2023, 1:04 pm)toward6931 wrote to be honest that's a fault at company level not investing enough, Newcastle has more routes, more passengers with more intensity until recently running with the same ALX300s Stockton will be receiving.

Not sure about that mind; Walkergate definitely does. Slatyford I'd question it big time, other than the 62/63 most their routes are quite weak really other than the 30's which got investment. The 6/7/71/72/X77/X78/X79/X82/87 are all weak routes hence the lack of investment imo and the sort of routes GNE has been butchering lately.

Stockton is generally a strong area with some decent strong routes. Arriva is the same down there.

(29 Jan 2023, 1:18 pm)Storx wrote Not sure about that mind; Walkergate definitely does. Slatyford I'd question it big time, other than the 62/63 most their routes are quite weak really other than the 30's which got investment. The 6/7/71/72/X77/X78/X79/X82/87 are all weak routes hence the lack of investment imo and the sort of routes GNE has been butchering lately.

Stockton is generally a strong area with some decent strong routes. Arriva is the same down there.

i would disagree massively on the 71/X82/X87, when i worked at slatyford the X82 and 7 were quite busy especially at peak times,

so was the 71 however now that the route does not serve throckley its lost a lot of punters, however the area it serves has had a lot of new houses built and steadily passengers are increasing, plus when the 62 is struggling to run to time (quite frequently due to route length and popularity)and the 71 arrives before, a lot of punters will choose to ride the 71

(29 Jan 2023, 1:38 pm)toward6931 wrote i would disagree massively on the 71/X82/X87, when i worked at slatyford the X82 and 7 were quite busy especially at peak times,

so was the 71 however now that the route does not serve throckley its lost a lot of punters, however the area it serves has had a lot of new houses built and steadily passengers are increasing, plus when the 62 is struggling to run to time (quite frequently due to route length and popularity)and the 71 arrives before, a lot of punters will choose to ride the 71

Aye can't disagree with the X87. Wasn't a typo that I ment the hourly 87. The X82 is an odd one as I can see it going now they're running the 685 they literally duplicate each other. 

The 71 got butchered lately which suggests it isn't great even known the numbers aren't bad tbf. 

Stockton have some very strong routes though the 36/37/38 in particular which is one of the most frequent corridors in the North East, not to mention stuff like the 12, 39, 34/34A, 61 etc which are all frequent corridors. They totally deserve the investment imo. It's noticeable that other than the 39 all of the routes are back to pre covid times which can't be said about Slatyford.

(29 Jan 2023, 2:15 pm)Storx wrote Stockton have some very strong routes though the 36/37/38 in particular which is one of the most frequent corridors in the North East, not to mention stuff like the 12, 39, 34/34A, 61 etc which are all frequent corridors. They totally deserve the investment imo. It's noticeable that other than the 39 all of the routes are back to pre covid times which can't be said about Slatyford.

Stockton's network was revised back in November, hence certain routes don't appear to be back to pre-Covid Times - the 39 is back to pre-Covid running times but on a reduced frequency (every 15 rather than every 12) and with a minor revised route into Middlesbrough. In contrast, the mentioned 34 (the 34A was withdrawn long before Covid when the 34 reverted back to every 20 minutes) is now down to half hourly for the first time since 2014 and has had a significant amount of running time removed (on the previous every 20 minutes, a round trip was 69 minutes, they now get 63 minutes during the day with one afternoon peak time journey getting just 61 minutes).

(29 Jan 2023, 2:23 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Stockton's network was revised back in November, hence certain routes don't appear to be back to pre-Covid Times - the 39 is back to pre-Covid running times but on a reduced frequency (every 15 rather than every 12) and with a minor revised route into Middlesbrough. In contrast, the mentioned 34 (the 34A was withdrawn long before Covid when the 34 reverted back to every 20 minutes) is now down to half hourly for the first time since 2014 and has had a significant amount of running time removed (on the previous every 20 minutes, a round trip was 69 minutes, they now get 63 minutes during the day with one afternoon peak time journey getting just 61 minutes).

Thanks for that, got the 34/34A mixed up there was just flicking through, guess that's struggling with the limited time and serious frequency reduction - surprising considering where it connects and can't imagine people taking the much longer 36 instead but then again there's not exactly anything in Middlesbrough nowadays.

Heard a rumour the gas buses at Sunderland are to be disposed of by October this year, unsure of what possible replacements will be coming

Quick question for any Teessiders, is anyone able to confirm which if any of these withdrawn buses remain onsite at Stockton depot?

22018
22024
22063
22064
22070
22080
24002
24003

And which if any of the following remain on site at Hartlepool
39661
39662
39664
39665
39666

(29 Jan 2023, 9:42 pm)Madmackem22 wrote Heard a rumour the gas buses at Sunderland are to be disposed of by October this year, unsure of what possible replacements will be coming

Been quite a few rumours lingering around about them lately and the cost of a half life refurbishment of the gas tanks (believe that's the issue) being uneconomical. Arriva Darlington is affected aswell and the refurbishment there has just abruptly ended there after the rumours starting coming about so seems there's something in it.

22063 is at hartlepool depot I think?

Is this true or not that sertain person keep saying to people that Stockton is getting more e400 from Newcastle with the new ruling come in force with vechales

(29 Jan 2023, 11:11 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Quick question for any Teessiders, is anyone able to confirm which if any of these withdrawn buses remain onsite at Stockton depot?

22018
22024
22063
22064
22070
22080
24002
24003

And which if any of the following remain on site at Hartlepool
39661
39662
39664
39665
39666

Of the Stockton ones, all but 22063 remain parked in the yard.
22063 is over the pits undergoing work ahead of a return to service.

(29 Jan 2023, 11:50 pm)Mark66t wrote Is this true or not that sertain person keep saying to people that Stockton is getting more e400 from Newcastle with the new ruling come in force with vechales

there has been rumors but nothing confirmed

27740 NK11 BGY seems to be tracking around slatyford depot wonder if a few of the 11 plates can be expected as well as the 64/65 plates from Stockton. ALX300’s and older E300’s seem to still be in service they must have a small extension from the council to allow the buses to be sorted before making the trip south.

(29 Jan 2023, 11:33 pm)Storx wrote Been quite a few rumours lingering around about them lately and the cost of a half life refurbishment of the gas tanks (believe that's the issue) being uneconomical. Arriva Darlington is affected aswell and the refurbishment there has just abruptly ended there after the rumours starting coming about so seems there's something in it.

i wonder if this is where the rumors of the older E400s sticking around are coming from, instead of Stockton receiving them Sunderland get them to replace the affected gas buses,

would make sense until guaranteed replacements are found and procured, mind you with some of the walkergate hybrids falling apart SNE are rapidly losing buses.

am I right in thinking there's 26 hybrids and 40 gas buses. If so these in addition to the older vehicles that will need replacement is likely to take a herculean effort and amount of investment

(30 Jan 2023, 9:30 am)ReDemPTiion wrote 27740 NK11 BGY seems to be tracking around slatyford depot wonder if a few of the 11 plates can be expected as well as the 64/65 plates from Stockton. ALX300’s and older E300’s seem to still be in service they must have a small extension from the council to allow the buses to be sorted before making the trip south.

It'll be interesting to see if the MAN's go at all. There's an exception that if you order new buses and can proove that they'll be displaced within a year they can continue running in the zone. I'm assuming the new Decker order with displace all the singles bar the ones for the 317 at Walkergate which should be enough to get arid of most of them from Slatyford, depending what goes where.

They can in theory do it now, with the remaining 59 plates heading down to Stockton for the 65 plates. There's been no effort to do it so far.

(30 Jan 2023, 1:17 pm)toward6931 wrote i wonder if this is where the rumors of the older E400s sticking around are coming from, instead of Stockton receiving them Sunderland get them to replace the affected gas buses,

would make sense until guaranteed replacements are found and procured, mind you with some of the walkergate hybrids falling apart SNE are rapidly losing buses.

am I right in thinking there's 26 hybrids and 40 gas buses. If so these in addition to the older vehicles that will need replacement is likely to take a herculean effort and amount of investment

Yeah possibly like, and believe that's right. Either way they definitely need investment. The MAN 200's urgently need to go aswell tbh.

(30 Jan 2023, 1:38 pm)Storx wrote It'll be interesting to see if the MAN's go at all. There's an exception that if you order new buses and can proove that they'll be displaced within a year they can continue running in the zone. I'm assuming the new Decker order with displace all the singles bar the ones for the 317 at Walkergate which should be enough to get arid of most of them from Slatyford, depending what goes where.

They can in theory do it now, with the remaining 59 plates heading down to Stockton for the 65 plates. There's been no effort to do it so far.

27251 is now at slatyford, I can see them transferring the buses around over next week or so, I doubt they’ll keep any of them I know there’s new buses coming but they won’t buy more than that they’ll just send them all down Stockton

(30 Jan 2023, 2:37 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote 27251 is now at slatyford, I can see them transferring the buses around over next week or so, I doubt they’ll keep any of them I know there’s new buses coming but they won’t buy more than that they’ll just send them all down Stockton

It's just odd the allocation with the last 8 65 Plates seem to be coming up which conveniently matches up with the 59 Plates (which some do have technical issues or aren't here yet).

There doesn't seem to have been any effort to shift the 08/SP09 plates and ALX300's at all though. Not to mention that there's 13 Single Decker's on DD operated boards again today which ironically is the number of non compliant buses in the CAZ today. The Decker's will definitely be displacing singles though.

I just quickly worked this out so might be slightly wrong but currently the depots for singles are:

Slatyford: Single PVR 53, Compliant Buses 53 (assuming 8 come from Stockton)
Walkergate: Single: PVR 5, Compliant Buses 13

The buses are here to do both routes already with 8 spares which is way more than enough for a PVR of around 60.

(29 Jan 2023, 12:58 pm)toward6931 wrote well not really, the got a really decent batch of what 40 vehicles? in the form of the 64/65 plate E300s which obviously are now transferring because of a genuine reason, did they not get the 09 plate E300s from brand new as well. plus the 69 plate 200MMCs.

bearing in mind what slatyford was getting landed with, the kinetics meant to oust ALX300s which ended up outliving them, the 08 E300s which required a lot of work for the "flagship" 100, apart from the 2016 400 MMCs which were shared with walkergate and the 66 plate MMCs to oust some more of the ALX300s. Stockton has on average received more vehicles from new

It seems it’s Hartlepool that gets any old crap. They hasn’t been any buses here since 2008. The darts that came from Sunderland in 2015 some of them seemed knackered and gone after 2 years replaced by enviros from Shields some of which seem to constantly have problems then the further enviros in 2018. Hartlepool is crying out for new buses or at least better ones half the fleet seems knackered so Stockton in comparison has not done to bad really.

One other point as well the Hartlepool 6/7 must be one of the most frequent services in the region been every 10 minutes on a Monday - Saturday daytime and the 7 can frequently get full coming off the Headland same coming from Owton Manor can be full by bottom of Rossmere Way same with the 6 by the time it gets to Oxford Road so some investment is needed for better buses in Hartlepool. I not saying Deckers although would be nice but some full size singles are needed again at least. Same with the services the peak time 3/3A have been quite full on occasions and the Middlesbrough ones can get full at times as well.

27251 worked up this afternoon, rode on it from Lemington Road Ends to town on a 10 displaying Middlesbrough as the destination!

(30 Jan 2023, 5:48 pm)col87 wrote One other point as well the Hartlepool 6/7 must be one of the most frequent services in the region been every 10 minutes on a Monday - Saturday daytime and the 7 can frequently get full coming off the Headland same coming from Owton Manor can be full by bottom of Rossmere Way same with the 6 by the time it gets to Oxford Road so some investment is needed for better buses in Hartlepool. I not saying Deckers although would be nice but some full size singles are needed again at least. Same with the services the peak time 3/3A have been quite full on occasions and the Middlesbrough ones can get full at times as well.

In all honesty I think Hartlepool is like a forgotten child which gets all of the scraps and nothing new. The Train service on the Durham coast is terrible and the buses are not that good either. There is the 6, 7 which are frequent and the 1, 36 which is every 15 min, but there still needs to be some investment there.

(30 Jan 2023, 3:35 pm)Storx wrote It's just odd the allocation with the last 8 65 Plates seem to be coming up which conveniently matches up with the 59 Plates (which some do have technical issues or aren't here yet).

There doesn't seem to have been any effort to shift the 08/SP09 plates and ALX300's at all though. Not to mention that there's 13 Single Decker's on DD operated boards again today which ironically is the number of non compliant buses in the CAZ today. The Decker's will definitely be displacing singles though.

I just quickly worked this out so might be slightly wrong but currently the depots for singles are:

Slatyford: Single PVR 53, Compliant Buses 53 (assuming 8 come from Stockton)
Walkergate: Single: PVR 5, Compliant Buses 13

The buses are here to do both routes already with 8 spares which is way more than enough for a PVR of around 60.

Stagecoach just don’t seem bothered tbh, they’ve had all month not to mention all the warning before the CAZ came in to sort their fleet out yet they haven’t. I honestly wonder how long the council have gave them to sort it out.