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3570
06 Mar 2023, 9:37 pm
What was the reason it was withdrew from Kimblesworth and Wrekenton?
Unber43
06 Mar 2023, 9:37 pm #161

What was the reason it was withdrew from Kimblesworth and Wrekenton?

4676
06 Mar 2023, 9:39 pm
Merging the 1 and 97 would be an absolute disaster and I don't care what anyone says there's so many bottlenecks and unless you give it stupid overtime will never recover (Tynemouth, Whitley Bay, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham, Bensham Bank and the Metro Centre just to name a few)
Storx
06 Mar 2023, 9:39 pm #162

Merging the 1 and 97 would be an absolute disaster and I don't care what anyone says there's so many bottlenecks and unless you give it stupid overtime will never recover (Tynemouth, Whitley Bay, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham, Bensham Bank and the Metro Centre just to name a few)

3570
06 Mar 2023, 9:42 pm
(06 Mar 2023, 9:39 pm)Storx Merging the 1 and 97 would be an absolute disaster and I don't care what anyone says there's so many bottlenecks and unless you give it stupid overtime will never recover (Tynemouth, Whitley Bay, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham, Bensham Bank and the Metro Centre just to name a few)
15 mins either side would/ should surfice with 5 mins at Gateshead each way.

The 1 only have 5 mins either end, same with the 97
Unber43
06 Mar 2023, 9:42 pm #163

(06 Mar 2023, 9:39 pm)Storx Merging the 1 and 97 would be an absolute disaster and I don't care what anyone says there's so many bottlenecks and unless you give it stupid overtime will never recover (Tynemouth, Whitley Bay, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham, Bensham Bank and the Metro Centre just to name a few)
15 mins either side would/ should surfice with 5 mins at Gateshead each way.

The 1 only have 5 mins either end, same with the 97

4676
06 Mar 2023, 9:49 pm
(06 Mar 2023, 9:42 pm)Unber43 15 mins either side would/ should surfice with 5 mins at Gateshead each way.

The 1 only have 5 mins either end, same with the 97

Layovers aren't the answer though, if I lived in Bensham and need to go to Metrocentre, it being 10 minutes late isn't alright because it has a 15 minute layover at the end or vice versa from Cullercoats to Whitley Bay.

Bolting bus routes together for the sake for bolting bus routes that have no connections in being together and can't easily be regulated as they're too infrequent is just stupid imo.
Storx
06 Mar 2023, 9:49 pm #164

(06 Mar 2023, 9:42 pm)Unber43 15 mins either side would/ should surfice with 5 mins at Gateshead each way.

The 1 only have 5 mins either end, same with the 97

Layovers aren't the answer though, if I lived in Bensham and need to go to Metrocentre, it being 10 minutes late isn't alright because it has a 15 minute layover at the end or vice versa from Cullercoats to Whitley Bay.

Bolting bus routes together for the sake for bolting bus routes that have no connections in being together and can't easily be regulated as they're too infrequent is just stupid imo.

3977
06 Mar 2023, 9:53 pm
(06 Mar 2023, 9:28 pm)Andreos1 What was the reason for curtailing the 1 at Gateshead last time? 

Sure there was something said about the E200's driving growth on the 97 too. Something about branding and titivations being enough to make passengers switch to the bus.

I don't know. Can't keep up anymore.

Migrants crossing the Tyne in small unbranded boats.
MurdnunoC
06 Mar 2023, 9:53 pm #165

(06 Mar 2023, 9:28 pm)Andreos1 What was the reason for curtailing the 1 at Gateshead last time? 

Sure there was something said about the E200's driving growth on the 97 too. Something about branding and titivations being enough to make passengers switch to the bus.

I don't know. Can't keep up anymore.

Migrants crossing the Tyne in small unbranded boats.

2281
07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am
They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am #166

They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016


Kind Regards
Tez

14269
07 Mar 2023, 9:35 am
(07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am)V514DFT They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016

The 301 has been like that since the 80s at least.
Someone may want to correct me, but it's been Kibblesworth along Saltwell Road, then Gateshead, then the Metrocentre when that opened, back to Gateshead, then a continued swap between Kibblesworth and Wrekenton via Durham Road or Gateshead and the Metrocentre ever since.

One advantage of the Metrocentre extension in the 90s, was that it had a slight variation and went along past Whickham Thorns and Market Lane. Immense at full-pelt on an Atlantean!

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
07 Mar 2023, 9:35 am #167

(07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am)V514DFT They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016

The 301 has been like that since the 80s at least.
Someone may want to correct me, but it's been Kibblesworth along Saltwell Road, then Gateshead, then the Metrocentre when that opened, back to Gateshead, then a continued swap between Kibblesworth and Wrekenton via Durham Road or Gateshead and the Metrocentre ever since.

One advantage of the Metrocentre extension in the 90s, was that it had a slight variation and went along past Whickham Thorns and Market Lane. Immense at full-pelt on an Atlantean!


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

07 Mar 2023, 10:28 am
(07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am)V514DFT They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016
GNE also merged the 1 with the eastern section of the erstwhile 85/86 between North Shields and Whitley Bay, taking the 1 through Marden Estate and giving a very indirect route between those two towns. Annoyingly the western side was covered by the W3, a Nexus-supported bus service for which the contract was at first given to GNE. The whole route of the 85/86 circle had been, at the time, a commercial service.
When the 1/85/86 merger took place, buses along the sea front between Tynemouth and Culleroats, ceased, as did buses along the full length of the Broadway between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay with the withdrawal of the 310.

It's interesting to note that, from a very good network of bus services in the North Shields/Tynemouth area once operated by the Tynemouth bus company, only two GNE routes will serve those areas after 26 March (the 1 and the 307).
Ex-conductor
07 Mar 2023, 10:28 am #168

(07 Mar 2023, 8:32 am)V514DFT They seem to enjoy barfing up the same ideas from back in the day that dont work, and its always the 1, and one of the 90s they do it with, the 1 is long enough, leave it alone, it was only 18 months ago they reverted to 1 back to Whitley Bay- Gateshead, it doesnt work
2016 17 merged with the 96 and renumbered 11
2019 11 curtailed at Wallsend, replaced with the 1/ 1A- Failed
2020? 1 renumbered 1A/1B, 1 withdrawn- Failed
2021 1A/1B curtailed at Gateshead, renumbered back to 1- It Works
Thats just from the last 6 and a bit years, im sure theres plenty more before 2016
GNE also merged the 1 with the eastern section of the erstwhile 85/86 between North Shields and Whitley Bay, taking the 1 through Marden Estate and giving a very indirect route between those two towns. Annoyingly the western side was covered by the W3, a Nexus-supported bus service for which the contract was at first given to GNE. The whole route of the 85/86 circle had been, at the time, a commercial service.
When the 1/85/86 merger took place, buses along the sea front between Tynemouth and Culleroats, ceased, as did buses along the full length of the Broadway between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay with the withdrawal of the 310.

It's interesting to note that, from a very good network of bus services in the North Shields/Tynemouth area once operated by the Tynemouth bus company, only two GNE routes will serve those areas after 26 March (the 1 and the 307).

19181
07 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm
PB0003954/1214
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 96 (96) Metrocentre Gateshead
PB0003954/304

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
07 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm #169

PB0003954/1214
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 96 (96) Metrocentre Gateshead
PB0003954/304


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

2281
07 Mar 2023, 12:31 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 9:35 am)Andreos1 The 301 has been like that since the 80s at least.
Someone may want to correct me, but it's been Kibblesworth along Saltwell Road, then Gateshead, then the Metrocentre when that opened, back to Gateshead, then a continued swap between Kibblesworth and Wrekenton via Durham Road or Gateshead and the Metrocentre ever since.

One advantage of the Metrocentre extension in the 90s, was that it had a slight variation and went along past Whickham Thorns and Market Lane. Immense at full-pelt on an Atlantean!

(07 Mar 2023, 10:28 am)Ex-conductor GNE also merged the 1 with the eastern section of the erstwhile 85/86 between North Shields and Whitley Bay, taking the 1 through Marden Estate and giving a very indirect route between those two towns. Annoyingly the western side was covered by the W3, a Nexus-supported bus service for which the contract was at first given to GNE. The whole route of the 85/86 circle had been, at the time, a commercial service.
When the 1/85/86 merger took place, buses along the sea front between Tynemouth and Culleroats, ceased, as did buses along the full length of the Broadway between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay with the withdrawal of the 310.

It's interesting to note that, from a very good network of bus services in the North Shields/Tynemouth area once operated by the Tynemouth bus company, only two GNE routes will serve those areas after 26 March (the 1 and the 307).
You're both bob on

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
07 Mar 2023, 12:31 pm #170

(07 Mar 2023, 9:35 am)Andreos1 The 301 has been like that since the 80s at least.
Someone may want to correct me, but it's been Kibblesworth along Saltwell Road, then Gateshead, then the Metrocentre when that opened, back to Gateshead, then a continued swap between Kibblesworth and Wrekenton via Durham Road or Gateshead and the Metrocentre ever since.

One advantage of the Metrocentre extension in the 90s, was that it had a slight variation and went along past Whickham Thorns and Market Lane. Immense at full-pelt on an Atlantean!

(07 Mar 2023, 10:28 am)Ex-conductor GNE also merged the 1 with the eastern section of the erstwhile 85/86 between North Shields and Whitley Bay, taking the 1 through Marden Estate and giving a very indirect route between those two towns. Annoyingly the western side was covered by the W3, a Nexus-supported bus service for which the contract was at first given to GNE. The whole route of the 85/86 circle had been, at the time, a commercial service.
When the 1/85/86 merger took place, buses along the sea front between Tynemouth and Culleroats, ceased, as did buses along the full length of the Broadway between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay with the withdrawal of the 310.

It's interesting to note that, from a very good network of bus services in the North Shields/Tynemouth area once operated by the Tynemouth bus company, only two GNE routes will serve those areas after 26 March (the 1 and the 307).
You're both bob on


Kind Regards
Tez

473
07 Mar 2023, 12:37 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm)Michael PB0003954/1214
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 96 (96) Metrocentre Gateshead
PB0003954/304

There is also confirmation that the 1 will be replacing the 97.

Registration number PB0003954/1221
Licence Number PB0003954
Status Variation
Service number.1, 1
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Whitley Bay
Finish point Metrocentre
Via Tynemouth, North Shields, Howdon, Wallsend, Byker, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham
Date received 07 Mar 2023
Effective date 26 Mar 2023
Thomas12
07 Mar 2023, 12:37 pm #171

(07 Mar 2023, 12:01 pm)Michael PB0003954/1214
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 96 (96) Metrocentre Gateshead
PB0003954/304

There is also confirmation that the 1 will be replacing the 97.

Registration number PB0003954/1221
Licence Number PB0003954
Status Variation
Service number.1, 1
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Whitley Bay
Finish point Metrocentre
Via Tynemouth, North Shields, Howdon, Wallsend, Byker, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham
Date received 07 Mar 2023
Effective date 26 Mar 2023

250
07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm
Back to the future almost. This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days. They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.
Chris 1
07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm #172

Back to the future almost. This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days. They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.

19181
07 Mar 2023, 2:05 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 12:37 pm)Thomas12 There is also confirmation that the 1 will be replacing the 97.

Registration number PB0003954/1221
Licence Number PB0003954
Status Variation
Service number.1, 1
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Whitley Bay
Finish point Metrocentre
Via Tynemouth, North Shields, Howdon, Wallsend, Byker, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham
Date received 07 Mar 2023
Effective date 26 Mar 2023

Seems strange, they're going backwards and sending the 1 back to the Metro.

A PVR increase too, wonder if they'll repaint some of the Euro 6 Streetlites in to "Coaster"

Wonder where the E200's will end up?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
07 Mar 2023, 2:05 pm #173

(07 Mar 2023, 12:37 pm)Thomas12 There is also confirmation that the 1 will be replacing the 97.

Registration number PB0003954/1221
Licence Number PB0003954
Status Variation
Service number.1, 1
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Whitley Bay
Finish point Metrocentre
Via Tynemouth, North Shields, Howdon, Wallsend, Byker, Newcastle, Gateshead, Whickham
Date received 07 Mar 2023
Effective date 26 Mar 2023

Seems strange, they're going backwards and sending the 1 back to the Metro.

A PVR increase too, wonder if they'll repaint some of the Euro 6 Streetlites in to "Coaster"

Wonder where the E200's will end up?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

551
07 Mar 2023, 2:21 pm
It doesn’t make much sense after a fairly recent order of the new ADL buses for the 97, 4 year old the Enviros now? Appreciate a lot has happened during that time, but still. Assuming there’ll re-jig the Streetlites around so the 1 will have a full allocation of those, I wonder where the 10 Envrios will end up?

Is the 97 currently temporarily reduced? What was its frequency, every 15 mins?
Drifter60
07 Mar 2023, 2:21 pm #174

It doesn’t make much sense after a fairly recent order of the new ADL buses for the 97, 4 year old the Enviros now? Appreciate a lot has happened during that time, but still. Assuming there’ll re-jig the Streetlites around so the 1 will have a full allocation of those, I wonder where the 10 Envrios will end up?

Is the 97 currently temporarily reduced? What was its frequency, every 15 mins?

14269
07 Mar 2023, 3:18 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm)Chris 1 Back to the future almost.  This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days.  They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.

Reckon someone sits going through old timetables, shouts up they've come up with a brand new idea and hope nobody spots the obvious?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
07 Mar 2023, 3:18 pm #175

(07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm)Chris 1 Back to the future almost.  This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days.  They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.

Reckon someone sits going through old timetables, shouts up they've come up with a brand new idea and hope nobody spots the obvious?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

2281
07 Mar 2023, 3:48 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm)Chris 1 Back to the future almost.  This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days.  They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.
Why theyre at it, may aswell bring back all the routes from the 300 series

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
07 Mar 2023, 3:48 pm #176

(07 Mar 2023, 1:59 pm)Chris 1 Back to the future almost.  This new incarnation of the 1 is one of those loony toons routes that were axed in the Peter Huntley days.  They'll be wheeling the 638 out of retirement next.
Why theyre at it, may aswell bring back all the routes from the 300 series


Kind Regards
Tez

3561
07 Mar 2023, 4:28 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 2:21 pm)Drifter60 It doesn’t make much sense after a fairly recent order of the new ADL buses for the 97, 4 year old the Enviros now? Appreciate a lot has happened during that time, but still. Assuming there’ll re-jig the Streetlites around so the 1 will have a full allocation of those,  I wonder where the 10 Envrios will end up?

Is the 97 currently temporarily reduced? What was its frequency, every 15 mins?
Could the Enviro 200's not be distributed amongst the 6 & 12?
L469 YVK
07 Mar 2023, 4:28 pm #177

(07 Mar 2023, 2:21 pm)Drifter60 It doesn’t make much sense after a fairly recent order of the new ADL buses for the 97, 4 year old the Enviros now? Appreciate a lot has happened during that time, but still. Assuming there’ll re-jig the Streetlites around so the 1 will have a full allocation of those,  I wonder where the 10 Envrios will end up?

Is the 97 currently temporarily reduced? What was its frequency, every 15 mins?
Could the Enviro 200's not be distributed amongst the 6 & 12?

1526
07 Mar 2023, 4:41 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 3:48 pm)V514DFT Why theyre at it, may aswell bring back all the routes from the 300 series

The orgiginal 310 and the 319!
Rob44
07 Mar 2023, 4:41 pm #178

(07 Mar 2023, 3:48 pm)V514DFT Why theyre at it, may aswell bring back all the routes from the 300 series

The orgiginal 310 and the 319!

07 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm
Could the 1 extension to the MetroCentre be an indirect result of losing the 19 to Cowboy Taxis of Gateshead - erm I mean Central Taxis of Gateshead - to, at least in part, give Percy Main some lost work?
tynesider
07 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm #179

Could the 1 extension to the MetroCentre be an indirect result of losing the 19 to Cowboy Taxis of Gateshead - erm I mean Central Taxis of Gateshead - to, at least in part, give Percy Main some lost work?

121
07 Mar 2023, 6:09 pm
(07 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm)tynesider Could the 1 extension to the MetroCentre be an indirect result of losing the 19 to Cowboy Taxis of Gateshead - erm I mean Central Taxis of Gateshead - to, at least in part, give Percy Main some lost work?
It would compensate Percy Main for losing the 19 and 311, and will also take the pressure off Riverside which still struggles with cancellations at times.
That said, if the 25 and 28/29 move to Riverside, it'll be Washington that has the net reduction in work.
missedbus
07 Mar 2023, 6:09 pm #180

(07 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm)tynesider Could the 1 extension to the MetroCentre be an indirect result of losing the 19 to Cowboy Taxis of Gateshead - erm I mean Central Taxis of Gateshead - to, at least in part, give Percy Main some lost work?
It would compensate Percy Main for losing the 19 and 311, and will also take the pressure off Riverside which still struggles with cancellations at times.
That said, if the 25 and 28/29 move to Riverside, it'll be Washington that has the net reduction in work.

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