(02 Jul 2023, 8:14 pm)Madmackem22 wrote 39731/2 are apparently the only ones staying

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I hope not. 731's alright but 732 was absolutely dreadful last time I had it.

Speaking of the 3900s, anyone know why 716 is an 09-plate, yet 715 and 717 are 58-plates?

(02 Jul 2023, 5:57 pm)Storx wrote Surely it's upto Stagecoach not Durham CC / Tees Valley. If Stagecoach want to give the applicable element of the fare to cover the costs Durham would make from the fares then I'm sure they wouldn't mind. 

Otherwise they're not going to let Stagecoach tickets on as Stagecoach can't be paid to run a service then make a profit off the fares at the same time.

When you’re running someone elses service you stick to their rules…


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(02 Jul 2023, 8:28 pm)F114TML wrote I hope not. 731's alright but 732 was absolutely dreadful last time I had it.

Speaking of the 3900s, anyone know why 716 is an 09-plate, yet 715 and 717 are 58-plates?

The batch were delivered Feb to April 2009 so ended up with split registrations depending whether they entered service pre or post March 2009.  They were mostly in line with fleet number order but with a couple of exceptions, 39702 being another to get 09 plates, for example.

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(02 Jul 2023, 8:14 pm)Madmackem22 wrote 39731/2 are apparently the only ones staying

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Looked like a few of the gas buses had already gone this morning

Interesting that its the newest of the gas buses that have been withdrawn.  If it was down to hitting the 10 year warranty/refurb deadline for the gas tanks, you'd think they'd be taking the oldest off the road first.

Would also have made more sense to keep them in service for an extra week to enable the loan of a few deckers to Hartlepool to cover tall ships loadings on their services down there.

(02 Jul 2023, 8:28 pm)Michael wrote Wonder why they're keeping them?

Where are the gas buses going?

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Ye, a £1.50 increase for the Megarider, disgrace really when they're cutting the services.

First bus have bought them

(02 Jul 2023, 9:15 pm)Madmackem22 wrote First bus have bought them

Thanks for the info, which part of First bus?, as I think theres a few depots with gas buses

(03 Jul 2023, 4:54 am)Michael wrote Thanks for the info, which part of First bus?, as I think theres a few depots with gas buses

I'm not sure

Temporary Timetable changes to Hartlepool's 6/7 from Thursday 6th July until Saturday 8th July
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:24:18:165

(03 Jul 2023, 9:28 am)Kuyoyo wrote Temporary Timetable changes to Hartlepool's 6/7 from Thursday 6th July until Saturday 8th July
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:24:18:165

Fantastic planning cut it down to 12 minutes now with the same small buses with more people likely to use them and delays expected.  I do wonder if the management have a clue or even care at times.

(12 Jun 2023, 11:04 am)Kuyoyo wrote All bar the 35 changes are now listed on Bus Times' Cleveland Transit LTD registration page and it seems some of the rumours are off the mark

10: Monday to Sunday service. Peak Monday to Friday journeys advanced/retarded with additional running times to provide greater reliability due to prevailing traffic conditions. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
12: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 15 minutes.
13/13A: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to hourly.
13B: Journey to operate from Middlesbrough Bus Station to Acklam Hall Drive and to operate on Schooldays Only
34: Monday to Sunday service. Greater reliability at peaks. No changes to off peak or weekend times.
36/37/38: Monday to Sunday services. Minor changes to service 37 on Sunday mornings to improve reliability.
39: Monday to Sunday service. To operate via Wilson St towards Mboro Bus Stn. Minor changes to pm Monday to Friday peak times to improve reliability.
52: Monday to Sunday service.Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 61 on most occasions.
57/58/58A: Minor changes to timetable. Some early morning Monday to Friday journeys previously 58A to be replaced with approximately equivalent service 58 journeys.
59: Monday to Sunday service.Minor changes to timetables and daytime frequency to continue at every 15 minutes daytimes. No longer operationally linked to service 61 in most cases. Minor changes to pm peak schooltime journeys to improve reliability.
61: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 20 minutes. The service will be operationally linked to service 52 on most occasions.

1: Monday to Sunday service. Minor changes to Monday to Friday timetable. Certain am journeys retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
3/3A: Monday to Saturday service. One Monday to Friday am journey retimed slightly to cater for changes to start time at High Tunstall College.
6: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 7 on most occasions.
7: Monday to Sunday service. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to every 12 minutes. The service will continue to be operationally linked to service 6 on most occasions.
20/980: Monday to Friday service. 0702 ex Headland journey retimed to operate at 0657 and operate 5 minutes earlier throughout.

Timetables are now showing on Bus Times, with some other interesting unmentioned changes:
12: Saturday afternoon frequency reduced to every 20 minutes after 1430 from Middlesbrough and 1508 from Coulby Newham
52: Evening journeys, except the last departure from Stockton at 2320, are revised to leave Stockton 4 minutes later than present but reach Owington Farm 3 minutes later than present. Inbound, they run 1 minutes later. Likewise, Sunday morning journeys from Owington Farm towards Stockton now run 2 minutes earlier
57/58: Weekday afternoon frequency is random - running every 18 minutes after 2pm until 1545 when it reverts to every 15 minutes (although the 1548 and 1603 departures are both 57s) before dropping to roughly every 20 after 5pm. Saturdays remain as now. On Sundays, the 1827 from the Castlegate is retimed to run a minute later throughout to match the rest of the evening journeys 
59: Saturday afternoon frequency reduced to every 20 minutes after 1500 from North Tees and 1530 from Stockton. Additionally on Saturday morning, the first two departures from North Tees continue to terminate at the Royal Oak end and continuing on as a 61

Changes to Sunderland services 99 & 939 from Monday 24 July 2023


https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:19:48:945


looks like Stagecoach are still running the 6:55am from Sunderland Interchange and 16:38pm from Teams Valley

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:43:21:444#

6/7/39/40 changes out

Just minor timetable change

(14 Jul 2023, 5:17 pm)Michael wrote Changes to Sunderland services 99 & 939 from Monday 24 July 2023


https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:19:48:945


looks like Stagecoach are still running the 6:55am from Sunderland Interchange and 16:38pm from Teams Valley

The contract for those two journeys on the 939 renews in September.

Shouldn’t be too long before operators find out the results of those contracts.


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(14 Jul 2023, 6:33 pm)Busu284 wrote https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:43:21:444#

6/7/39/40 changes out

Just minor timetable change

I’m happy that the service for the 39/40 on a Sunday has increased to 10 mins it is going to massively increase when they come so I don’t have to wait an extremely long 20 mins.

(14 Jul 2023, 7:44 pm)BusEnthusiast.com wrote I’m happy that the service for the 39/40 on a Sunday has increased to 10 mins it is going to massively increase when they come so I don’t have to wait an extremely long 20 mins.

They’re still operating every 20 minutes each, otherwise it’d mean they’d be more frequent On a Sunday then the rest of the week.


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(15 Jul 2023, 6:29 am)pbjd wrote They’re still operating every 20 minutes each, otherwise it’d mean they’d be more frequent On a Sunday then the rest of the week.


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I take any I don’t go to a different place. I don’t use the ones direct to Walker or Wallsend nor Chapel House or Dumpling shall I just take what comes first.

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(15 Jul 2023, 6:29 am)pbjd wrote They’re still operating every 20 minutes each, otherwise it’d mean they’d be more frequent On a Sunday then the rest of the week.


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I take any I don’t go to a different place. I don’t use the ones direct to Walker or Wallsend nor Chapel House or Dumpling shall I just take what comes first.

(15 Jul 2023, 9:16 am)BusEnthusiast.com wrote I take any I don’t go to a different place. I don’t use the ones direct to Walker or Wallsend nor Chapel House or Dumpling shall I just take what comes first.

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I take any I don’t go to a different place. I don’t use the ones direct to Walker or Wallsend nor Chapel House or Dumpling shall I just take what comes first.

39 Walker- Dumpling Hall
40 Wallsend- Chapel House
combined section is Welbeck Road- Lemington Road Ends, hope this helps

Question is 10000 getting a repaint?

Teesside Changes from 23rd July

Hartlepool changes from 23rd July

Changes for the 3rd September 2023: I take it this is due to school contract changes?


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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1011ss (11, 10) South Shields Interchange North Shields Interchange

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 71728788 (71, 87, 72) Grainger Street Chapel Park, Chapel House or Newbiggin Hall

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X1 (X1) Sunderland John Street Doxford International

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1819 (18A, 18) Sunderland Grangetown or Gilley Law

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18 (18) Benton Estate or Quorum Walker

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X63 (X63) Newcastle City Centre Killingworth

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 317 (317) Wallsend Whitley Bay

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 373838A (38A, 38, 37) Whickham View Freeman Hospital, Forest Hall and Cramlington

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 23 (23) Dene Estate Thorney Close

(21 Jul 2023, 5:45 pm)Michael wrote Changes for the 3rd September 2023: I take it this is due school contract changes?


PB0002404/41
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1011ss (11, 10) South Shields Interchange North Shields Interchange

PB0002404/40
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 71728788 (71, 87, 72) Grainger Street Chapel Park, Chapel House or Newbiggin Hall

PB0002404/77
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X1 (X1) Sunderland John Street Doxford International

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 1819 (18A, 18) Sunderland Grangetown or Gilley Law

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18 (18) Benton Estate or Quorum Walker

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD X63 (X63) Newcastle City Centre Killingworth

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 317 (317) Wallsend Whitley Bay

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 373838A (38A, 38, 37) Whickham View Freeman Hospital, Forest Hall and Cramlington

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 23 (23) Dene Estate Thorney Close

Interesting to note service 37 Whickham View to Cramlington appearing , suspect some are schools and others timings as there’s no way the SS 10/11 will have schools put on them given they’re a contract between Low Simonside and North Shields.


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(21 Jul 2023, 5:48 pm)pbjd wrote Interesting to note service 37 Whickham View to Cramlington appearing , suspect some are schools and others timings as there’s no way the SS 10/11 will have schools put on them given they’re a contract between Low Simonside and North Shields.


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This suggests that Stagecoach are also looking to replace the Arriva North East 52 service to Cramlington and 55 service to Forest Hall, as a 37 and 38A respectively.

Interesting move after Go North East had already registered the 352 - 355 services.


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(21 Jul 2023, 6:23 pm)Dan wrote This suggests that Stagecoach are also looking to replace the Arriva North East 52 service to Cramlington and 55 service to Forest Hall, as a 37 and 38A respectively.

Interesting move after Go North East had already registered the 352 - 355 services.


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Believe Forest Hall will still operate as service 38 as it previously did when the service was first introduced hence internally known as Benton, with the 38A being its current 3 trips on a morning. Will be interesting to see the fate of the current FLE trips on weekend mornings as I can’t see them being kept when Forest Hall becomes a terminus.


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(21 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm)pbjd wrote Believe Forest Hall will still operate as service 38 as it previously did when the service was first introduced hence internally known as Benton, with the 38A being its current 3 trips on a morning. Will be interesting to see the fate of the current FLE trips on weekend mornings as I can’t see them being kept when Forest Hall becomes a terminus.


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They'll be replaced by 37's or stay the same I'd guess. They only exist when the 52 doesn't exist to keep the Freeman to FLE link.

I know that the final decision by Arriva to withdraw all these services wasn’t made until relatively recently, but I wonder if these extensions to the 38 are the reason extra E400 MMCs were diverted from the South West? Both Newcastle depots were already struggling to cover all the daily decker PVR and have struggled with this for a long time.

Wow back to my childhood of the 38 serving Forest Hall again

(21 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm)pbjd wrote Believe Forest Hall will still operate as service 38 as it previously did when the service was first introduced hence internally known as Benton, with the 38A being its current 3 trips on a morning. Will be interesting to see the fate of the current FLE trips on weekend mornings as I can’t see them being kept when Forest Hall becomes a terminus.


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A "bus war" in Forest Hall of all places!!

how come its taken arriva to pull of of this area for stagecoach and GNE to start a sop called bus war? Are they both frightened of the power of this german owned company?

It might not be a bus war, could it not be the 2 operators working together to maintain the half hour frequency currently operated by Arriva? As the Go North East services are only operating hourly the 37/38 extensions might well be hourly too.

Not sure about the other areas, but of the Sunderland ones, only the 18 interworks with a scholars now.

One may hope the 16 change is to even out the standing time at either end of the route (14 min at one end and 1 min at the other is a bit rediculous). Not sure what the 23 one's all about as it seems fine, maybe just giving a bit more running time and taking a bit of standing time (lol, they're probably taking a bus off and tightening the arse off it)? X1 will be to do with the changes on 16 and 23 no doubt, as it now interworks with both.

(22 Jul 2023, 8:22 am)F114TML wrote Not sure about the other areas, but of the Sunderland ones, only the 18 interworks with a scholars now.

One may hope the 16 change is to even out the standing time at either end of the route (14 min at one end and 1 min at the other is a bit rediculous). Not sure what the 23 one's all about as it seems fine, maybe just giving a bit more running time and taking a bit of standing time (lol, they're probably taking a bus off and tightening the arse off it)? X1 will be to do with the changes on 16 and 23 no doubt, as it now interworks with both.

Ah cheers, thank you for the additional information.


The 16 is horrendous, the 7:44am from Hastings Hill is constantly late sometimes by at least 10 minutes.