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Go North East: Service Suggestions

Go North East: Service Suggestions

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RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(25 Jan 2014, 6:50 pm)Dr Martin wrote Here is an idea, stop constantly messing with services, end of.

Well, if it maximises profits and pays for new buses to reduce the fleet age... I'm quite happy with them 'messing with services'. Wink
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
You might be, but the travelling public on the other hand. Some have been a success, some have not, some have had pointless modifications.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(25 Jan 2014, 7:05 pm)Dr Martin wrote You might be, but the travelling public on the other hand. Some have been a success, some have not, some have had pointless modifications.

Care to elaborate on the pointless modifications. Service changes are done for a reason. If people's travelling habits did not change then service changes would not be needed. What is the point of a service running to the same housing estate just because it always has done, when the houses are no longer standing, or a new shopping centre is built, but because it is out of town and the buses have not gone there in the past, they do not serve it.

Service changes have to be done to ensure profitability of the Company remains, without service changes, profits would suffer, services cut back further and investment would be hindered, which lets be honest is no good for anyone.

People need to live in the real world I am afraid and stop thinking services are changed just for changing them sake. Buses running around carrying fresh air does not pay wages or buy new buses. As most people will know every employee likes pay rises, so without services changes pay rises would not be forthcoming and staff would move. Whilst GNE do service changes on a regular basis, Arriva are just as bad. The amount of service changes South East Northumberland have is shocking and they normally revert them back to the way they were (X4 and X5 as examples).
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(25 Jan 2014, 7:47 pm)citaro5284 wrote Care to elaborate on the pointless modifications. Service changes are done for a reason. If people's travelling habits did not change then service changes would not be needed. What is the point of a service running to the same housing estate just because it always has done, when the houses are no longer standing, or a new shopping centre is built, but because it is out of town and the buses have not gone there in the past, they do not serve it.

Service changes have to be done to ensure profitability of the Company remains, without service changes, profits would suffer, services cut back further and investment would be hindered, which lets be honest is no good for anyone.

People need to live in the real world I am afraid and stop thinking services are changed just for changing them sake. Buses running around carrying fresh air does not pay wages or buy new buses. As most people will know every employee likes pay rises, so without services changes pay rises would not be forthcoming and staff would move. Whilst GNE do service changes on a regular basis, Arriva are just as bad. The amount of service changes South East Northumberland have is shocking and they normally revert them back to the way they were (X4 and X5 as examples).

My main gripe regarding the changes are probably the examples seen in Allerdene with the 1/24 and across North Sunderland Estates.

The 24 was re-introduced to improve reliability for the 1, which was having apparent issues.
What seemed like a short while later and following a campaign by local councillors, the 1 is reintroduced for residents, following a leaflet drop/consultation where very few responses were given.
GNE jumped on the PR waggon and dressed it all up (see comments on the forum at the time) in a big PR excercise.

The changes in North Sunderland have become a joke (see comments on the forum).
Twice annual service revisions have seen services launched and scrapped. Some curtailed, others extended. Others have seen buses given funky colours and new brands.
What do we have now?

Yes, there is the valid argument about profits and ensuring passengers needs are met - but if I was working for a company and convinced the bosses that my scheme would work, explained my ideas would attract an increase in passenger numbers AND got them to invest thousands of pounds in marketing, literature and vehicle planning, I wouldn't have the face to turn into work after the umpteenth amendment to the initial idea.

Of course passenger habits change.
Look at how the legacy of historic routes have been adapted to suit modern needs - 26/ 231/721/722/723/724/735/777 -> 21/21a/21b/724 -> 21/22 -> 21/x22 is a good example.
Have the changes resulted in a better service for passengers or a bigger profit for the company on the Durham Road cash cow corridor between Birtley and Newcastle?

You could say that the residents in Barley Mow have a greater number of cars now than they did 20 years ago, so don't need the 26, 721 or 777 (4 buses an hour linking the estate to Birtley, Gateshead and Newcastle or to the QE).
So instead the company sticks 4 buses an hour through the estate linking it to Washington (M2/M3), which was previously served by the hourly 183 or 551 from the estate fringes.

As a passengers, all I can see is the reduction in services (vehicle capacity, destination wise and frequency to Newcastle) through Birtley town centre.

I was tempted to mention Fencehouses, but that one has been done to death Wink

Passengers come first and the constant changes (in my view) don't always reflect that.
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RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
My idea for a fast express service between Blyth and Newcastle. Buses would operate half hourly Monday to Saturday and later on, potential hourly evening and Sunday journeys. Service X89 would be operated by 3 Mercs of the Cobalt Clipper and operate between Blyth and Newcastle calling at Union Street, 12th Avenue, Sixth Avenue, Princess Louise Road, Newsham Road, Wharton Street, Winship Street and Newcastle Road. Buses would then operate non stop to St Mary's and Haymarket via A1061, A189 and B1318 straight into Newcastle.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(05 Feb 2014, 6:53 pm)Davey Bowyer wrote My idea for a fast express service between Blyth and Newcastle. Buses would operate half hourly Monday to Saturday and later on, potential hourly evening and Sunday journeys. Service X89 would be operated by 3 Mercs of the Cobalt Clipper and operate between Blyth and Newcastle calling at Union Street, 12th Avenue, Sixth Avenue, Princess Louise Road, Newsham Road, Wharton Street, Winship Street and Newcastle Road. Buses would then operate non stop to St Mary's and Haymarket via A1061, A189 and B1318 straight into Newcastle.

There is a big gap in the market for Go North East in Northumberland due to the shocking services provided by Arriva, notably the X15/X18.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(05 Feb 2014, 6:56 pm)Tom wrote There is a big gap in the market for Go North East in Northumberland due to the shocking services provided by Arriva, notably the X15/X18.

It's a shame Euro 6 emission controls have stopped the production of the B9TL. I could imagine a Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 in GNE colours or brand happily pacing up and down the Northumberland Coastline lauging off the challenges the E400 faces!
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(05 Feb 2014, 8:42 pm)Davey Bowyer wrote It's a shame Euro 6 emission controls have stopped the production of the B9TL. I could imagine a Volvo B9TL Gemini 2 in GNE colours or brand happily pacing up and down the Northumberland Coastline lauging off the challenges the E400 faces!

Yeah, it'd be fantastic. If you see the post I made a few weeks a go with my suggestion it'll give you a idea of the possible timetable.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(05 Feb 2014, 6:56 pm)Tom wrote There is a big gap in the market for Go North East in Northumberland due to the shocking services provided by Arriva, notably the X15/X18.

A half hourly fast express service being operated by a Merc with Wi-Fi fitted would knock ten bells out off the X10 and X11.
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(08 Feb 2014, 1:20 pm)Davey Bowyer wrote A half hourly fast express service being operated by a Merc with Wi-Fi fitted would knock ten bells out off the X10 and X11.

Not really, offering half the capacity on a third of the frequency with no extras on offer (All Blyth vehicles are already fitted with WiFi).
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(08 Feb 2014, 3:34 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Not really, offering half the capacity on a third of the frequency with no extras on offer (All Blyth vehicles are already fitted with WiFi).

Didn't know they were. Anyway, a fast express between Blyth and Newcastle calling at some of the X10 and X11 stops until the A1061 then operating non stop to St Mary's / Haymarket, would take about 35 minutes off peak compared to 50 minutes and about 45 minuts during peak time compared to nearly 1 hour. And unlike the X10 and X11 that needs the capacity for Cramlington, 40 seats would be good enough serving Blyth and outlying areas before heading straight to Newcastle via the A189 and South Gosforth.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:34 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Not really, offering half the capacity on a third of the frequency with no extras on offer (All Blyth vehicles are already fitted with WiFi).

Arriva buses have wifi....never seen this advertised anywhere
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:41 pm)citaro5284 wrote Arriva buses have wifi....never seen this advertised anywhere

The Sapphire brand is advertised as a standard - WiFi and power sockets being one of those standards? Didn't know about others though..
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RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:41 pm)citaro5284 wrote Arriva buses have wifi....never seen this advertised anywhere

Good job they don't. I've stood next to several Quorum Express branded vehicles today and not once have I been able to get Wi-Fi.
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:46 pm)aureolin wrote The Sapphire brand is advertised as a standard - WiFi and power sockets being one of those standards?

Yes, but my original comment was referring to Kuyoyo who said all Blyth buses had wifi fitted, now even I know there is no Sapphire vehicles at Blyth!
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:48 pm)citaro5284 wrote Yes, but my original comment was referring to Kuyoyo who said all Blyth buses had wifi fitted, now even I know there is no Sapphire vehicles at Blyth!

I had added that I didn't know about others. Maybe it's like Fab Fifty Six, Connections 4 and Citylink WiFi though? Intermittent at best.
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(08 Feb 2014, 3:46 pm)Dan wrote Good job they don't. I've stood next to several Quorum Express branded vehicles today and not once have I been able to get Wi-Fi.

Must have been your equipment Tongue And of course, I bet you have been no where near where the Quorum Express vehicles are suppose to be, like Ashington Tongue
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RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(08 Feb 2014, 3:54 pm)citaro5284 wrote Must have been your equipment Tongue And of course, I bet you have been no where near where the Quorum Express vehicles are suppose to be, like Ashington Tongue

I hope you aren't suggesting 1403 has been on the 1 today!!
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
I would prefer the cadets to go to Peterlee for 208/202/204/265 sequences, Peterlee has to keep some mpds for the tight estates services.

X36 shouldn't be part of the Fastcasts brand as the X36 has nothing to do with Hartlepool past era.

should of renumbered the X35 as 231 as it was previous before it came X35 as well over half of the route is all stops. and run the route half hourly between Sunderland and Peterlee with hourly from Peterlee to Hartlepool. And run the other half hourly service between Peterlee and Hartlepool as a 230 and extend the service from Peterlee to Sunderland via Seaham/murton area.

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(10 Feb 2014, 2:23 pm)cbma06 wrote I would prefer the cadets to go to Peterlee for 208/202/204/265 sequences, Peterlee has to keep some mpds for the tight estates services.

X36 shouldn't be part of the Fastcasts brand as the X36 has nothing to do with Hartlepool past era.

should of renumbered the X35 as 231 as it was previous before it came X35 as well over half of the route is all stops. and run the route half hourly between Sunderland and Peterlee with hourly from Peterlee to Hartlepool. And run the other half hourly service between Peterlee and Hartlepool as a 230 and extend the service from Peterlee to Sunderland via Seaham/murton area.

What does 'Fast Cats' have to do with Hartlepool? The 'Fast Cats' brand is more Sunderland-based, hence the addition of the X36 to the brand.
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(10 Feb 2014, 2:30 pm)Kuyoyo wrote What does 'Fast Cats' have to do with Hartlepool? The 'Fast Cats' brand is more Sunderland-based, hence the addition of the X36 to the brand.

Fast Cats brand is not a Sunderland based brand, when the X35 was branded up at the beginning of the launch at GNE also stated that the brand came from the olden days at Hartlepool when the wooden ships came into the harbour and their used to be loads of rats that used to come off the boats/ships really fast and the locals used to call them the fastcats as their couldn't catch them.

RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(10 Feb 2014, 2:41 pm)cbma06 wrote Fast Cats brand is not a Sunderland based brand, when the X35 was branded up at the beginning of the launch at GNE also stated that the brand came from the olden days at Hartlepool when the wooden ships came into the harbour and their used to be loads of rats that used to come off the boats/ships really fast and the locals used to call them the fastcats as their couldn't catch them.

It is now - next to nobody (including myself) know that story (Hartlepool's history is more linked to the unfortunate Monkey they hanged) while Sunderland is far better know in regards to its links with Cats. End of the day, either the brand is completely dropped and both routes run in Go North East red livery, the X36 is dropped which will simply reverse the improved reliability on the X35, or both routes are part of the brand as it is. Indeed, the X36 fits the 'Fast Cats' idea more (fast express from Sunderland, the city of the Black Cats lamp).
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(10 Feb 2014, 2:51 pm)Kuyoyo wrote It is now - next to nobody (including myself) know that story (Hartlepool's history is more linked to the unfortunate Monkey they hanged) while Sunderland is far better know in regards to its links with Cats. End of the day, either the brand is completely dropped and both routes run in Go North East red livery, the X36 is dropped which will simply reverse the improved reliability on the X35, or both routes are part of the brand as it is. Indeed, the X36 fits the 'Fast Cats' idea more (fast express from Sunderland, the city of the Black Cats lamp).

X35 still has reliability issues even if its linked to the X36 bus service.

Can anybody on here remember the launch of the X35 Fastcats branding and the reason why that branding was choosen?.

The Fastcats branding and the old "Black Cats" branding for the old 26 series was never had any connection to the Sunderland Football Club at all.

RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(10 Feb 2014, 2:51 pm)Kuyoyo wrote It is now - next to nobody (including myself) know that story (Hartlepool's history is more linked to the unfortunate Monkey they hanged) while Sunderland is far better know in regards to its links with Cats. End of the day, either the brand is completely dropped and both routes run in Go North East red livery, the X36 is dropped which will simply reverse the improved reliability on the X35, or both routes are part of the brand as it is. Indeed, the X36 fits the 'Fast Cats' idea more (fast express from Sunderland, the city of the Black Cats lamp).

Suits the X36 more because cats like to chase magpies don't they? Tongue
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
Up the Frequency of the 8/50 to Every 20 Minutes and/or Extend the M2/M3 into Chester le Street on Both Services.

Simple Reason for the 50 is, This Morning I started work at 10pm, and went out to catch the 09:40am which ended up turning up 10 Minutes Late, and I was pretty much cutting it for being late this Morning, Got bollocking off my Line Manager for being a Minute Early for my Shift, Although I should perhaps get an Earlier Bus, But if said Bus had Broken Down, I would of had to wait 30 Minutes for the Next One. Perhaps having the 50 at 02/22/42 through Lambton heading towards Durham wouln't be such a Bad Idea.

As for the 8, A simply short Xpress Journey which goes from Chester le Street to Sunderland via Washington Galleries - Waterview Park and Sunderland Enterprise Park, would be ideal also, As the 8 at 17:17pm from Chester was also 10 Minutes Late, which affects the Reliability of the whole Route and the 78 that it Interworks with. Maybe these should actually be Stand Alone Services.

Then the M2/M3 would also Improve Links between Chester le Street and Washington, Perhaps have it run via Station Lane - Ouston - Pelton/Drum Industrial Estate and Pelton Lane into Chester le Street. "And Brand it Lambton Worm" - Could even Extend to Waldridge Park to Replace the 34/34A and Split the Allocation between Chester/Washington and also Keep the Frequency at Every 15 Minutes across the whole Route.

There's a few Suggestions from my First Day at Work.
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(10 Feb 2014, 10:05 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Up the Frequency of the 8/50 to Every 20 Minutes and/or Extend the M2/M3 into Chester le Street on Both Services.

Simple Reason for the 50 is, This Morning I started work at 10pm, and went out to catch the 09:40am which ended up turning up 10 Minutes Late, and I was pretty much cutting it for being late this Morning, Got bollocking off my Line Manager for being a Minute Early for my Shift, Although I should perhaps get an Earlier Bus, But if said Bus had Broken Down, I would of had to wait 30 Minutes for the Next One. Perhaps having the 50 at 02/22/42 through Lambton heading towards Durham wouln't be such a Bad Idea.

As for the 8, A simply short Xpress Journey which goes from Chester le Street to Sunderland via Washington Galleries - Waterview Park and Sunderland Enterprise Park, would be ideal also, As the 8 at 17:17pm from Chester was also 10 Minutes Late, which affects the Reliability of the whole Route and the 78 that it Interworks with. Maybe these should actually be Stand Alone Services.

Then the M2/M3 would also Improve Links between Chester le Street and Washington, Perhaps have it run via Station Lane - Ouston - Pelton/Drum Industrial Estate and Pelton Lane into Chester le Street. "And Brand it Lambton Worm" - Could even Extend to Waldridge Park to Replace the 34/34A and Split the Allocation between Chester/Washington and also Keep the Frequency at Every 15 Minutes across the whole Route.

There's a few Suggestions from my First Day at Work.

Giving yourself 12 hours travel time from Lambton to Chester le Street is a bit generous mind :p
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(10 Feb 2014, 10:34 pm)aureolin wrote Giving yourself 12 hours travel time from Lambton to Chester le Street is a bit generous mind :p

I know, Just thinking about myself as a Passenger who'll be using the Service on a Daily Basis, Good Job i'm on 9 till 5 rest of the week as the 50 operates 7 Minutes Earlier before 9am.

Just spotted my Error, ooooops. Scim read you post and failed to realise
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(10 Feb 2014, 10:05 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Up the Frequency of the 8/50 to Every 20 Minutes and/or Extend the M2/M3 into Chester le Street on Both Services.

Simple Reason for the 50 is, This Morning I started work at 10pm, and went out to catch the 09:40am which ended up turning up 10 Minutes Late, and I was pretty much cutting it for being late this Morning, Got bollocking off my Line Manager for being a Minute Early for my Shift, Although I should perhaps get an Earlier Bus, But if said Bus had Broken Down, I would of had to wait 30 Minutes for the Next One. Perhaps having the 50 at 02/22/42 through Lambton heading towards Durham wouln't be such a Bad Idea.

As for the 8, A simply short Xpress Journey which goes from Chester le Street to Sunderland via Washington Galleries - Waterview Park and Sunderland Enterprise Park, would be ideal also, As the 8 at 17:17pm from Chester was also 10 Minutes Late, which affects the Reliability of the whole Route and the 78 that it Interworks with. Maybe these should actually be Stand Alone Services.

Then the M2/M3 would also Improve Links between Chester le Street and Washington, Perhaps have it run via Station Lane - Ouston - Pelton/Drum Industrial Estate and Pelton Lane into Chester le Street. "And Brand it Lambton Worm" - Could even Extend to Waldridge Park to Replace the 34/34A and Split the Allocation between Chester/Washington and also Keep the Frequency at Every 15 Minutes across the whole Route.

There's a few Suggestions from my First Day at Work.

Cutting the 8 from Chester-le-Street to Stanley isn't a good idea, that's the busiest section of the route!
RE: Go North East Service Suggestions
(11 Feb 2014, 7:40 am)Tom wrote Cutting the 8 from Chester-le-Street to Stanley isn't a good idea, that's the busiest section of the route!

Saying that i got on at the Gall's yesterday with few seat's left, this was heading to Sunderland, this was at 4:36pm run though, it was still quite full after i got off at the Broadway.

No changes to the 8 please.
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