(27 Sep 2023, 10:19 pm)col87 wrote Now Wilko has gone for good with parts of the shopping centre more or less derelict and the indoor market literally falling to bits Hartlepool Town centre is also quite poor with not really a lot in it.

Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx wrote Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

They are buses to both but not many and only certain areas can get to them. 

I think once it known about the 36 going to Teesside Park I can actually see quite a few people using it.  My concern though is that they needs to be a better stop though as going from one service in each direction every 30 minutes to 4 services every few minutes. I think it’s likely to be a passing point as well so they a good chance of 3 buses trying to get in to what just fits one bus so something needs even a second stop would help with one stop for services towards and another stop for services towards Stockton.

(28 Sep 2023, 8:44 pm)Storx wrote Aye you're right there mind, was there the other day as I fancied a look around Wilko there (thought it might have more in as it's always dead usually) as we were down there for the day at the Headlands. What a bleak place, absolutely no reason to go there considering most the shops in there are at Tees Bay or opposite the marina. Seeing some bloke off his face on god knows what near the toilets just added a special charm aswell.

Better than Stockton though mind where there's literally no reason to go.

Then they wonder why people don't use buses when literally every bus forces you to the place - good luck getting to Tees Bay or the Marina though where arguably people would rather be.

It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.

(29 Sep 2023, 12:05 pm)Adrian wrote It's the same with 90% of town centres now. They're inconvenient versus Retail Parks, so the limited number of people who haven't completely caved in to online shopping, will instead go there for the convenience of being able to park right next to the shop they want.

Galleries in Washington is dead nowadays, but the retail park across the road is thriving. Same with the retail park at Peel, ever since they got new tenants in a couple years ago.

Yeah you're right there, mind the Galleries is doing better than most. Least there's actually something to go for there with the 2 supermarkets at each end. Mind must say, the Wilko anchor being empty is a bit of a blow.

(15 Sep 2023, 3:08 pm)Michael wrote 29th October 2023:

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Sunday runs up until Christmas?

Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

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(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael wrote Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 313 (3, 13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon

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3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography wrote 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael wrote Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.

(03 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)Michael wrote Where will the extra buses come from?, as they've sold 5 of the gas buses.

Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up

(03 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm)54APhotography wrote Exactly. And the extra drivers, 50+ gone this year. Walker taking management hints from Feetham.

Must be using magic to get them....... looking forward to the cancelation's on a daily bases..

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(03 Oct 2023, 6:17 pm)Busu284 wrote Could end up with the Walkergate E300 (from Manchester we currently have) as they seem to be Sunderland bound when the E400MMC 117 batch turns up

Could do, would make sense.

That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??

(03 Oct 2023, 10:31 pm)Acky81 wrote That mean the 3 will return to plains farm and the 12 coming back??

12 isn't coming back.

(03 Oct 2023, 5:21 pm)54APhotography wrote 3 & 13 reverting to previous times, Wheatsheaf admitting the changes haven't worked with buses bunching and causing big gaps in services 4 & 16 changes to combat similar issues.

Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.

(04 Oct 2023, 9:18 am)F114TML wrote Where's this come from?

3s are alright generally. Hopefully the 16 is evening out the standing times.

Rumour was 4s and 13s interworking to help with the issues there.

The offices. Changes aren't to restore service levels, but to even out times. Even if it does require increase in PVR only one bus has arrived here.

(03 Oct 2023, 5:12 pm)Michael wrote Few more changes for the 5th November in Sunderland:

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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 (16) Red House Estate Hastings Hill

13: Monday to Sunday regular services. Minor timetable change to services 3 and 13. Revised route around Doxford Park for service 13.

4: Monday to Sunday regular service. Timetable and revised route at Doxford Park

16 - Monday to Sunday regular service. Minor timetable change Monday to Saturday.

Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then

A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere

(07 Oct 2023, 5:58 pm)Busu284 wrote A bit of help here. Can anyone tell me where Middle Callerton is on the 63 for the extension as I can't find it anywhere

I can't confirm 100%, but based on the Callerton plans it's going to be here - https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%...?entry=ttu

I tried to find it the other day, there's a bus loop there and a high curb for them to stop behind the van. Can see it if you move about with Streetview.

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Guessing this is just a renewal of contract?

(05 Oct 2023, 9:37 am)F114TML wrote Most likely be the 4 and 13 interworking then

4 & 13 interworking at Doxford Park...
........ 4 arrives and changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Hall Farm as it will leave as a 13 and vice versa......13 changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Mill Hill as service 4

(09 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm)Rockstar666 wrote PB0001987/316 Registered
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Route: Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex to Redcar & Cleveland Tees Flex

Service number: R® (Rou)

Service type: Flexible Registration

Effective date: 06 Nov 2023



Guessing this is just a renewal of contract?

New stop added for Yearby Village,

(09 Oct 2023, 3:09 pm)Retro Nero wrote 4 & 13 interworking at Doxford Park...
........ 4 arrives and changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Hall Farm as it will leave as a 13 and vice versa......13 changes at Doxford Park Morrisons and runs via Mill Hill as service 4

Does this mean if you live at Hall Farm you would catch the 13 to go into Sunderland but would have to catch the 4 back home?


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Might be able to stay on the 13 and let it go onto the 4 and just stay on

(10 Oct 2023, 8:11 am)GrahamD83 wrote Does this mean if you live at Hall Farm you would catch the 13 to go into Sunderland but would have to catch the 4 back home?


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I'd imagine it'll be like the 30/31/36 in Newcastle where it changes route number but allows you to stay on unless stated otherwise

(10 Oct 2023, 8:11 am)GrahamD83 wrote Does this mean if you live at Hall Farm you would catch the 13 to go into Sunderland but would have to catch the 4 back home?


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To make things easier both services may serve both estates.

Timetables already available on traveline website for 4 and 13. Both services serve each estate like a Sunday daytime. Waiting time of around 8 minutes at Mill Hill hopefully sort out late running with that

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(10 Oct 2023, 2:29 pm)mattych88 wrote Timetables already available on traveline website for 4 and 13. Both services serve each estate like a Sunday daytime. Waiting time of around 8 minutes at Mill Hill hopefully sort out late running with that

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So as mentioned previously, changing services probably at Morrisons before Doxford Park as they are interworking.

(10 Oct 2023, 3:20 pm)Retro Nero wrote So as mentioned previously, changing services probably at Morrisons before Doxford Park as they are interworking.

Yeah both 4 and 13 start and end point is now morrisons. Any layover looks to be taking at Mill Hill's 1st stop with arrival and departure times for that stop.

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(10 Oct 2023, 2:29 pm)mattych88 wrote Timetables already available on traveline website for 4 and 13. Both services serve each estate like a Sunday daytime. Waiting time of around 8 minutes at Mill Hill hopefully sort out late running with that

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Any ideas on standing time at Downhill/Town End?

(10 Oct 2023, 6:01 pm)F114TML wrote Any ideas on standing time at Downhill/Town End?

Looks like 7 minutes at Downhill for the 4 and 3 minutes at Town End for the 13.

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