Anyone know why this was seen on the 63 today. Guessing this was just one of them day loans when Redcar are out of buses and don't have a spare to send out.

Presuming loan. Alot of the redcar buses are currently off the road

You'll probably see more of this kind of thing going forward, due to recent management changes meaning the same people now manage both Stockton and Redcar.

(12 Jan 2024, 8:41 pm)RobinHood wrote You'll probably see more of this kind of thing going forward, due to recent management changes meaning the same people now manage both Stockton and Redcar.

Did the Redcar management get removed or stocktons or was it a bit of both. In my opinion Redcar have had decent management considering they have to deal with very old buses always breaking down on extreme hilly routes.

(12 Jan 2024, 8:18 pm)Ryland wrote Presuming loan. Alot of the redcar buses are currently off the road

Yeh, doesn't help they have one of worst fleet of buses. The transfer of the 09/10 Pulsars haven't really been a great help either with both 1448 & 1449 being out already. The Temsas, although maybe some sort of reliable from time to time mostly break down once every 4 months. I'm hoping once tax year hits the new American owners get investing their cash.

(12 Jan 2024, 10:12 pm)Mike_98 wrote Did the Redcar management get removed or stocktons or was it a bit of both. In my opinion Redcar have had decent management considering they have to deal with very old buses always breaking down on extreme hilly routes.

Other way surely? Coming from someone outside the area, Stockton seems the only depot out of the 4 Southern depots which isn't a complete mess.

Arriva North East (not Northumbria) in general is a shambles though, the state of some of the fleet that we've had to suffer in recent years is a disgrace, 1407 and 1409 - in particular. Not a clue who dumped them up here. Cleaning seems a foreign idea down there and the limited times I've used Durham buses straight from a Blyth bus you'd think it was a different company. Credit the Stockton X12's always seemed fine.

I nearly thought I'd say a miracle happened today and all the Solo's were out all day at Ashington today but surprise surprise 2854 another Darlington shed, went tech again.

(12 Jan 2024, 11:30 pm)Storx wrote Arriva North East (not Northumbria) in general is a shambles though, the state of some of the fleet that we've had to suffer in recent years is a disgrace, 1407 and 1409 - in particular. 

1407 was widely regarded as one of the best buses in the fleet, IIRC. Very reliable and it performed incredibly well.

(12 Jan 2024, 11:40 pm)mb134 wrote 1407 was widely regarded as one of the best buses in the fleet, IIRC. Very reliable and it performed incredibly well.

Apologies, meant from a PAX point of view there, rather than engineering like damaged seats backs etc and no-one bothering to sort it out either.

(12 Jan 2024, 11:30 pm)Storx wrote Other way surely? Coming from someone outside the area, Stockton seems the only depot out of the 4 Southern depots which isn't a complete mess.

Arriva North East (not Northumbria) in general is a shambles though, the state of some of the fleet that we've had to suffer in recent years is a disgrace, 1407 and 1409 - in particular. Not a clue who dumped them up here. Cleaning seems a foreign idea down there and the limited times I've used Durham buses straight from a Blyth bus you'd think it was a different company. Credit the Stockton X12's always seemed fine.

I nearly thought I'd say a miracle happened today and all the Solo's were out all day at Ashington today but surprise surprise 2854 another Darlington shed, went tech again.

Stockton are fairing decently now they have swapped some older Pulsars for the Lites. I know they did it because they have a Ex Wrightbus Engineer at Stockton but that was a great swap for them. In terms of Darlington, I don't know too much about their fleet but they seem decent since they got the Ecolites. Even though it probs won't happen it would be interesting to see Darlo swap all their lites for Stockton Pulsars and Stockton would be near enough full of Lites. Even thought it won't probably happen it would be really cool to see. 

Redcar, even thought it ain't their fault have it the worst. Currently they have a tonne of vehicles off the road. Some only for a little while and some for really long periods of time.

E300
1355 CX58 EVV (Only a few days)

Pulsars
1436 NK10 CEU (Been out since before Christmas)
1448 NK10 CFN (Over a week)
1449 NK10 CFO (Few Days)

Temsas
4700 YJ59 AZV (Few Days)
4705 YJ59 BHW (October 24th)
4711 YJ10 DHD (Over a week)
4716 YJ10 DHM (Few days)
4718 YJ10 DFU (20th December)

Gemini 2s
7401 NK64 FSF (Last in proper in service 7th June)
7402 NK64 FSG (11th December)
7404 NK64 FSL (Few Days)
7405 NK64 FSN (Christmas Eve)
7610 NK59 DMU (Few Days)

ALX 400s
7424 LJ55 BPZ (8th November)
7426 LJ55 BRX (Few Days)

Even though some have only been off for a few days that list shouldn't be that long. I know the B9TL's I think I getting some treatment ready for the summer X93/X94 I think, but the X93 hasn't been suffering any problems. All the other services that redcar operate have been suffering with cancelled services or some showing up over 15 minutes late and some breaking down, especially on the X2/X3/64/64A Rota. I'm personally amazed how Arriva haven't been punished by the Transport Authority yet. Time will tell to see what happens.

(13 Jan 2024, 12:34 am)Mike_98 wrote E300
1355 CX58 EVV (Only a few days)

Pulsars
1436 NK10 CEU (Been out since before Christmas)
1448 NK10 CFN (Over a week)
1449 NK10 CFO (Few Days)

Temsas
4700 YJ59 AZV (Few Days)
4705 YJ59 BHW (October 24th)
4711 YJ10 DHD (Over a week)
4716 YJ10 DHM (Few days)
4718 YJ10 DFU (20th December)

Gemini 2s
7401 NK64 FSF (Last in proper in service 7th June)
7402 NK64 FSG (11th December)
7404 NK64 FSL (Few Days)
7405 NK64 FSN (Christmas Eve)
7610 NK59 DMU (Few Days)

ALX 400s
7424 LJ55 BPZ (8th November)
7426 LJ55 BRX (Few Days)

Are you sure they're all VOR? As stated in another thread there are multiple vehicles across multiple companies which haven't been tracking correctly for a while now given the issues with ticketer/3G capacity.

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(13 Jan 2024, 12:00 am)Storx wrote Apologies, meant from a PAX point of view there, rather than engineering like damaged seats backs etc and no-one bothering to sort it out either.

From memory 1407 wasn't actually that bad internally. By no means was it looking great, but for it's age it still looked reasonably tidy. The 61 plates were the worst of the bunch that came up for the 1/2 conversion IIRC, I could be wrong but I'm sure 1475/97 were particularly dodgy.

(13 Jan 2024, 12:43 am)mb134 wrote Are you sure they're all VOR? As stated in another thread there are multiple vehicles across multiple companies which haven't been tracking correctly for a while now given the issues with ticketer/3G capacity.

I'm 90% Certain. I know personally I haven't seen them myself when I've been on my travels unless someone else can verify that they have. Some might be back tomorrow though I would imagine. A list that big won't be like that for long.

(13 Jan 2024, 12:54 am)Mike_98 wrote I'm 90% Certain. I know personally I haven't seen them myself when I've been on my travels unless someone else can verify that they have. Some might be back tomorrow though I would imagine. A list that big won't be like that for long.

1355 IS GETTING MOT AND ROAD TEST THAT WILL BE BACK SHORTLY AT REDCAR

(13 Jan 2024, 9:27 pm)megansmith wrote 1355 IS GETTING MOT AND ROAD TEST THAT WILL BE BACK SHORTLY AT REDCAR

Calm it down

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(13 Jan 2024, 12:34 am)Mike_98 wrote Stockton are fairing decently now they have swapped some older Pulsars for the Lites. I know they did it because they have a Ex Wrightbus Engineer at Stockton but that was a great swap for them. In terms of Darlington, I don't know too much about their fleet but they seem decent since they got the Ecolites. Even though it probs won't happen it would be interesting to see Darlo swap all their lites for Stockton Pulsars and Stockton would be near enough full of Lites. Even thought it won't probably happen it would be really cool to see. 

Redcar, even thought it ain't their fault have it the worst. Currently they have a tonne of vehicles off the road. Some only for a little while and some for really long periods of time.

E300
1355 CX58 EVV (Only a few days)

Pulsars
1436 NK10 CEU (Been out since before Christmas)
1448 NK10 CFN (Over a week)
1449 NK10 CFO (Few Days)

Temsas
4700 YJ59 AZV (Few Days)
4705 YJ59 BHW (October 24th)
4711 YJ10 DHD (Over a week)
4716 YJ10 DHM (Few days)
4718 YJ10 DFU (20th December)

Gemini 2s
7401 NK64 FSF (Last in proper in service 7th June)
7402 NK64 FSG (11th December)
7404 NK64 FSL (Few Days)
7405 NK64 FSN (Christmas Eve)
7610 NK59 DMU (Few Days)

ALX 400s
7424 LJ55 BPZ (8th November)
7426 LJ55 BRX (Few Days)

Even though some have only been off for a few days that list shouldn't be that long. I know the B9TL's I think I getting some treatment ready for the summer X93/X94 I think, but the X93 hasn't been suffering any problems. All the other services that redcar operate have been suffering with cancelled services or some showing up over 15 minutes late and some breaking down, especially on the X2/X3/64/64A Rota. I'm personally amazed how Arriva haven't been punished by the Transport Authority yet. Time will tell to see what happens.

Obviously, we won't ever know but are the buses off the road because of the Redcar engineering aswell though? I'm not going to dispute the routes but other depots around the country especially in Scotland don't have no-where the issues which Redcar have with similar fleets. The Temsa's in particular work an easy shift really.

(13 Jan 2024, 10:15 pm)Storx wrote Obviously, we won't ever know but are the buses off the road because of the Redcar engineering aswell though? I'm not going to dispute the routes but other depots around the country especially in Scotland don't have no-where the issues which Redcar have with similar fleets. The Temsa's in particular work an easy shift really.

 Like megan said 1355 needs an MOT and road test. The other ones on the list still ain't out. They could be out for a couple of days and be back out soon or they could be out for a long time. Temsa's when they are broke, usually sit there for long periods of time. I do think Redcar need a bigger fleet of reserve vehicles though.

I also look at Stagecoach and see they have a huge fleet of ALX 300's sat somewhere ready to be pulled out of storage if they have a huge problem but Arriva don't have anything anywhere. Has to be a financial thing.

4705 is finished don’t think that one will see the road again. Various others have headed back out recently. 7401 is an ongoing saga with a rear axle I gather, replacement fitted was a low speed one which went predictably well on X93s. Think it managed two attempts at an X94 back in the summer and was never seen again!


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(16 Jan 2024, 11:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote 4705 is finished don’t think that one will see the road again. Various others have headed back out recently. 7401 is an ongoing saga with a rear axle I gather, replacement fitted was a low speed one which went predictably well on X93s. Think it managed two attempts at an X94 back in the summer and was never seen again!


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How come 4705 won't see service again.
And if there still on going issues with the rear axel issues with 7401 what els3 can be done. 
Are 7401-6 staying with redcar for their summer season

(16 Jan 2024, 11:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote 4705 is finished don’t think that one will see the road again. Various others have headed back out recently. 7401 is an ongoing saga with a rear axle I gather, replacement fitted was a low speed one which went predictably well on X93s. Think it managed two attempts at an X94 back in the summer and was never seen again!


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How come 4705 won't see service again.
And if there still on going issues with the rear axel issues with 7401 what els3 can be done. 
Are 7401-6 staying with redcar for their summer season

(17 Jan 2024, 4:20 pm)Ryland wrote How come 4705 won't see service again.
And if there still on going issues with the rear axel issues with 7401 what els3 can be done. 
Are 7401-6 staying with redcar for their summer season

4705 is going to be written off as the cost of repairs needed is far higher than the book value of the vehicle.

Yes, 7401-06 are staying for the summer.

I mean there is a slight probability that 4705 might get repaired. Other Temsas have been repaired in the past but has taken like 6 months +. Never say never with the Redcar fleet. It will be interesting to see how the B9TL's do this upcoming summer. I would imagine more summer loans again this year though.

(17 Jan 2024, 4:57 pm)Mike_98 wrote I mean there is a slight probability that 4705 might get repaired. Other Temsas have been repaired in the past but has taken like 6 months +. Never say never with the Redcar fleet. It will be interesting to see how the B9TL's do this upcoming summer. I would imagine more summer loans again this year though.

4705 is definitely not coming back.

(17 Jan 2024, 7:59 pm)RobinHood wrote 4705 is definitely not coming back.

will redcar see a replace for 4705

(17 Jan 2024, 8:52 pm)megansmith wrote will redcar see a replace for 4705

If it ain't returning then there should be a replacement. Probably one will get transferred from Stockton if 4705 does get scrapped.

(17 Jan 2024, 10:34 pm)Mike_98 wrote If it ain't returning then there should be a replacement. Probably one will get transferred from Stockton if 4705 does get scrapped.

1420 is freed up into reserve when the 15/16/17 changes happen at the end of the month. Wouldn’t bet against that finding its way to Redcar…!


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Why should Stockton give Redcar a pulsar to replace 4705 why can’t it be from another depot, 1420 could be a spare bus for Stockton unless they give Redcar 1414 as that should have moved to Redcar instead of 1534


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(20 Jan 2024, 2:16 am)Spottybus wrote Why should Stockton give Redcar a pulsar to replace 4705 why can’t it be from another depot, 1420 could be a spare bus for Stockton unless they give Redcar 1414 as that should have moved to Redcar instead of 1534


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because there should

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(17 Jan 2024, 10:35 pm)tyresmoke wrote 1420 is freed up into reserve when the 15/16/17 changes happen at the end of the month. Wouldn’t bet against that finding its way to Redcar…!


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hopefully 1420 dose transfer to Redcar it will be another great addition to Redcar

(20 Jan 2024, 9:21 am)megansmith wrote because there should

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hopefully 1420 dose transfer to Redcar it will be another great addition to Redcar

Great addition or failed addition like 1448/9

(20 Jan 2024, 9:24 am)Ryland wrote Great addition or failed addition like 1448/9

Probably Yh


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(20 Jan 2024, 9:31 am)Spottybus wrote Probably Yh


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 well Stockton maintance  isn't great

(20 Jan 2024, 9:24 am)Ryland wrote Great addition or failed addition like 1448/9

Tell me about it. I swear Redcar is just cursed. Never seem to have any luck go their way. Or maybe the Pulsars getting older can't handle the challenging routes. If they do start to get replacements for some broken temsas, I would imagine it would be random pulsars from anywhere and everywhere. Redcar is just an Old Bus dumping spot now. Would be nice to see more of these Enviro 300's Stockton apparently has got. Personally I would say bring back the Lites. Don't care what anyone says. They definitely were reliable at Redcar. (Except 1)