Reintroduction of Temporarily Reduced Services Back to Original Frequency
Reintroduction of Temporarily Reduced Services Back to Original Frequency
(22 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm)mb134 Likewise. All of the parties involved seem to be heavily promoting it, much more than I have seen with any other BSIP route, and you'd imagine Newcastle Airport are also promoting it to their staff.
As you say, it serves purposes other than simply Morpeth to Newcastle Airport, given it also serves the following employment/education sites as a few examples:
- Kirkley Hall (Northumberland College)
- Newcastle Aviation Academy (Newcastle College)
- Northumbria Police HQ
- Kingston Park Shops (new direct link from Ponteland, and Morpeth)
(22 Jan 2024, 10:23 pm)mb134 Likewise. All of the parties involved seem to be heavily promoting it, much more than I have seen with any other BSIP route, and you'd imagine Newcastle Airport are also promoting it to their staff.
As you say, it serves purposes other than simply Morpeth to Newcastle Airport, given it also serves the following employment/education sites as a few examples:
- Kirkley Hall (Northumberland College)
- Newcastle Aviation Academy (Newcastle College)
- Northumbria Police HQ
- Kingston Park Shops (new direct link from Ponteland, and Morpeth)
I agree new services not extending existing services
How about introducing night buses
In sunderland a South loop and a North loop
I would even say fund a 24hr metro around the loop only every 30 min in both directions with security
I would also use Haymarket bus station as a base and create a night service where one bus goes off around North Tyneside and back another one around the west End one around gateshead one around South Tyneside
However say all buses leave haymarket on the hour so they can connect with one another
Then an express bus from haymarket to Team Valley then A1 to Amazon and Nissan
This would create a network for the evening economy of shift workers and nightshift
Team Valley is one of the largest employed industrial estates but the majority start at 2am 4am 5am 6am shifts
There is a 91 bus service that goes from North Tyneside to Team Valley goes round battlehill Wallsend walker byker newcastle but is about 5am
No good for people seeking work and reply on buses or finishing work
I would also look at more links using the Tyne Tunnel
Say a new bus service
Washington Galleries- Amazon - Nissan- then A19 to Jarrow Bus Station - through tunnel to Wallsend bus station up Station Road to battlehill but join coast road at battlehill to silverlink /A19 junction to create a link at silverlink then into cobalt and Northumberland Park
This would actually create many links
New Blyth line at Northumberland Park to connect
A quick access from Cobalt to Northumberland Park Metro or Wallsend (handy and quicker link between two lines even physchologically)
Wallsend bus station connects communities with Cobalt as well as Jarrow (currently takes over an hour to get from Jarrow to Wallsend ) Jarrow then has a link to North of the tyne to go to wallsend as oppose to North Shields - Jarrow then has a link to Amazon Nissan and Washington
Creating a quick link from Washington go Amazon assists the Southern part
For the service to be successful it must be express with limited stops
(22 Jan 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Yeah, that's what I heard aswell and being part of the Metro Zones aswell.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Yeah, that's what I heard aswell and being part of the Metro Zones aswell.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Say a new bus service
Washington Galleries- Amazon - Nissan- then A19 to Jarrow Bus Station - through tunnel to Wallsend bus station up Station Road to battlehill but join coast road at battlehill to silverlink /A19 junction to create a link at silverlink then into cobalt and Northumberland Park
(22 Jan 2024, 10:27 pm)Aaron21 I hope that network 1 and tne decide to make the ticket valid on trains to Ashington. Hell the Explorer can be valid to Middlesbrough/Hexham or Morpeth on the train. Like why pay £12.70 to ride a Northern for the same price you ride it for £9.10
(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Say a new bus service
Washington Galleries- Amazon - Nissan- then A19 to Jarrow Bus Station - through tunnel to Wallsend bus station up Station Road to battlehill but join coast road at battlehill to silverlink /A19 junction to create a link at silverlink then into cobalt and Northumberland Park
(22 Jan 2024, 10:27 pm)Aaron21 I hope that network 1 and tne decide to make the ticket valid on trains to Ashington. Hell the Explorer can be valid to Middlesbrough/Hexham or Morpeth on the train. Like why pay £12.70 to ride a Northern for the same price you ride it for £9.10
(22 Jan 2024, 10:41 pm)Storx I've always thought that the 19 should go through the tunnel vs to North Shields, the buses are almost always dead and there's already Cobalt to North Shields links anyway with the 310/353/354
Probably the best thing you could do is send the 9 through the tunnel to Percy Main and extend it onto the 19 through to Cramlington, obviously you'd have to break the interworking of the 9/5/24 though but it would open loads of areas to Cobalt, and if you did need to go to Nissan you could always change onto the 50 at Boldon.
Yeah let's hope to be honest. Mind not sure Arriva would be too happy for obvious reasons.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:41 pm)Storx I've always thought that the 19 should go through the tunnel vs to North Shields, the buses are almost always dead and there's already Cobalt to North Shields links anyway with the 310/353/354
Probably the best thing you could do is send the 9 through the tunnel to Percy Main and extend it onto the 19 through to Cramlington, obviously you'd have to break the interworking of the 9/5/24 though but it would open loads of areas to Cobalt, and if you did need to go to Nissan you could always change onto the 50 at Boldon.
Yeah let's hope to be honest. Mind not sure Arriva would be too happy for obvious reasons.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:45 pm)Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it.
Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(22 Jan 2024, 10:45 pm)Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it.
Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(22 Jan 2024, 10:51 pm)Storx Must admit the 10/11 combination is a bit bizarre, can't really see the connections it makes as it doesn't serve anything really, definitely an operational thing. Going to disagree with the 9 going to Shields on a purely selfish basis as I live on the 19 route and it'd be nice for a cross river route
Talking about BSIP though, the 19 should run in the evenings and Sunday to give East Cramlington, the new hospital and the new estates near Northumberland Park a bus service, could be easily be done by dropping the rest of the route to hourly. There's nothing on all 3 currently and run it until 9pm or so.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:51 pm)Storx Must admit the 10/11 combination is a bit bizarre, can't really see the connections it makes as it doesn't serve anything really, definitely an operational thing. Going to disagree with the 9 going to Shields on a purely selfish basis as I live on the 19 route and it'd be nice for a cross river route
Talking about BSIP though, the 19 should run in the evenings and Sunday to give East Cramlington, the new hospital and the new estates near Northumberland Park a bus service, could be easily be done by dropping the rest of the route to hourly. There's nothing on all 3 currently and run it until 9pm or so.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)Aaron21 I remember when the 42A was cut from the airport. A lot of people I knew who used it were not happy and had to travel into town or Regent Centre to get a busThat's interesting as I heard some talk last year that there was a possibility of one of the 44 or 45 going to the Airport when Arriva eventually sorted out their driver shortages.
In my honest opinion. It wouldn't shock me March throws up more links to the airport. Biggest by far is the 44 & 45 as they ain't far from it.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)Aaron21 I remember when the 42A was cut from the airport. A lot of people I knew who used it were not happy and had to travel into town or Regent Centre to get a busThat's interesting as I heard some talk last year that there was a possibility of one of the 44 or 45 going to the Airport when Arriva eventually sorted out their driver shortages.
In my honest opinion. It wouldn't shock me March throws up more links to the airport. Biggest by far is the 44 & 45 as they ain't far from it.
(22 Jan 2024, 11:29 pm)Shrek That's interesting as I heard some talk last year that there was a possibility of one of the 44 or 45 going to the Airport when Arriva eventually sorted out their driver shortages.
There was a lot of complaints from local Councillors after the 42A stopped serving Dinnington. It isn't as convenient as getting the 42a without changing, but the extension of either the 44 or 45 to Airport would add an extra link for local residents to connect with Tesco at Kingston Park which was a regular use for 42a passengers.
(22 Jan 2024, 11:29 pm)Shrek That's interesting as I heard some talk last year that there was a possibility of one of the 44 or 45 going to the Airport when Arriva eventually sorted out their driver shortages.
There was a lot of complaints from local Councillors after the 42A stopped serving Dinnington. It isn't as convenient as getting the 42a without changing, but the extension of either the 44 or 45 to Airport would add an extra link for local residents to connect with Tesco at Kingston Park which was a regular use for 42a passengers.
Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it. Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(22 Jan 2024, 10:47 pm)Unber43 Really the 5 could been bolted onto the Q3, and the 9 goes all the way through to AShington when the 19 used to go there all the time
(22 Jan 2024, 10:51 pm)Storx Must admit the 10/11 combination is a bit bizarre, can't really see the connections it makes as it doesn't serve anything really, definitely an operational thing. Going to disagree with the 9 going to Shields on a purely selfish basis as I live on the 19 route and it'd be nice for a cross river route
Talking about BSIP though, the 19 should run in the evenings and Sunday to give East Cramlington, the new hospital and the new estates near Northumberland Park a bus service, could be easily be done by dropping the rest of the route to hourly. There's nothing on all 3 currently and run it until 9pm or so.
I am going to respond to some earlier comments;
Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it. Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(22 Jan 2024, 10:47 pm)Unber43 Really the 5 could been bolted onto the Q3, and the 9 goes all the way through to AShington when the 19 used to go there all the time
(22 Jan 2024, 10:51 pm)Storx Must admit the 10/11 combination is a bit bizarre, can't really see the connections it makes as it doesn't serve anything really, definitely an operational thing. Going to disagree with the 9 going to Shields on a purely selfish basis as I live on the 19 route and it'd be nice for a cross river route
Talking about BSIP though, the 19 should run in the evenings and Sunday to give East Cramlington, the new hospital and the new estates near Northumberland Park a bus service, could be easily be done by dropping the rest of the route to hourly. There's nothing on all 3 currently and run it until 9pm or so.
(22 Jan 2024, 11:36 pm)Aaron21 It will make sense to send the 44/45 to Airport. Gives people in Dinnington the link to Airport and a quick metro to Kingston Park
Even another one being the Q3 to Kingston Park. I heard this rumours for ages and it would happen when the new road opened. The new road has opened so possibly if the Q3 is cut along Osborne Road frees up the chance for the Q3 to go to Kingston Park. Even for the people of Great Park to use the bus to go there insted of riding the Q3 to Regent to swap to a metro
(22 Jan 2024, 11:36 pm)Aaron21 It will make sense to send the 44/45 to Airport. Gives people in Dinnington the link to Airport and a quick metro to Kingston Park
Even another one being the Q3 to Kingston Park. I heard this rumours for ages and it would happen when the new road opened. The new road has opened so possibly if the Q3 is cut along Osborne Road frees up the chance for the Q3 to go to Kingston Park. Even for the people of Great Park to use the bus to go there insted of riding the Q3 to Regent to swap to a metro
(22 Jan 2024, 10:24 pm)Adrian It makes sense. It happens in Manchester and West Yorkshire, where multi-modal tickets can be purchased for the whole PTE area.
Mayor Driscoll wants to bring this in for the North East, per his manifesto and the public meetings he's been doing.
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(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)mb134 I'm not sure the people who are meant to be delivering it know either.
Oh wait, you meant ticketing...
(22 Jan 2024, 11:27 pm)Aaron21 If bsip goes to the 19. I can't see gct running it. It's always puzzle me why the 19 lost an evening service as mentioned it was due to low passenger numbers. But the 19 serves area like Silverlink (Cinema) late working at Cobalt & gives Percy Main & Northumberland Park area a bus service on an evening. Northumberland Park to me is always a slow depression area. It's serverd by 1 bus service next to the metro station and doesn't. Bet u when the line opens. More bus services Will stop at that bus stop
(22 Jan 2024, 11:43 pm)logidoodah 3) The 10/11 is a contract as stated before except they merged the contracts of Primrose - Jarrow - North Shields (both 30 mins). Cost wise this is beneficial for Nexus and actually has decent numbers using it from when I've used it can be up to 10 people (not bad for a contract).
Overall I think the 10/11 should be kept the same and the 19+9 merger would be interesting to see the viability of it. But as with anything comes down to promotion/cost/reliability and most importantly going where people need to be. The 9 is a bizarre route currently due to be chopped and chopped then extended then merged with 61 then reverted to what it is now. Shame because there is definitely potential to extend or even increase the freq as it definitely makes healthy money.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:24 pm)Adrian It makes sense. It happens in Manchester and West Yorkshire, where multi-modal tickets can be purchased for the whole PTE area.
Mayor Driscoll wants to bring this in for the North East, per his manifesto and the public meetings he's been doing.
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(22 Jan 2024, 10:25 pm)mb134 I'm not sure the people who are meant to be delivering it know either.
Oh wait, you meant ticketing...
(22 Jan 2024, 11:27 pm)Aaron21 If bsip goes to the 19. I can't see gct running it. It's always puzzle me why the 19 lost an evening service as mentioned it was due to low passenger numbers. But the 19 serves area like Silverlink (Cinema) late working at Cobalt & gives Percy Main & Northumberland Park area a bus service on an evening. Northumberland Park to me is always a slow depression area. It's serverd by 1 bus service next to the metro station and doesn't. Bet u when the line opens. More bus services Will stop at that bus stop
(22 Jan 2024, 11:43 pm)logidoodah 3) The 10/11 is a contract as stated before except they merged the contracts of Primrose - Jarrow - North Shields (both 30 mins). Cost wise this is beneficial for Nexus and actually has decent numbers using it from when I've used it can be up to 10 people (not bad for a contract).
Overall I think the 10/11 should be kept the same and the 19+9 merger would be interesting to see the viability of it. But as with anything comes down to promotion/cost/reliability and most importantly going where people need to be. The 9 is a bizarre route currently due to be chopped and chopped then extended then merged with 61 then reverted to what it is now. Shame because there is definitely potential to extend or even increase the freq as it definitely makes healthy money.
(22 Jan 2024, 9:28 pm)Storx Let's just spend all the tax payer funds on commercial routes while other people have the square root of nothing.
BSIP should be going nowhere near any of those routes. It should be spent on stuff like the 25 to Langley Park, 56/57/58 in Co. Durham which are infrequent, evening services that don't exist ie. 57 throughout, the X24/X34 Sunday service which never existed, new routes to open new opportunities ie 777 in Morpeth.
Not frequent corridors.
(22 Jan 2024, 9:28 pm)Storx Let's just spend all the tax payer funds on commercial routes while other people have the square root of nothing.
BSIP should be going nowhere near any of those routes. It should be spent on stuff like the 25 to Langley Park, 56/57/58 in Co. Durham which are infrequent, evening services that don't exist ie. 57 throughout, the X24/X34 Sunday service which never existed, new routes to open new opportunities ie 777 in Morpeth.
Not frequent corridors.
The thing with BSIP is that it’s being administered by the same people who have overseen a total collapse in the network or who have never been on a bus in their lives.
We need more buses for those 9-5 office based workers!
Newcastle to Sunderland only has a metro, a northern rail service and the worlds slowest bus..let’s add more buses, that sounds an idea
(25 Jan 2024, 9:44 pm)Jimmi Agreed! Especially when it comes to the more southern parts of County Durham which have really suffered in the last few years with reduced frequencies and lost links
56 - down from half hourly to hourly, the few times I've seen the 56 heading to/from Tindle Crescent before/after Bishop Auckland Town Centre has been dead every time I've seen it, surely would be better to run the 56 half hourly from Bishop Auckland to Coundon at least like it was doing through COVID. Amazing how it was 4 bph not so long ago with the 18 & 56 between Coundon & Bishop.
35A - which is essentially the evening version of the 8/8A/56, was cut down from hourly to every 2 hours in COVID and then when Hodgsons took over, the service was cut to finish at around 10pm meaning the last Ferryhill to Bishop Auckland and Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill trips were withdrawn, this was said to be a temporary measure due to staffing issues when they took on the contract but shows no signs of a return.
8 - parts of Chilton & Ferryhill plus Kirk Merrington and parts of Spennymoor lost their service on a Sunday.
West Cornforth - as well as the reduction of the 56 to hourly and loss of Sunday Service due to 56 now terminating at Coxhoe, the direct link to Spennymoor was lost when Scarlet Band closed - also means Green Lane in Spennymoor went from 3 Buses an hour (8A/112/113) to 1 (8A - 112 withdrawn and 113 terminating at Ferryhill) with 8A now dropping out on school days to run school service 865.
Link between Newton Aycliffe and Sedgefield lost with the X22 replacing the X21 but only as far as Sedgefield, meaning direct journeys from the likes of Fishburn to Aycliffe/Darlo have been lost.
Parts of Shildon now unserved.
Sadly seems these areas ain't going to get a look in, despite the MP for some of the areas claiming to be taking action as suggested in sponsored Facebook posts.
(25 Jan 2024, 9:44 pm)Jimmi Agreed! Especially when it comes to the more southern parts of County Durham which have really suffered in the last few years with reduced frequencies and lost links
56 - down from half hourly to hourly, the few times I've seen the 56 heading to/from Tindle Crescent before/after Bishop Auckland Town Centre has been dead every time I've seen it, surely would be better to run the 56 half hourly from Bishop Auckland to Coundon at least like it was doing through COVID. Amazing how it was 4 bph not so long ago with the 18 & 56 between Coundon & Bishop.
35A - which is essentially the evening version of the 8/8A/56, was cut down from hourly to every 2 hours in COVID and then when Hodgsons took over, the service was cut to finish at around 10pm meaning the last Ferryhill to Bishop Auckland and Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill trips were withdrawn, this was said to be a temporary measure due to staffing issues when they took on the contract but shows no signs of a return.
8 - parts of Chilton & Ferryhill plus Kirk Merrington and parts of Spennymoor lost their service on a Sunday.
West Cornforth - as well as the reduction of the 56 to hourly and loss of Sunday Service due to 56 now terminating at Coxhoe, the direct link to Spennymoor was lost when Scarlet Band closed - also means Green Lane in Spennymoor went from 3 Buses an hour (8A/112/113) to 1 (8A - 112 withdrawn and 113 terminating at Ferryhill) with 8A now dropping out on school days to run school service 865.
Link between Newton Aycliffe and Sedgefield lost with the X22 replacing the X21 but only as far as Sedgefield, meaning direct journeys from the likes of Fishburn to Aycliffe/Darlo have been lost.
Parts of Shildon now unserved.
Sadly seems these areas ain't going to get a look in, despite the MP for some of the areas claiming to be taking action as suggested in sponsored Facebook posts.
(22 Jan 2024, 10:45 pm)Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it.The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(22 Jan 2024, 10:45 pm)Aaron21 I've always wanted the 9 to return to North Shields but with the 10/11 now going to the hub. Don't know how stagecoach would take it.The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Reading through old timetables showed the 5 to Wallsend & the 9 to North Shields. Them were the days. Don't think we will ever see that
(26 Jan 2024, 10:34 am)V514DFT The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Where did the 19 go so wrong, wasnt it (once upon a time) every 15 minutes
(26 Jan 2024, 10:34 am)V514DFT The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Where did the 19 go so wrong, wasnt it (once upon a time) every 15 minutes
(26 Jan 2024, 10:34 am)V514DFT The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Where did the 19 go so wrong, wasnt it (once upon a time) every 15 minutes
(26 Jan 2024, 10:34 am)V514DFT The 5 never went to Wallsend at all, Wallsend had the 9, North Shields had the 9A, then it was renumbered to 59 and 59A respectively, then there was no bus at all, then the 9 was brought back to run to North Shields, then the 5 took over in 2018, then was replaced by what it is now with the 10/11
Where did the 19 go so wrong, wasnt it (once upon a time) every 15 minutes
