(12 Jul 2024, 10:25 pm)Ambassador wrote I’d assume if they are announcing the Q3 changes that they have worked with nexus and everyone’s favourite mildly incompetent PTE are on board

I’d say there is something needed in the Wallsend side of the Q3(St peters-wallsend) because it is horrible in terms of the timings as loads of the buses terminate at st. Peters and you can see that wallsend side is not served at all on Sundays and in the morning there is 1 bus every hour.I think gne needs to do something about that area.

And also need to increase the amount of Q3X bus services as well.

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Ambassador wrote
I’d assume if they are announcing the Q3 changes that they have worked with nexus and everyone’s favourite mildly incompetent PTE are on board

I would normally stick up for NEXUS but after riding the 28a from toon yesterday and at gateshead following the 82 all the way down the fell and they to the gold medal I now coming to the conclusion that something is seriously wrong with them!

The X9 should be reintroduced, it complimented the X10 nicely, and both services could omit sections as before meaning quicker journey times.

It used to be a pleasure getting the X10 from Middlesbrough to Newcastle, now it is more of a chore with crowded buses and a long journey diverting through Billingham and Peterlee.

(22 Oct 2024, 7:40 am)tvd wrote The X9 should be reintroduced, it complimented the X10 nicely, and both services could omit sections as before meaning quicker journey times.

It used to be a pleasure getting the X10 from Middlesbrough to Newcastle, now it is more of a chore with crowded buses and a long journey diverting through Billingham and Peterlee.

I don't understand the reason why the X9 needs to come back when for the past 2/3 years. Everyone has gotten used to the X10 serving both Peterlee & Dalton Park. So no it shouldn't 

X10 should be increased to every 30 minutes. I don't understand what bringing the X9 back would make a difference.

(22 Oct 2024, 7:40 am)tvd wrote The X9 should be reintroduced, it complimented the X10 nicely, and both services could omit sections as before meaning quicker journey times.

It used to be a pleasure getting the X10 from Middlesbrough to Newcastle, now it is more of a chore with crowded buses and a long journey diverting through Billingham and Peterlee.

I'm not sure it's really needed. People doing Middlesbrough to Newcastle should really be using the train imo. 

So the improvements should be there instead. 

A short X10 from Peterlee to Newcastle wouldn't be the worst idea though using 2 extra buses. It's the sort of place where BSIP should've been used, not propping stuff up like the 21.

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(21 Oct 2024, 6:23 pm)BusEnthusiast.com wrote I’d say there is something needed in the Wallsend side of the Q3(St peters-wallsend) because it is horrible in terms of the timings as loads of the buses terminate at st. Peters and you can see that wallsend side is not served at all on Sundays and in the morning there is 1 bus every hour.I think gne needs to do something about that area.

And also need to increase the amount of Q3X bus services as well.

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The Q3 shouldn't exist at all from St Peters to Wallsend imo. The 18 should be doing that instead.

My tax shouldn't be funding 5 buses an hour along there it's just totally stupid.

You could then fund the full 18 route on an evening and Sundays with a PVR 2 instead of the short service which exists currently.

(22 Oct 2024, 10:50 am)Storx wrote I'm not sure it's really needed. People doing Middlesbrough to Newcastle should really be using the train imo. 

So the improvements should be there instead. 

A short X10 from Peterlee to Newcastle wouldn't be the worst idea though using 2 extra buses. It's the sort of place where BSIP should've been used, not propping stuff up like the 21.

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The Q3 shouldn't exist at all from St Peters to Wallsend imo. The 18 should be doing that instead.

My tax shouldn't be funding 5 buses an hour along there it's just totally stupid.

You could then fund the full 18 route on an evening and Sundays with a PVR 2 instead of the short service which exists currently.

Phaaaaaaaaaa train to Middlesbrough to Newcastle next joke trains are always cancelled  so I'm for one the x9 needs bringing back !!!

(22 Oct 2024, 10:50 am)Storx / wrote I'm not sure it's really needed. People doing Middlesbrough to Newcastle should really be using the train imo. 

So the improvements should be there instead. 

A short X10 from Peterlee to Newcastle wouldn't be the worst idea though using 2 extra buses. It's the sort of place where BSIP should've been used, not propping stuff up like the 21.

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The Q3 shouldn't exist at all from St Peters to Wallsend imo. The 18 should be doing that instead.

My tax shouldn't be funding 5 buses an hour along there it's just totally stupid.

You could then fund the full 18 route on an evening and Sundays with a PVR 2 instead of the short service which exists currently.

Yeah I do understand this opinion as the 18 is in desperate need of upgrading and awful as well as the Q3.I just raised the opinion because I take the q3 from regent centre and on some days I can’t take the bvus because it terminates at st peters
but I totally agree there does need to be something done about the 18.And also between St Peter’s and wallsend there isn’t actually very many people (excluding me),only 3 or 4 people on weekdays.

(22 Oct 2024, 5:52 pm)BusEnthusiast.com wrote Yeah I do understand this opinion as the 18 is in desperate need of upgrading and awful as well as the Q3.I just raised the opinion because I take the q3 from regent centre and on some days I can’t take the bvus because it terminates at st peters
but I totally agree there does need to be something done about the 18.And also between St Peter’s and wallsend there isn’t actually very many people (excluding me),only 3 or 4 people on weekdays.

Yeah personally if I had it, I'd do:

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
18: Extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18: Full Route, Benton Square to Wallsend (PVR +1)

Would be pretty much PVR neutral but offer the 18 unique sections a bus route every day instead covered by the oversaturation from St Peters to Walker, in particular.

Alternatively, working with Stagecoach otherwise I'd say if you wanted to tidy things up a bit and improve services

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
6/7: Extended back to Benton Square via Dovedale Gardens (PVR +1)
18: All board run to Quorum, extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18A: Full Route, Four Lane Ends to Wallsend, Extend to Benton Square instead of Quorum (PVR +1)

(22 Oct 2024, 6:29 pm)Storx wrote Yeah personally if I had it, I'd do:

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
18: Extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18: Full Route, Benton Square to Wallsend (PVR +1)

Would be pretty much PVR neutral but offer the 18 unique sections a bus route every day instead covered by the oversaturation from St Peters to Walker, in particular.

Alternatively, working with Stagecoach otherwise I'd say if you wanted to tidy things up a bit and improve services

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
6/7: Extended back to Benton Square via Dovedale Gardens (PVR +1)
18: All board run to Quorum, extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18A: Full Route, Four Lane Ends to Wallsend, Extend to Benton Square instead of Quorum (PVR +1)

The 18 if, of course, a route fully tendered and specified by Nexus

(22 Oct 2024, 8:52 pm)busmanT wrote The 18 if, of course, a route fully tendered and specified by Nexus

I know, the Q3 is also contracted by Nexus aswell from St Peter's to Wallsend. No reason why they can't tender that out if they thought they could get better value elsewhere.

I'm going to assume the second one is the price for it aswell since it doesn't run on a Sunday:


The Nexus 18 contract at the same date was only £850 for a PVR 3, so assuming they'd go for the same rate that would work out cheaper at around £280 aswell.

(22 Oct 2024, 3:45 pm)Mark66t wrote Phaaaaaaaaaa train to Middlesbrough to Newcastle next joke trains are always cancelled  so I'm for one the x9 needs bringing back !!!

Btw forgot to reply to this, I know. Personally I'd rather see the Newcastle - Chester Le Street - Durham - (Ferryhill) - Thornaby - Middlesbrough service that was planned before COVID kicked in. It was going to be only 50 minute from end to end so a massive speed boost and would link up Durham and Teesside which are currently unserved at all without a change.

Not sure what the real reason why it got scrapped was, believe pathing issues.

(22 Oct 2024, 6:29 pm)Storx wrote Yeah personally if I had it, I'd do:

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
18: Extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18: Full Route, Benton Square to Wallsend (PVR +1)

Would be pretty much PVR neutral but offer the 18 unique sections a bus route every day instead covered by the oversaturation from St Peters to Walker, in particular.

Alternatively, working with Stagecoach otherwise I'd say if you wanted to tidy things up a bit and improve services

Monday - Saturday Daytimes
6/7: Extended back to Benton Square via Dovedale Gardens (PVR +1)
18: All board run to Quorum, extended to Wallsend via Q3 Route (PVR +1)
Q3: Terminate short at St Peter's (PVR -2)

Evenings / Sundays:
18A: Full Route, Four Lane Ends to Wallsend, Extend to Benton Square instead of Quorum (PVR +1)

Whats Benton Square, do you mean the turning circle at the end of Hailsham Avenue by the school, cus when i hear Benton Square I immediately think of the industrial estate near Palmersville

(24 Oct 2024, 3:32 pm)V514DFT wrote Whats Benton Square, do you mean the turning circle at the end of Hailsham Avenue by the school, cus when i hear Benton Square I immediately think of the industrial estate near Palmersville

Aye you're right sorry that is Benton Square. Benton Estate even. Not sure how I got them mixed up.

x21 took a strange route to newcastle last night. came off at a team vally south and went up towards low fell via the gold medal.

(25 Oct 2024, 8:45 am)Rob44 wrote x21 took a strange route to newcastle last night. came off at a team vally south and went up towards low fell via the gold medal.

Probably related to tge demolition of the old allerdene bridge.

(25 Oct 2024, 12:08 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Probably related to tge demolition of the old allerdene bridge.

Ah i forrgot about that although i though they were only working on that when the trains had finich running at midnight.  Just seemed strange seeining a x21 in that area