(06 Apr 2014, 5:27 pm)aureolin wrote On another note I was watching WWE Vintage on SS3 earlier. Had a few Razor Ramon matches, including the ladder match at WrestleMania 10. I remember watching that back in 94 haha

I almost forgot that Razor Ramon was inducted into the 2014 Hall of Fame last night.

My first memory of Scott Hall was as The Diamond Studd in WCW. I didn't see the whole of his WCW run as this character (1991-92) but I do recall watching Paul E. Dangerously trying to recruit him as a member of The Dangerous Alliance back in 1992 when WCW used to air on ITV. As WCW programming in the UK was a couple of months behind the US version, the Dangerous Alliance recruitment angle aired at (more or less) the same time when the WWF promoted a series of vignettes featuring a new wrestler going by the name of Razor Ramon. It was quite strange to see him appearing on both shows at the same time.

Although the character of Razor Ramon is fondly remembered, his run only lasted for around four years (05/92 - 05/96, IIRC). He managed to produce a fine body of work during that period, including those two ladder matches with Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania X and SummerSlam '95, which were arguably the best of his career. I don't think his time in the nWo topped that.

(06 Apr 2014, 5:36 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Just read on WrestlingRumours.Net The Rock in New Orleans for Wrestlemania Tonight and will be involved in an angle on the Show, No idea what though as it said he was Rehearsing for it, Quote said it will be Special, Got a feeling they'll announce Rock vs Brock for WM31.

If what you speculate is true, then, presumably, The Rock is going to be directly involved in either the finish or the aftermath of the Brock/Undertaker match tonight. This would probably mean that Brock is going over as I doubt think they'll taint The Undertaker's streak with some sort of cheap finish involving a run-in from The Rock. Also, if Rock/Brock is announced for WM31, then it doesn't make sense to have one half of your main-event lose, does it?

(06 Apr 2014, 6:06 pm)AdamY wrote I almost forgot that Razor Ramon was inducted into the 2014 Hall of Fame last night.

My first memory of Scott Hall was as The Diamond Studd in WCW. I didn't see the whole of his WCW run as this character (1991-92) but I do recall watching Paul E. Dangerously trying to recruit him as a member of The Dangerous Alliance back in 1992 when WCW used to air on ITV. As WCW programming in the UK was a couple of months behind the US version, the Dangerous Alliance recruitment angle aired at (more or less) the same time when the WWF promoted a series of vignettes featuring a new wrestler going by the name of Razor Ramon. It was quite strange to see him appearing on both shows at the same time.

Although the character of Razor Ramon is fondly remembered, his run only lasted for around four years (05/92 - 05/96, IIRC). He managed to produce a fine body of work during that period, including those two ladder matches with Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania X and SummerSlam '95, which were arguably the best of his career. I don't think his time in the nWo topped that.

He was a great singles wrestler, but a lot of time in the nWo saw him overshadowed by bigger stars. Mainly Hogan and Nash. Even in the Wolfpac, he had to contend with the likes of Luger and Sting. WCW had so much main event talent in the mid to late 90s though, which prevented him getting the push he perhaps deserved.

Was watching this from Hall of Fame. Quality.

I really want to see The Ultimate Warrior's HOF induction speech.

Although he comes across a bit chicken-oriental at times, he definitely deserves to be there.

He was certainly unique. He wasn't a great wrestler and delivered some of the most incomprehensible promos of his era, but his charisma and presence was something else.

I doubt we'll ever see anyone else like him in wrestling again.

Just finished watching Wrestlemania 30 and it was Awesome, Daniel Bryan beat HHH to go into a 3-Way with Orton and Batista, Bryan got Batista Bombed into an RKO through the Spanish Announce Table at one point during the Match which Awesome, Bryan was then Stretchered out as far the end of the Ramp, before getting off it and continuing on to make Batista Tap Out for the Win.

The other Major point of the Event for the shock of night in Undertaker losing to Brock Lesnar and going 21-1, The Crowd reaction was simply amazing, the looks on there faces a stroke of pure genius from WWE, in the way that they bought into what had just transpired, Undertaker got a standing ovation from the Crowd as he got up and walked out.

Elsewhere The Shield destroyed Kane and the New Age Outlaws in about 3 Minutes, AJ Retained the Divas Title in a 14 Way to the disgust of Vickie Guerrero, Cesaro picked up the Big Show and slung over the top rope to win the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal and there was no sign of Rusev in the Battle Royal either, Also Super Cena beat Bray Wyatt and the Usos retained The Tag Titles, As for The Rock/Stone Cold and Hogan the Kicked off the Show exchanging pleasantries and saying there catchphrases and drank a few cold ones and left, and there was no sign of CM Punk or Sting.

(07 Apr 2014, 5:35 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote The other Major point of the Event for the shock of night in Undertaker losing to Brock Lesnar and going 21-1, The Crowd reaction was simply amazing, the looks on there faces a stroke of pure genius from WWE, in the way that they bought into what had just transpired, Undertaker got a standing ovation from the Crowd as he got up and walked out.

I guess I was the only one not surprised by this. This was the correct result in my opinion. The Undertaker should not be able to beat Brock Lesnar at this stage of his career. The seeds of this loss were planted many moons ago - just after Lesnar suffered a loss to Cain Velasquez at UFC 121 back in 2010.

Just watched it myself earlier, there was no surprises at all, I had a feeling Daniel Bryan would get the straps after HHH knocked 7 shades out of him...

I hope they give Daniel Bryan a good run as Champ, the fans certainly want it and I think he can go on to being up there with the best, he is probably 1 of the more marketable wrestlers and probably shifts a shit load of merchandise.

As for the Streak, if anyone was going to halt it, it was Lesnar, I have never really been a big Lesnar fan, but the match was good, I feel they should give him a serious push now, maybe put him in a programme with Daniel Bryan, Lesnar is in a hell of a position now...

As for the year ahead, I would like to see Lesnar go against Cena and The Rock to build to a big triple threat match at WrestleMania XXXI...

I can't wait to see the post-Wrestlemania RAW.

The last two have arguably more eventful than Wrestlemania itself.

I hope someone gets brought up from NXT. I doubt it'll be Newcastle's own Adrian Neville, but we might get Bo Dallas, Sami Zayn or Paige.

The looks on peoples faces when Lesnar won, absolutely priceless, they looked like they had just caught someone wanking a dog off, absolute shock and disbelief

(07 Apr 2014, 9:03 pm)AdamY wrote I can't wait to see the post-Wrestlemania RAW.

The last two have arguably more eventful than Wrestlemania itself.

I hope someone gets brought up from NXT. I doubt it'll be Newcastle's own Adrian Neville, but we might get Bo Dallas, Sami Zayn or Paige.

In regards to Raw Tonight I have read RVD is to Return and we could see the Debut on Sting(Hopefully but I doubtful) but if it does it will relate to Undertaker, also hopefully something shocking will happen in a segment which will lead to CM Punk coming out, something Daniel Bryan/Authority Related would be Perfect. Cesaro will have a Big Impact I think Tonight, Hopefully we'll see some NXT Talents come up, Paige should come up immediately in my opinion and tear AJ Lee apart.

Paige has just made her Raw Debut against AJ Lee and won the Divas Championship ending AJ's 295 Day Reign, Rusev also faced Zack Ryder and there has been Promos for Bo Dallas and Adam Rose, also Bad News Barrett beat Rey Mysterio in his Match in over Year, and RVD returned also, and we still have Daniel Bryan vs HHH for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship in the Main Event.

Cesaro is a Paul Heyman Guy and the WWEWHC Match didn't even get started, Orton/Batista and Kane attacked Bryan, Then HHH came out to finish the Job, only for The Shield to come out and turn on the Authority and attack Orton/Batista and Kane, Roman Reigns also speared HHH in the Process, Bryan/The Shield stood tall in the ring to end the show.

Now i'm going to get some sleep as I have my Appeal/Grievance meeting at 0800 Repair in under 12 Hours.

I haven't seen the vignettes on RAW for Adam Rose, but I do hope he gets to keep his NXT entrance.



Cesaro is the perfect Paul Heyman guy. It's also a strange (and interesting) dynamic with Cesaro being positioned as a face and Heyman portraying the heel manager role. This could turn into something special.

The Shield need to stay together until at least the Survivor Series. If Roman Reigns is indeed the next big thing, this run as the foil to HHH's group of cronies should cement it. I would like to see their association with Daniel Bryan continue too. I've got a feeling it's going to be Roman Reigns against Daniel Bryan for the belt at Wrestlemania 31.

I'm also pleased to see both Paige and Alexander Russev making their debuts. I quite like Lana too - there's something about an Eastern European accent I like (even though she's American!).

(08 Apr 2014, 10:42 am)AdamY wrote I haven't seen the vignettes on RAW for Adam Rose, but I do hope he gets to keep his NXT entrance.



Cesaro is the perfect Paul Heyman guy. It's also a strange (and interesting) dynamic with Cesaro being positioned as a face and Heyman portraying the heel manager role. This could turn into something special.

The Shield need to stay together until at least the Survivor Series. If Roman Reigns is indeed the next big thing, this run as the foil to HHH's group of cronies should cement it. I would like to see their association with Daniel Bryan continue too. I've got a feeling it's going to be Roman Reigns against Daniel Bryan for the belt at Wrestlemania 31.

I'm also pleased to see both Paige and Alexander Russev making their debuts. I quite like Lana too - there's something about an Eastern European accent I like (even though she's American!).

I have something about Eastern European, some are mind blowingly gorgeous...My username(Marxista Fozzski) comes from having a thing about Russian chicks

(08 Apr 2014, 3:26 pm)marxistafozzski wrote I have something about Eastern European, some are mind blowingly gorgeous...My username(Marxista Fozzski) comes from having a thing about Russian chicks

The thing is, her real name is something like Catherine Joy Perry - a name which couldn't be any further away from the character she portrays. I hope she can keep the accept up.

Here's a link to some images available of her on Google.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=catherine+joy+perry&espv=2&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0jNEU5-ELsasO__IgHA&ved=0CDwQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=499

Very nice indeed!

Didn't realise he was still alive, bearing in mind he was one of the batch I heard of years ago - but apparently the Ultimate Warrior has just died.

(09 Apr 2014, 6:37 am)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Didn't realise he was still alive, bearing in mind he was one of the batch I heard of years ago - but apparently the Ultimate Warrior has just died.

I was just this minute reading about that.

I can't really say I'm massively shocked about this although the timing is quite significant given his recent HOF induction.

I'm glad he finally got the chance to make peace with the fed and his fanbase before he died.

(09 Apr 2014, 6:55 am)AdamY wrote I was just this minute reading about that.

I can't really say I'm massively shocked about this although the timing is quite significant given his recent HOF induction.

I'm glad he finally got the chance to make peace with the fed and his fanbase before he died.

Speaking a foreign language to me there Adam. Genuinely have no idea about wrestling. To put into context, the only HOF I know about appeared in Knight Rider and Baywatch.

*Sidles off after making his annual contribution to the wrestling thread.

(09 Apr 2014, 7:04 am)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Speaking a foreign language to me there Adam. Genuinely have no idea about wrestling. To put into context, the only HOF I know about appeared in Knight Rider and Baywatch.

*Sidles off after making his annual contribution to the wrestling thread.

HOF = Hall of Fame. He was inducted into the WWE's Hall of Fame on Saturday night.

Not that the WWE Hall of Fame means that much. Basically, if you're on good terms with the company - you're in. The Ultimate Warrior had been critical of the company for many years. The WWE hit back by producing a DVD entitled 'The Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior' where various wrestlers and employees, both past and present, came together and buried him. Over the past year or so, relations have been more amicable improving to the point where he appeared on TV to promote the new WWE video game. This renewed relationship led to his HOF induction as well as a new DVD presenting him in a more positive light.

Excuse my language but fucking hell...Never expected that, getting inducted into the Hall 4-5 days ago, then suddenly dying...

To be honest I have never had anything good to say about him, I never agreed with his views, never really liked him in general, but, he was one of the most popular wrestlers of his day, and I never expected to see the day he would be inducted into a WWE HOF, he seemingly burnt all his bridges years ago and has been very critical and quite nasty at times about his peers...

I wont say much more about the sudden demise of the Warrior...

RIP WARRIOR

(09 Apr 2014, 12:09 pm)marxistafozzski wrote To be honest I have never had anything good to say about him, I never agreed with his views, never really liked him in general, but, he was one of the most popular wrestlers of his day, and I never expected to see the day he would be inducted into a WWE HOF, he seemingly burnt all his bridges years ago and has been very critical and quite nasty at times about his peers...

In defence of The Warrior, most of the bad-blood between himself and the WWE stems from the fact that he legally pursued things which to which he was entitled. While Vince and his legal team have, in the past, strong-armed certain performers to waive their rights under threat of the lengthy (and costly) courtroom battle; the Warrior successfully defended himself and won the rights to his gimmick. That takes balls and I admire him for that.

However, I agree with what you say about his political and personal beliefs as I too find them repugnant and reprehensible. He did take pot-shots at his peers for no apparent reason but he seems to have mellowed out in later years - working with an openly bisexual Orlando Jordan (something which he probably wouldn't have done while making his 'motivational speeches' back in the late 90's/early 00's); and making amends/burying the hatchet with fellow performers.

(09 Apr 2014, 12:43 pm)AdamY wrote In defence of The Warrior, most of the bad-blood between himself and the WWE stems from the fact that he legally pursued things which to which he was entitled. While Vince and his legal team have, in the past, strong-armed certain performers to waive their rights under threat of the lengthy (and costly) courtroom battle; the Warrior successfully defended himself and won the rights to his gimmick. That takes balls and I admire him for that.

However, I agree with what you say about his political and personal beliefs as I too find them repugnant and reprehensible. He did take pot-shots at his peers for no apparent reason but he seems to have mellowed out in later years - working with an openly bisexual Orlando Jordan (something which he probably wouldn't have done while making his 'motivational speeches' back in the late 90's/early 00's); and making amends/burying the hatchet with fellow performers.

Didn't he legally change his name to Warrior to stop McMahon slapping copyright on it...

One thing I hated him for was his opinions on dead wrestlers, fair enough he was saying what we all thought, but the dead cannot defend themselves...

I must admit though, when I first started watching wrestling I found him a bit of an enigma, could not quite figure it out at the time, but understanding it now, he was of course meant to be that enigma...

There is no doubting Jim Hellwig was one of the most popular performers of his day and will be remembered as such and it is sad that someone who I grew up watching suddenly passes away...

The timing of his unfortunate death is ultimately very sad, if you had told me 5 years ago he would inducted into the HOF, I would have ridiculed you and asked where you been for the better of 2 decades...

RIP

Sad News regarding Ultimate Warrior, but from watching Raw Monday Night, something didn't look right at all with him when he was doing his Promo, plus he was sweating buckets.

Also from looking online, before the HOF, Lita has Revealed VKM said this before everyone went out, clearly he knew something was up with Ultimate Warrior.

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/news/...e-McMahon/

(09 Apr 2014, 1:04 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Didn't he legally change his name to Warrior to stop McMahon slapping copyright on it...

Yup. And it worked. He couldn't use the term 'Ultimate Warrior', but lets face it, it's a moot point. He could've called himself 'The Lockhaugh Warrior' and he would still be instantly recognisable to most wrestling fans of the era.

(09 Apr 2014, 1:04 pm)marxistafozzski wrote The timing of his unfortunate death is ultimately very sad, if you had told me 5 years ago he would inducted into the HOF, I would have ridiculed you and asked where you been for the better of 2 decades...

Quite the pun there, if it was intended.

(09 Apr 2014, 1:09 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Sad News regarding Ultimate Warrior, but from watching Raw Monday Night, something didn't look right at all with him when he was doing his Promo, plus he was sweating buckets.

I noticed the same thing during his HOF speech. Something didn't look right although, perhaps, it's just hindsight.

(09 Apr 2014, 1:15 pm)AdamY wrote Yup. And it worked. He couldn't use the term 'Ultimate Warrior', but lets face it, it's a moot point. He could've called himself 'The Lockhaugh Warrior' and he would still be instantly recognisable to most wrestling fans of the era.


Quite the pun there, if it was intended.


I noticed the same thing during his HOF speech. Something didn't look right although, perhaps, it's just hindsight.

See what you mean, but no pun was intended

Out of interest, who was peoples favourite wrestlers growing...

As a kid, Ioved Davey Boy Smith and Bret Hart, later on liking the Rock and Austin, and was a big fan of Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit at one point

(09 Apr 2014, 1:15 pm)AdamY wrote I noticed the same thing during his HOF speech. Something didn't look right although, perhaps, it's just hindsight.

For me it came across as he was saying goodbye in that Promo on Raw, plus he constantly waving/pointing to the Crowd during the Segment which I found rather odd after every sentence he said, I would of understood if he playing to the Crowd like Hogan does with his Taunts or whatever they are called, But he was just constantly looking around and waving/pointing.

The other thing was that it was just pointless segment as he didn't promote anything and there generally no reason for him to be on Raw Monday Night, other than to say Goodbye, because He and Vince knew something was going happen, and it was simply a matter of time, obviously it has come a lot sooner than expected, hence the complete shock within the Wrestling World.

HOF Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9gtrHXxcg

Raw Promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR08M6EUd0g

(09 Apr 2014, 2:29 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote For me it came across as he was saying goodbye in that Promo on Raw, plus he constantly waving/pointing to the Crowd during the Segment which I found rather odd after every sentence he said, I would of understood if he playing to the Crowd like Hogan does with his Taunts or whatever they are called, But he was just constantly looking around and waving/pointing.

The other thing was that it was just pointless segment as he didn't promote anything and there generally no reason for him to be on Raw Monday Night, other than to say Goodbye, because He and Vince knew something was going happen, and it was simply a matter of time, obviously it has come a lot sooner than expected, hence the complete shock within the Wrestling World.

HOF Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9gtrHXxcg

Raw Promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR08M6EUd0g

Thats all weird that, his Raw Promo seems like it is being spoken by a man who is and/or knows he is on borrowed time, he puts the Warrior mask and it seems like he has done so because his crying...thats what I took from it anyway, references to dying, breathing your last breath and so on...

It makes me wonder, has he and WWE known something was not right and they buried the hatchet just in time, I dont want to speculate or buy into peoples theories, but those videos come across like he knows whats coming

Just seen bits of Raw...

What a reaction for Daniel Bryan, I haven't seen a pop for a wrestler like that for a while...

Hope Bryan gets a good run with the belts, he certainly deserves it

(09 Apr 2014, 2:43 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Thats all weird that, his Raw Promo seems like it is being spoken by a man who is and/or knows he is on borrowed time, he puts the Warrior mask and it seems like he has done so because his crying...thats what I took from it anyway, references to dying, breathing your last breath and so on...

It makes me wonder, has he and WWE known something was not right and they buried the hatchet just in time, I dont want to speculate or buy into peoples theories, but those videos come across like he knows whats coming

I am thinking exactly the same thing, but I guess we'll never know that information unless Vince McMahon or Ultimate Warriors Family reveal it, obviously we'll find out what caused his Death, once a Post Mortem is carried out, which could take a few days or weeks, depending on how there Health Care System works in the USA.

Looks like Ultimate Warrior had a Catastrophic Medical Condition, So whatever it was, it of been pretty bad to cause such a sudden Death, I think this all but confirms that Vince McMahon knew all along hence the Comment he made at the HOF, Which Lita later revealed.

http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/news/...-Death-Of/

(09 Apr 2014, 2:17 pm)marxistafozzski wrote Out of interest, who was peoples favourite wrestlers growing...

I think mine changed on a monthly basis.

I liked Demoliton when I first started watching wrestling circa 1990 and Crush in 1992. I also liked The Steiners, Bobby Eaton, "Stunning" Steve Austin, Barry Windham and Rick Rude. Jake Roberts was also a favourite of mine back then.

In 1993, I don't think you'll find anyone better than Eddy Guerrero although I personally prefered his tag partner, "Love Machine" Art Barr. Raven was probably my favourite wrestler from 1995-98 and Bryan Pillman also deserves a mention. Benoit, although great, never really had any character and i've always considered him to be bland.

Milano Collection AT from 2002-05, and also K-ness and Susumu Yokosuka in the 2000's.

In the latter part of last year it was Goldust, this year it's been Cesaro or The Shield.

(09 Apr 2014, 3:20 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote I am thinking exactly the same thing, but I guess we'll never know that information unless Vince McMahon or Ultimate Warriors Family reveal it, obviously we'll find out what caused his Death, once a Post Mortem is carried out, which could take a few days or weeks, depending on how there Health Care System works in the USA.

If I am honest, I wouldnot be surprised if the post mortem says Heart Attack as a consequence of years of drug taking back in the day, exactly the same happened with Davey Boy and Eddie Guerrero, maybe it just took it's toll, it is no secret that drug use was widespread back in the day, the schedule they had was hectic back then, taking steroids to stay bulked up, sleeping tablets to wind down, pain pills to numb underlying injuries...

Or it could just be Sudden Death Syndrome or whatever it is called, the same problem that has killed footballers in recent years i.e. Marc Vivian-Foe, Antonio Puerta and Phil O'Donnell, who literally dropped dead so suddenly.

(09 Apr 2014, 4:46 pm)AdamY wrote I think mine changed on a monthly basis.

I liked Demoliton when I first started watching wrestling circa 1990 and Crush in 1992. I also liked The Steiners, Bobby Eaton, "Stunning" Steve Austin, Barry Windham and Rick Rude. Jake Roberts was also a favourite of mine back then.

In 1993, I don't think you'll find anyone better than Eddy Guerrero although I personally prefered his tag partner, "Love Machine" Art Barr. Raven was probably my favourite wrestler from 1995-98 and Bryan Pillman also deserves a mention. Benoit, although great, never really had any character and i've always considered him to be bland.

Milano Collection AT from 2002-05, and also K-ness and Susumu Yokosuka in the 2000's.

In the latter part of last year it was Goldust, this year it's been Cesaro or The Shield.

Cant disagree with that, although I never watched dubya-see-dubya or EC-Dub back then, so I only remember Eddie and Benoit coming to WWE as The Radicalz.

I see what you mean about Benoit, just a shame he will be remembered for being a murderer and a coward for what he did, as a wrestler, I thought he was great, when watching Benoit, you knew you would get your monies worth, one of the hardest workers in the company and he would give 110% all the time, but as a man, a person, I have very little time for him...

Pillman was technically good and iirc, he was once in a tag team tearing up the WCW tag division with Stunning Steve Austin, who of course became Stone Cold.

The Loose Cannon was a fucked up gimmick, the character was a madman and some of the stuff he did was crackers i.e. trying to lob his cock at an ECW shop or when he had Austin staring down the barrel of a gun in the Pillman has a gun vignette...

I have heard quite a few people say they were never sure about whether Pillman was a madman or not...What I have seen of him, he was technically gifted and was probably one of the first wrestlers to bring the high flying style to North America