(20 May 2013, 8:11 pm)gtomlinson wrote One interesting comparison I've made.
Durham to Newcastle on the X21 or 21 is a 2 zone annual buzzfare which will set you back £822 a year.
Durham to Newcastle with Arriva on the X2 is £575 a year.
Durham to Newcastle on train is £1,148,00 (out of interest it's £816 from Chester Le Street) which means the train is cheaper than Go Ahead from Chester Le Street.
Now there's a massive discrepancy there between GNE and Arriva, now you get less choice with Arriva but for a commuter the Arriva X2 service runs at perfectly reliable times and is now run with decent kit.
Obviously the train stands out because your there in 10 minutes and you pay the premium
(20 May 2013, 8:38 pm)aureolin wrote(20 May 2013, 8:11 pm)gtomlinson wrote One interesting comparison I've made.
Durham to Newcastle on the X21 or 21 is a 2 zone annual buzzfare which will set you back £822 a year.
Durham to Newcastle with Arriva on the X2 is £575 a year.
Durham to Newcastle on train is £1,148,00 (out of interest it's £816 from Chester Le Street) which means the train is cheaper than Go Ahead from Chester Le Street.
Now there's a massive discrepancy there between GNE and Arriva, now you get less choice with Arriva but for a commuter the Arriva X2 service runs at perfectly reliable times and is now run with decent kit.
Obviously the train stands out because your there in 10 minutes and you pay the premium
Juts to add to that post. Durham to Newcastle using Arriva is available under the 'Durham District' zone. Which is how it comes out at £575. Interestingly, a comparable route saver option on Go North East would cost £863, as it only comes in a weekly form.
(20 May 2013, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 wrote As for Arriva between Durham and Newcastle. That is a fantastic fare! Their marketing team need to jump on it and push it massively.
I use the train North from Durham going to Scotland pretty regularly. Generally getting the 17.25ish or 18.25ish trains, there are a massive number of passengers travelling only as far as Newcastle who get on at Durham...
(24 May 2013, 8:41 am)Andreos1 wrote Looking at it objectively, Arriva miss out due to the frequency of their services.Surely the fact is that, because the GNE service is so good, a substantial number of passengers are happy to pay a premium fare? Drive down the price and you'll drive down the quality; then the only winner would be the private car!
GNE and the train win, due to their frequency and for the latter, the speed also.
Passengers are basically paying GNE and the rail operators a premium to get to their destination quicker and having a bigger choice of services.
(24 May 2013, 2:13 pm)eezypeazy wrote Surely the fact is that, because the GNE service is so good, a substantial number of passengers are happy to pay a premium fare? Drive down the price and you'll drive down the quality; then the only winner would be the private car!
(05 Jun 2013, 5:22 pm)aureolin wrote Bought a transfare for the first time in 10 years last night. £4.10 from Central Station to Washington - I kid you not. It's not right people are hit financially just because the metro doesn't cover most of Tyne and Wear. I think a 3 zone single is £3.20 which will get you from south hylton to the airport. 90p less than the said transfare.
(05 Jun 2013, 8:39 pm)Andreos1 wrote How can that be justified a) with the price of the 3 zone single and b) compared to the price of a Day Rover?
I would love to see the breakdown/split and what proportion is "metro" fare and what proportion is "bus" fare.
(06 Jun 2013, 12:43 pm)CatsFast101 wrote I personally think that cross-operator tickets are needed. I mean some areas especially in County Durham go from being solely GNE to solely Arriva. I mean it's similar in Teeside which has a vast stagecoach presence down there, but that means little buses from other areas. I mean Some example High Pittington-Shotton Colliery, 10 minute car journey, but to get a bus you'll have to take GNE 260/259 to Durham then get Arriva 24/22 or get GNE 259 to Sheburn then the ANE 24. Which means 4 singles, I can only guess at prices but I'm assuming on the 24 it'll be about £2.90 single (£5.00 return?) then if Durham town & city fare zones apply in pittington it'll be £1.45 either way. Leading to a ten minute journeys costing give or take £7.90. Surely it's time County Durham got some sort of cross-operator tickets?
(06 Jun 2013, 1:08 pm)Kuyoyo wrote(06 Jun 2013, 12:43 pm)CatsFast101 wrote I personally think that cross-operator tickets are needed. I mean some areas especially in County Durham go from being solely GNE to solely Arriva. I mean it's similar in Teeside which has a vast stagecoach presence down there, but that means little buses from other areas. I mean Some example High Pittington-Shotton Colliery, 10 minute car journey, but to get a bus you'll have to take GNE 260/259 to Durham then get Arriva 24/22 or get GNE 259 to Sheburn then the ANE 24. Which means 4 singles, I can only guess at prices but I'm assuming on the 24 it'll be about £2.90 single (£5.00 return?) then if Durham town & city fare zones apply in pittington it'll be £1.45 either way. Leading to a ten minute journeys costing give or take £7.90. Surely it's time County Durham got some sort of cross-operator tickets?
There is a cross operator ticket already - the Explorer North East. £9.30 valid on the big three, any County Durham and Nexus supported services as well as the Metro, the Ferry and Northern Rail between Newcastle and Sunderland. It's valid.
Also, your point regarding Teesside is invalid as we already have cross operator tickets. The Daytripper valid on Arriva and Stagecoach (but it's 5p cheaper on Arriva now than Stagecoach when it used to be the other way round, currently £4.35 on Stagecoach and £4.30 on Arriva). There's also the Easyrider which is available in two forms, the Teesside only zone and also one that covers Hartlepool and East Cleveland. The difference is the Easyrider is also valid on Compass Royston's commercial work (which only consists of their R66 to Teesside PRk and that is part-funded by the park's management) as well as all supported services operated by Leven Valley and Redcar & Cleveland Council.
(13 Jun 2013, 7:38 pm)citaro5284 wrote(13 Jun 2013, 6:56 pm)aureolin wrote They narrow the data for the target down far too much. Having a target across a depot or even a brand would provide a far better service than having it per run. It wouldn't please the shareholders though!
The target is based on route