(31 Aug 2014, 10:16 am)tyresmoke Suppose there'd no no point as they'll all be losing them soon regardless
(31 Aug 2014, 10:16 am)tyresmoke Suppose there'd no no point as they'll all be losing them soon regardless
(31 Aug 2014, 5:51 pm)Philly rf Someone on here mentioned that they'll be be out tomorrow
(31 Aug 2014, 5:56 pm)JoshP I thought Durham's Streetlite's for the 23 were to be in standard livery?
(31 Aug 2014, 6:28 pm)Roland Pratt Why?
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(31 Aug 2014, 5:51 pm)Philly rf Someone on here mentioned that they'll be be out tomorrow
(31 Aug 2014, 5:56 pm)JoshP I thought Durham's Streetlite's for the 23 were to be in standard livery?
(31 Aug 2014, 6:28 pm)Roland Pratt Why?
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(31 Aug 2014, 6:48 pm)tyresmoke So did I until they got delivered. I asked this question and was told all of the "standard" Streetlites (23/35/306) are to be delivered in this livery now... Should stand out at least!
(31 Aug 2014, 6:48 pm)tyresmoke The Max scheme is due to be extended onto the X1/X2 scheme in the future.
(31 Aug 2014, 6:48 pm)tyresmoke So did I until they got delivered. I asked this question and was told all of the "standard" Streetlites (23/35/306) are to be delivered in this livery now... Should stand out at least!
(31 Aug 2014, 6:48 pm)tyresmoke The Max scheme is due to be extended onto the X1/X2 scheme in the future.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.The X15 will have both Omnicities and E400's so I can't see a problem? Or why Arriva would think differently for a route that is operated with those vehicles currently?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.The X15 will have both Omnicities and E400's so I can't see a problem? Or why Arriva would think differently for a route that is operated with those vehicles currently?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:08 pm)JoshP With the deliveries of the Streetlite's ahead of schedule, will Darlington's X1 MAX Streetlite's be delivered sooner than thought too?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:08 pm)JoshP With the deliveries of the Streetlite's ahead of schedule, will Darlington's X1 MAX Streetlite's be delivered sooner than thought too?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm)Dan Will this see a more consistent allocation of vehicle type, instead of the current split? Obviously Stockton cannot facilitate double decked vehicles, but I'd argue that it wouldn't be particularly appropriate to launch "MAX" on services X1/X2 with a split allocation of single and double decked vehicles.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:03 pm)mb134 The X15 will have both Omnicities and E400's so I can't see a problem? Or why Arriva would think differently for a route that is operated with those vehicles currently?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:09 pm)Kuyoyo Will remain a split vehicle allocation like the X15 - I understand the present plan is to refurbish Stockton's 1441-3 for their share of the work although that could all change between now and the actual refurbishment.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:03 pm)mb134 The X15 will have both Omnicities and E400's so I can't see a problem? Or why Arriva would think differently for a route that is operated with those vehicles currently?
(31 Aug 2014, 7:09 pm)Kuyoyo Will remain a split vehicle allocation like the X15 - I understand the present plan is to refurbish Stockton's 1441-3 for their share of the work although that could all change between now and the actual refurbishment.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:31 pm)aureolin I'd agree. I personally don't think the Pulsars are suitable for the X1 in terms of numbers between Durham and Sedgefield. We'll see that once again next week, when the new term starts.
If Stockton can't facilitate double decked vehicles, can Darlington? I can't see why a service should be prevented investment because someone hadn't the foresight to think that a bus garage would need to house and maintain a double decker bus.
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(31 Aug 2014, 7:31 pm)aureolin I'd agree. I personally don't think the Pulsars are suitable for the X1 in terms of numbers between Durham and Sedgefield. We'll see that once again next week, when the new term starts.
If Stockton can't facilitate double decked vehicles, can Darlington? I can't see why a service should be prevented investment because someone hadn't the foresight to think that a bus garage would need to house and maintain a double decker bus.
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(31 Aug 2014, 10:39 am)tyresmoke Probably worth mentioning that Geminis 7616 and 7625 have returned to Blyth depot following refurbishment to Max specification. The additional vehicles they have will remain until Tuesday after the launch event in Newcastle, at which point a few will likely be withdrawn, or transferred elsewhere. 7511 should depart for Blackburn to be refurbished to Max for service X15, where it will join 7512/3 and 4653/9 undergoing the same process.
(31 Aug 2014, 10:39 am)tyresmoke Probably worth mentioning that Geminis 7616 and 7625 have returned to Blyth depot following refurbishment to Max specification. The additional vehicles they have will remain until Tuesday after the launch event in Newcastle, at which point a few will likely be withdrawn, or transferred elsewhere. 7511 should depart for Blackburn to be refurbished to Max for service X15, where it will join 7512/3 and 4653/9 undergoing the same process.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:41 pm)tyresmoke Darlington can yes, as they have had them in the past (7514-21 for the 1/1B) - the loadings is part of the issue why we've added an additional journey into Durham on a morning, and return on an evening for the college students. I know the current 0810 arrival in Durham can just be handled by a Pulsar and of course the extra journey will now run 15 mins behind this trip which should split the loadings a fair bit, which can only help. If there are any specific issues happening every day then PM me and let me know...
(31 Aug 2014, 7:41 pm)tyresmoke Darlington can yes, as they have had them in the past (7514-21 for the 1/1B) - the loadings is part of the issue why we've added an additional journey into Durham on a morning, and return on an evening for the college students. I know the current 0810 arrival in Durham can just be handled by a Pulsar and of course the extra journey will now run 15 mins behind this trip which should split the loadings a fair bit, which can only help. If there are any specific issues happening every day then PM me and let me know...
(31 Aug 2014, 7:37 pm)Dan Yes, I know the X15 was down to be a split allocation too, but had assumed it was mainly linked to the fact that it wasn't originally planned to give the services cascaded vehicles and the resources they had available were therefore limited.
From a capacity perspective, double decked vehicles for service X15 are more appropriate. On all of the occasions I've used service X15, I've had a full coach (or a double decker with a reasonable load). The OmniCitys do seem a lot more powerful and are able to cope with the more demanding nature of the route better, however.
I know Go North East have recently tried to avoid split allocations wherever possible, because customers become familiar with a specific vehicle type (single or double decker).
The times I've photographed service X1 outside of peaks arriving/departing at Durham, Stockton and Middlesbrough, single deckers would cope fine. During peaks, that's where the issues start, at least in my experience. Obviously service X2 carries fresh air most of the time, so there's no issues there(!) Arriva obviously have a better idea of the loadings and passenger trends than I do, but from a customer perspective (not an enthusiast perspective), I'd prefer to see a consistent allocation.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:37 pm)Dan Yes, I know the X15 was down to be a split allocation too, but had assumed it was mainly linked to the fact that it wasn't originally planned to give the services cascaded vehicles and the resources they had available were therefore limited.
From a capacity perspective, double decked vehicles for service X15 are more appropriate. On all of the occasions I've used service X15, I've had a full coach (or a double decker with a reasonable load). The OmniCitys do seem a lot more powerful and are able to cope with the more demanding nature of the route better, however.
I know Go North East have recently tried to avoid split allocations wherever possible, because customers become familiar with a specific vehicle type (single or double decker).
The times I've photographed service X1 outside of peaks arriving/departing at Durham, Stockton and Middlesbrough, single deckers would cope fine. During peaks, that's where the issues start, at least in my experience. Obviously service X2 carries fresh air most of the time, so there's no issues there(!) Arriva obviously have a better idea of the loadings and passenger trends than I do, but from a customer perspective (not an enthusiast perspective), I'd prefer to see a consistent allocation.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:45 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Why can't Durham run it by themselves? Or am I missing something obvious?
If it is down to the timetable, surely something can be done.
I often see the 8.10 arrival into Durham and it is generally full in term times.
Noticed a difference once the holidays kicked in.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:45 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Why can't Durham run it by themselves? Or am I missing something obvious?
If it is down to the timetable, surely something can be done.
I often see the 8.10 arrival into Durham and it is generally full in term times.
Noticed a difference once the holidays kicked in.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:45 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Why can't Durham run it by themselves? Or am I missing something obvious?
If it is down to the timetable, surely something can be done.
I often see the 8.10 arrival into Durham and it is generally full in term times.
Noticed a difference once the holidays kicked in.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:45 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Why can't Durham run it by themselves? Or am I missing something obvious?
If it is down to the timetable, surely something can be done.
I often see the 8.10 arrival into Durham and it is generally full in term times.
Noticed a difference once the holidays kicked in.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:37 pm)Dan Yes, I know the X15 was down to be a split allocation too, but had assumed it was mainly linked to the fact that it wasn't originally planned to give the services cascaded vehicles and the resources they had available were therefore limited.Yeah I guess, as a customer, I would prefer consistent allocation however, in the case of the X15, recently they've never really had a consistent allocation, with coaches, E400's and B7's being allocated during the last few month.
From a capacity perspective, double decked vehicles for service X15 are more appropriate. On all of the occasions I've used service X15, I've had a full coach (or a double decker with a reasonable load). The OmniCitys do seem a lot more powerful and are able to cope with the more demanding nature of the route better, however.
I know Go North East have recently tried to avoid split allocations wherever possible, because customers become familiar with a specific vehicle type (single or double decker).
The times I've photographed service X1 outside of peaks arriving/departing at Durham, Stockton and Middlesbrough, single deckers would cope fine. During peaks, that's where the issues start, at least in my experience. Obviously service X2 carries fresh air most of the time, so there's no issues there(!) Arriva obviously have a better idea of the loadings and passenger trends than I do, but from a customer perspective (not an enthusiast perspective), I'd prefer to see a consistent allocation.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:37 pm)Dan Yes, I know the X15 was down to be a split allocation too, but had assumed it was mainly linked to the fact that it wasn't originally planned to give the services cascaded vehicles and the resources they had available were therefore limited.Yeah I guess, as a customer, I would prefer consistent allocation however, in the case of the X15, recently they've never really had a consistent allocation, with coaches, E400's and B7's being allocated during the last few month.
From a capacity perspective, double decked vehicles for service X15 are more appropriate. On all of the occasions I've used service X15, I've had a full coach (or a double decker with a reasonable load). The OmniCitys do seem a lot more powerful and are able to cope with the more demanding nature of the route better, however.
I know Go North East have recently tried to avoid split allocations wherever possible, because customers become familiar with a specific vehicle type (single or double decker).
The times I've photographed service X1 outside of peaks arriving/departing at Durham, Stockton and Middlesbrough, single deckers would cope fine. During peaks, that's where the issues start, at least in my experience. Obviously service X2 carries fresh air most of the time, so there's no issues there(!) Arriva obviously have a better idea of the loadings and passenger trends than I do, but from a customer perspective (not an enthusiast perspective), I'd prefer to see a consistent allocation.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:41 pm)tyresmoke Darlington can yes, as they have had them in the past (7514-21 for the 1/1B) - the loadings is part of the issue why we've added an additional journey into Durham on a morning, and return on an evening for the college students. I know the current 0810 arrival in Durham can just be handled by a Pulsar and of course the extra journey will now run 15 mins behind this trip which should split the loadings a fair bit, which can only help. If there are any specific issues happening every day then PM me and let me know...
I think the 1715 out of Durham will help with matters too.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:41 pm)tyresmoke Darlington can yes, as they have had them in the past (7514-21 for the 1/1B) - the loadings is part of the issue why we've added an additional journey into Durham on a morning, and return on an evening for the college students. I know the current 0810 arrival in Durham can just be handled by a Pulsar and of course the extra journey will now run 15 mins behind this trip which should split the loadings a fair bit, which can only help. If there are any specific issues happening every day then PM me and let me know...
I think the 1715 out of Durham will help with matters too.
(31 Aug 2014, 7:53 pm)Kuyoyo Without adding to the running cost - no. At least 2 of the Stockton workings start and finish down in the Teesside area. Then there's the cost of re-working the Sunday journeys which are geared to operation out of Stockton (and interwork with all of Stockton's Middlesbrough Sunday runs apart from the 5s of course).
(31 Aug 2014, 7:53 pm)Kuyoyo Without adding to the running cost - no. At least 2 of the Stockton workings start and finish down in the Teesside area. Then there's the cost of re-working the Sunday journeys which are geared to operation out of Stockton (and interwork with all of Stockton's Middlesbrough Sunday runs apart from the 5s of course).
