(15 Mar 2015, 11:06 am)Dan wrote Streetlites have been ordered for service X66. As I said before, it's a different vehicle type for the four citaro5284 has mentioned.

We have established that the single deck orders are Streetlites. So really, the four vehicles citaro5284 has mentioned can only be minibus, midibus or double deck... Which service(s) have a PVR of 3 (with 1 spare) or 4?

I was thinking more along the lines of when 5337/8 came up and we're swapped with 4 Cadets from the NE fleet, what are Brighton swapping in exchange for the bendys they have received? Or were they made possible by cascades from the X66 that GNE didn't have a need for and were withdrawn several months early.

The 38?
Solos so it's the same as the 238?

(15 Mar 2015, 11:19 am)tyresmoke wrote I was thinking more along the lines of when 5337/8 came up and we're swapped with 4 Cadets from the NE fleet, what are Brighton swapping in exchange for the bendys they have received? Or were they made possible by cascades from the X66 that GNE didn't have a need for and were withdrawn several months early.

The articulated vehicles in the fleet were withdrawn as a result of the service revisions in January/February 2015, ahead of new vehicles arriving in March 2015 (for the X66) and further service revisions (QuayLink/X40) in July 2015 when the contract ends.

I doubt it'll be the case, but I'd have loved to see another 4x Citaros coming from somewhere, and an increase in frequency of the X7 to half hourly.

DFDS 327? Especially with the lolynes having to be withdrawn by the end of next year...better to get them replaced sooner rather than later.

So far i have services with 3 PVR or 4 PVR:

5 – PVR 4
X7 – PVR 3 (Although unlikely, unless it goes half hourly, once again doubt it)
13/14 – 3 PVR
15/15A – 3 PVR
19 – 4 PVR
38 – 3 PVR (agree with Tom)
X84/X85 - PVR 4 
700 – 3 PVR (701 – 1 PVR) – Contract due to be renewed From July this year.





FFS, once again, i can't remember the PVR of these!

X30/X31
X70/X71 

(15 Mar 2015, 11:25 am)Robert wrote DFDS 327? Especially with the lolynes having to be withdrawn by the end of next year...better to get them replaced sooner rather than later.

There's some 55 plate Scania double decks being refurbished ex London for Hedingham at the moment so you might be in with a shout with this one. Having said that they've just been rebranded recently although I would think that would be paid for by DFDS so not a huge issue?

(15 Mar 2015, 11:28 am)Michael wrote So far i have services with 3 PVR or 4 PVR:

5 – PVR 4
X7 – PVR 3 (Although unlikely, unless it goes half hourly, once again doubt it)
13/14 – 3 PVR
15/15A – 3 PVR
19 – 4 PVR
38 – 3 PVR (agree with Tom)
X84/X85 - PVR 4 
700 – 3 PVR (701 – 1 PVR) – Contract due to be renewed From July this year.

FFS, once again, i can't remember the PVR of these!

X30/X31
X70/X71 

Isn't the 13/14 a PVR of 1 on the 13 and 3 on the 14/X22?

No idea as to where they will go and I don't know PVR's for most GNE services.

(15 Mar 2015, 11:33 am)Jimmi wrote Isn't the 13/14 a PVR of 1 on the 13 and 3 on the 14/X22?

No idea as to where they will go and I don't know PVR's for most GNE services.

Yeah - the 13 and 14 don't interwork but the 14 and X22 do. 

(15 Mar 2015, 11:34 am)Robert wrote Yeah - the 13 and 14 don't interwork but the 14 and X22 do. 

Ah right, take that off the list, i just went by the timetables.

(15 Mar 2015, 11:31 am)tyresmoke wrote There's some 55 plate Scania double decks being refurbished ex London for Hedingham at the moment so you might be in with a shout with this one. Having said that they've just been rebranded recently although I would think that would be paid for by DFDS so not a huge issue?

Suppose the same could be said for the ex-X66 Citaros. They had been repainted and rebranded in such a complex livery and then a year later, they were withdrawn and out of the fleet.

(15 Mar 2015, 11:37 am)Robert wrote Suppose the same could be said for the ex-X66 Citaros. They had been repainted and rebranded in such a complex livery and then a year later, they were withdrawn and out of the fleet.

I think again part or all of the cost would be covered by Metrocentre and it's owners (intu) in order to keep up with the centres' (re-)brands - I know the 100 shuttle has a similar agreement.

I'm thinking an upgrade for X84/X85 is most likely, thought I'm not sure they justify deckers - unless the vehicles are cascaded Mercs or other single decker.
I can't see the X7 getting newer vehicles - unless of course, it is been increased in frequency even just to Peterlee or Station Town, to try and rival the X21 even more? If it is for X7, it'll have to be Mercs.
Mind if it is Mercs, I wonder if they are been used as spares, rather than allocated to a new service? One could argue having 5337/5338 at Stanley has been successful on the diamond, and having some spare Mercs at Deptford/Riverside, may be a good idea as spares for 61, Laser, Crusader & Blaydon Racers. 
If it's not Mercs, I haven't a clue where they going - I can't think of any route that require Deckers or a route that needs minibuses that has a PVR of 3/4.

I think the omnicities off the Coaster should transfer to Washington for services 82/82A/85/ & 86 with cadets transfering to Stanley to replace some Olympians and Streetlites or versas for services 1 &1A. I doubt this will happen

(15 Mar 2015, 5:33 pm)Davie wrote I think the omnicities off the Coaster should transfer to  Washington for services 82/82A/85/ & 86 with cadets transfering to Stanley to replace some Olympians and Streetlites or versas for services 1 &1A. I doubt this will happen

Try getting an Omnicity round the Village on the 86!

It's bad enough when a President makes it's way on there, and almost takes all the trees out in the process.

(15 Mar 2015, 6:32 pm)aureolin wrote Try getting an Omnicity round the Village on the 86!

It's bad enough when a President makes it's way on there, and almost takes all the trees out in the process.

Good point 

(15 Mar 2015, 5:33 pm)Davie wrote I think the omnicities off the Coaster should transfer to  Washington for services 82/82A/85/ & 86 with cadets transfering to Stanley to replace some Olympians and Streetlites or versas for services 1 &1A. I doubt this will happen

I am going to hazard a guess and say that the only way the olympians will be replaced is with more deckers because of scholars services.

(15 Mar 2015, 5:33 pm)Davie wrote I think the omnicities off the Coaster should transfer to  Washington for services 82/82A/85/ & 86 with cadets transfering to Stanley to replace some Olympians and Streetlites or versas for services 1 &1A. I doubt this will happen

The 82/82A/85/86 don't get many passengers, so its pointless putting them on those routes.

(15 Mar 2015, 6:49 pm)Michael wrote The 82/82A/85/86 don't get many passengers, so its pointless putting them on those routes.

Not to mention Omnicities are absolutely hopeless on a town route.
Struggled round a 15 with 4659 once, lost time horrendously!

(15 Mar 2015, 9:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote Not to mention Omnicities are absolutely hopeless on a town route.
Struggled round a 15 with 4659 once, lost time horrendously!

Which is ironic - given Scania designed it as a Citybus  

(15 Mar 2015, 9:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote Not to mention Omnicities are absolutely hopeless on a town route.
Struggled round a 15 with 4659 once, lost time horrendously!

GNE's OmniCitys are hopeless full stop (sorry, Michael!)

Arriva's examples appear to be set up in a much better way to yield more power, which DaveyBowyer will be surprised to hear...

(15 Mar 2015, 9:27 pm)Dan wrote GNE's OmniCitys are hopeless full stop (sorry, Michael!)

Arriva's examples appear to be set up in a much better way to yield more power, which DaveyBowyer will be surprised to hear...

Dan, i'm blocking you now,  

Some are quite bad, however i want some at Deptford.... haha 

(15 Mar 2015, 9:29 pm)Michael wrote Dan, i'm blocking you now,  

Some are quite bad, however i want some at Deptford.... haha 

Hehe, sorry!

When you compare them to the 55-reg Scania L94s on the Tynedalexpress, GNE's Omnis aren't particularly impressive. ANE's on the 685 are probably on-par, if not a bit quicker off the mark.

I only really said it because I'd love to get rid of Omnicities and I think the coaster services are due investment

(15 Mar 2015, 9:32 pm)Dan wrote Hehe, sorry!

When you compare them to the 55-reg Scania L94s on the Tynedalexpress, GNE's Omnis aren't particularly impressive. ANE's on the 685 are probably on-par, if not a bit quicker off the mark.

The Euro4 ones have always seemed inferior even since new compared to Arriva's Euro3 versions. Still not fair that Jesmond nabbed our 07 plates and we got them replaced with well ruined 4652/4/8/9... Darlington have spent thousands getting theirs up to standard after Redcar had them

Dare I mention the Omnis on the 21?

(15 Mar 2015, 9:46 pm)aureolin wrote Dare I mention the Omnis on the 21?

You dare.......

(15 Mar 2015, 9:43 pm)tyresmoke wrote The Euro4 ones have always seemed inferior even since new compared to Arriva's Euro3 versions. Still not fair that Jesmond nabbed our 07 plates and we got them replaced with well ruined 4652/4/8/9... Darlington have spent thousands getting theirs up to standard after Redcar had them

Is 4659 the one that used to be at Jesmond as a spare for the 685 before being carted off to Ashington? If so, that one was great on the 685... Seemed to have even more power than the 07-plates, that's for sure, and it was more comfortable with the fabric seats.

(15 Mar 2015, 9:47 pm)Dan wrote Is 4659 the one that used to be at Jesmond as a spare for the 685 before being carted off to Ashington? If so, that one was great on the 685... Seemed to have even more power than the 07-plates, that's for sure, and it was more comfortable with the fabric seats.

No that was the other one, 4653. 4659 was at Stockton til it was pinched (or gladly given away?) - I seem to remember we'd just got it running spot on before it left... The remaining 3 seem to like spending most of their time in the depot between the odd trip to Peterlee...

(15 Mar 2015, 9:49 pm)tyresmoke wrote No that was the other one, 4653. 4659 was at Stockton til it was pinched (or gladly given away?) - I seem to remember we'd just got it running spot on before it left... The remaining 3 seem to like spending most of their time in the depot between the odd trip to Peterlee...

Don't think Ashington like the Omni's, always seems to be one hanging around the bus station or on local routes...