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Storx   21 May 2024, 1:04 pm
(21 May 2024, 12:37 pm)V514DFT wrote The 308 doesnt go into Battle Hill, it go's along the Coast Road, pre 2010, the 309 used to go along the Coast Road aswell, as Battle Hill had the 75/76, but when they were ditched, the decision was made to have the 309 accompany the 310 through Battle Hill as replacements, personally i'd do something with the X39 since it only runs at peaks i would also revise the 309 to miss out Battle Hill

I know but personally I'd scrap the 308 completely as it is now. It misses the most important place (Cobalt) and as result ends up with complete saturation North of Whitley Bay



Something like the above would be much better which is basically what I mentioned, with the Blyth to Whitley Bay bit being done on one route running express via Cobalt, then the 306/308 being changed into doing the old 325/326 route give or take and acting as a local route in North Tyneside. The green route being the 307 which I'd be tempted to drop down to every 30 minutes doing all the nooks and crannies so people further afield aren't impacted - people in Meadowell have the Metro anyway.

Just treat the 3 corridors as 3 seperate routes, it's what they are effectively than shoehorning everything together messily.
V514DFT   21 May 2024, 6:03 pm
(21 May 2024, 1:04 pm)Storx wrote I know but personally I'd scrap the 308 completely as it is now. It misses the most important place (Cobalt) and as result ends up with complete saturation North of Whitley Bay



Something like the above would be much better which is basically what I mentioned, with the Blyth to Whitley Bay bit being done on one route running express via Cobalt, then the 306/308 being changed into doing the old 325/326 route give or take and acting as a local route in North Tyneside. The green route being the 307 which I'd be tempted to drop down to every 30 minutes doing all the nooks and crannies so people further afield aren't impacted - people in Meadowell have the Metro anyway.

Just treat the 3 corridors as 3 seperate routes, it's what they are effectively than shoehorning everything together messily.
I'd say your 325/326 idea is alot like the 75/76 (315/316) it could probably work given all the new developments popping up, not sure about the 307 down to every half hour unless its combining with something else, i get where you're coming from but for me its no, in the days of the 75 im sure that ran every half an hour combining with the 76 at Middle Engine Lane making it every 15 minutes from there, but also combined again with the 40C/41C which i think took it to every 7-10 minutes (dont quote me on that), i also think something like the old 300 would be good

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Tez
Storx   21 May 2024, 8:32 pm
(21 May 2024, 6:03 pm)V514DFT wrote I'd say your 325/326 idea is alot like the 75/76 (315/316) it could probably work given all the new developments popping up, not sure about the 307 down to every half hour unless its combining with something else, i get where you're coming from but for me its no, in the days of the 75 im sure that ran every half an hour combining with the 76 at Middle Engine Lane making it every 15 minutes from there, but also combined again with the 40C/41C which i think took it to every 7-10 minutes (dont quote me on that), i also think something like the old 300 would be good

Yeah you're right actually, wrong number. Yeah you're right with the 325/326 bridging the gap though.

I don't know, I just think there needs to be one bus to Blyth and it really needs to be the 309 but not via the doors of Battle Hill. Whitley Bay to Blyth currently is absolutely stupidly overbussed and they're dead, like literally. You'd be lucky if there's double figures on most of them, even at peak times since there's no real reason to go along there other than Cobalt or Whitley Bay, no-one sensible is going to use that route to Newcastle and would always choose the X7-X11/X30 instead as they're just quicker and there's literally nothing on the Coast Road to actually go to.

Even in the day of buses everywhere there was only ever 4 buses an hour on the 308 between Newcastle and Blyth via Seaton Sluice. What you do with the 306/307/308 is open really, so agree with some of the stuff your saying, probably best to ask those in Battle Hill where they actually want to be rather than giving a bus to somewhere they never go, as at the end of the day it's mostly for them really since all the main points; Whitley, Cobalt, NT Hospital, Blyth, Seaton Sluice would be on the new express above anyway.
V514DFT   21 May 2024, 9:02 pm
(21 May 2024, 8:32 pm)Storx wrote Yeah you're right actually, wrong number. Yeah you're right with the 325/326 bridging the gap though.

I don't know, I just think there needs to be one bus to Blyth and it really needs to be the 309 but not via the doors of Battle Hill. Whitley Bay to Blyth currently is absolutely stupidly overbussed and they're dead, like literally. You'd be lucky if there's double figures on most of them, even at peak times since there's no real reason to go along there other than Cobalt or Whitley Bay, no-one sensible is going to use that route to Newcastle and would always choose the X7-X11/X30 instead as they're just quicker and there's literally nothing on the Coast Road to actually go to.

Even in the day of buses everywhere there was only ever 4 buses an hour on the 308 between Newcastle and Blyth via Seaton Sluice. What you do with the 306/307/308 is open really, so agree with some of the stuff your saying, probably best to ask those in Battle Hill where they actually want to be rather than giving a bus to somewhere they never go, as at the end of the day it's mostly for them really since all the main points; Whitley, Cobalt, NT Hospital, Blyth, Seaton Sluice would be on the new express above anyway.

Problem is merging, seems to have been a trend in the mid 2000's, and it wasnt just GNE at it, they all were
10/11,seems to have been merged with 13/14 over in South Tyneside, Arriva's 44 over in North Tyneside, the "60's" in North Tyneside, a load in Sunderland and Durham, its why we end up with silly routes that go all over the place

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Tez
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Storx   21 May 2024, 10:09 pm
(21 May 2024, 9:02 pm)V514DFT wrote Problem is merging, seems to have been a trend in the mid 2000's, and it wasnt just GNE at it, they all were
10/11,seems to have been merged with 13/14 over in South Tyneside, Arriva's 44 over in North Tyneside, the "60's" in North Tyneside, a load in Sunderland and Durham, its why we end up with silly routes that go all over the place

Aye can't disagree to be honest. Like if we're going down the real suggestion route and going all guns in, I'd love to see a proper cross city route which runs from Whitley Bay / Tynemouth right across to West Denton / Westerhope then less frequent services filling the gaps rather than buses round the doors of everywhere.

Maybe seeing routes on 10/11/38 corridors in the West and 38/306/307/308 to the East or similar (not going to suggest specifics). Now we don't have the 'territories' anything is open really. Similar with the North / South and having the likes of the Stagecoach 10/11/30/31 in Gosforth heading across the Tyne and merging onto the likes of the 53/54/57/58.

Cross city routes really suck in Newcastle imo and when you have multiple terminus points in multiple places in Newcastle, it's not a great place to interchange either.

It's a fair trek from Haymarket to Market Street for example, if it's pissing down with rain.
ASX_Terranova   07 Jun 2024, 10:29 pm
We already have the 90 & 92 to get workers to Team Valley would there be a market for an all day hourly service combining the two.
Aaron21   07 Jun 2024, 10:31 pm
(07 Jun 2024, 10:29 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote We already have the 90 & 92 to get workers to Team Valley would there be a market for an all day hourly service combining the two.

I suggest the 91 between Percy Main & Team Valley as it follows the 307/41/12/22 routes all at once and would be a nice link
ASX_Terranova   07 Jun 2024, 10:40 pm
(07 Jun 2024, 10:31 pm)Aaron21 wrote I suggest the 91 between Percy Main & Team Valley as it follows the 307/41/12/22 routes all at once and would be a nice link
What would it replace though, byker, wallsend and walker don't need any more buses. If you sent it to Winlaton you could maybe give Market Lane a regular service and also make Winlaton to Blaydon via Hole-In-The-Wall half-hourly.

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Aaron21   08 Jun 2024, 7:52 am
(07 Jun 2024, 10:40 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote What would it replace though, byker, wallsend and walker don't need any more buses. If you sent it to Winlaton you could maybe give Market Lane a regular service and also make Winlaton to Blaydon via Hole-In-The-Wall half-hourly.

Wouldn't replace anything. It wouldn't need to. It's a link from Percy Main to Team Valley that follows all of the above area that would be a direct link for people instead of having to change buses constantly
ASX_Terranova   20 Jun 2024, 11:57 am
Here is a idea for a few hourly Washington Locals. (All with a PVR of 2).

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Kibblesworth, Northisde Estate, Birtley, South Portobello, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Peel Retail Park

Reasoning
  • Service would replace TB14¬†improving overall capacity
  • Service would also connect Kibblesworth, Northside Estate, Blackfell Way & Dorset Avenue to The Galleries.
  • Would give buses back to Cambrian Way (Lambton & Richmond Avenue (Washington Village).

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Harlow Green, Wrekenton, Eighton Banks, Springwell Village, Donwell, B&Q Warehouse, Blackfell, The Galleries, Biddick, Fatfield Bridge, Harraton.

Reasoning
  • Service would replace TB22/TB23 improving overall capacity
  • Service would give Waverley Road more buses per Hour to Wrekenton and new direct links to the Galleries.
  • Would reinstate direct services from The to Donwell Bus Link & Bonemill Lane (Harraton).

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Waterview Park, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave, Concord, Albany, The Galleries, Glebe, Fatfield, Barnwell, Penshaw, Shiney Row, Success, Newbottle. 

Reasoning
  • Service would give Success Road, Coaley Lane, Windermere Crescent, Penshaw Village, The Limes & Langdale road direct buses to Washington.
  • Would also reinstate buses along Station Road (Sulgrave) and Direct Concord to Waterview Park buses.
  • Service would improve connections for Cherry Blossom Way Factories & Warehouses from Concord & The Galleries.
  • Easy Links would be opened up to Albany (Moorway) and nearby residents.

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V514DFT   20 Jun 2024, 12:38 pm
I'd love to see a rehash of the 87/88/88A/89

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Tez
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