First time I’ve seen the Metro ‘M’ symbol used on a Stagecoach destination: https://flic.kr/p/2mPY37n 

Could’ve been a bit bigger but nice it features nonetheless. Also, do you think it’s been included purely because it’s short-route destination so there was room for it? 

GNE only seem to include ‘M’ symbols on their Metro replacement buses - only if it’s a Streetdeck with double height destination screens:  https://flic.kr/p/2mPELpY

I always think the likes of GNE’s route 1 should have a ‘M’ symbol on their destination screens to indicate where in Gateshead it actually terminates. If there’s no room then maybe add ‘Int.’ for interchange.
‘Gateshead’ is rather vague.

The short 35 to wansbeck road metro also has the M

(10 Dec 2021, 8:04 pm)ThomasBooth123 wrote The short 35 to wansbeck road metro also has the M

Okay that’s good they’ve done that for short services terminating at Metro stations.

I wish they’re put a street name or station name instead of just ‘City Centre’.

(10 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm)ne14ne1 wrote First time I’ve seen the Metro ‘M’ symbol used on a Stagecoach destination: https://flic.kr/p/2mPY37n 

Could’ve been a bit bigger but nice it features nonetheless. Also, do you think it’s been included purely because it’s short-route destination so there was room for it? 

GNE only seem to include ‘M’ symbols on their Metro replacement buses - only if it’s a Streetdeck with double height destination screens:  https://flic.kr/p/2mPELpY

I always think the likes of GNE’s route 1 should have a ‘M’ symbol on their destination screens to indicate where in Gateshead it actually terminates. If there’s no room then maybe add ‘Int.’ for interchange.
‘Gateshead’ is rather vague.

(10 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm)ne14ne1 wrote First time I’ve seen the Metro ‘M’ symbol used on a Stagecoach destination: https://flic.kr/p/2mPY37n 

Could’ve been a bit bigger but nice it features nonetheless. Also, do you think it’s been included purely because it’s short-route destination so there was room for it? 

GNE only seem to include ‘M’ symbols on their Metro replacement buses - only if it’s a Streetdeck with double height destination screens:  https://flic.kr/p/2mPELpY

I always think the likes of GNE’s route 1 should have a ‘M’ symbol on their destination screens to indicate where in Gateshead it actually terminates. If there’s no room then maybe add ‘Int.’ for interchange.
‘Gateshead’ is rather vague.

I'm sure there was a falling out at one point (to do with the Washington - Heworth M services if I remember right) and in one fell swoop, GNE got rid of the liveries promoting connections at Heworth, renumbered the M1, M2 etc. And removed the Metro M logo from their blinds.

Might be remembering wrong mind.

(10 Dec 2021, 7:59 pm)ne14ne1 wrote First time I’ve seen the Metro ‘M’ symbol used on a Stagecoach destination: https://flic.kr/p/2mPY37n 

Could’ve been a bit bigger but nice it features nonetheless. Also, do you think it’s been included purely because it’s short-route destination so there was room for it? 

GNE only seem to include ‘M’ symbols on their Metro replacement buses - only if it’s a Streetdeck with double height destination screens:  https://flic.kr/p/2mPELpY

I always think the likes of GNE’s route 1 should have a ‘M’ symbol on their destination screens to indicate where in Gateshead it actually terminates. If there’s no room then maybe add ‘Int.’ for interchange.
‘Gateshead’ is rather vague.

Go North East appear to be giving the 'On Diversion' a go:

Go North East 6363/NK70 BYN by Garry McLeary, on Flickr

As one would expect, pretty clear on these displays. Would be interested to see how it's being done on the regular single-screen displays. Lothian have had to reduce theirs down to a symbol tucked to the side with no text.

I always think the likes of GNE’s route 1 should have a ‘M’ symbol on their destination screens to indicate where in Gateshead it actually terminates. If there’s no room then maybe add ‘Int.’ for interchange.
‘Gateshead’ is rather vague.

Personally don't see the problem with Gateshead it would be more confusing with Int though. That stands for international imo and that's the name of the athletics stadium.

I don't really see the point in it going over there anyway, we're supposed to be removing polluting vehicles and there's more than enough services for people from Byker to change to, terminating at the central station in Newcastle would be a better location imo and would offer argubly more connections since pretty much everything that leaves from Gateshead passes Central, Market Street or Newgate Street anyway.

(11 Dec 2021, 6:31 pm)S813 FVK wrote Go North East appear to be giving the 'On Diversion' a go:

Go North East 6363/NK70 BYN by Garry McLeary, on Flickr

As one would expect, pretty clear on these displays. Would be interested to see how it's being done on the regular single-screen displays. Lothian have had to reduce theirs down to a symbol tucked to the side with no text.

Oh that’s quite cool. Arrow needs some work though. Not as clear as Lothian’s arrow.

The’M’ was used a lot by all three major operators after Metro Integration, to show services terminating at Metro Stations. I seem to remember that they were phased out after deregulation.

(11 Dec 2021, 6:31 pm)S813 FVK wrote Go North East appear to be giving the 'On Diversion' a go:

Go North East 6363/NK70 BYN by Garry McLeary, on Flickr

As one would expect, pretty clear on these displays. Would be interested to see how it's being done on the regular single-screen displays. Lothian have had to reduce theirs down to a symbol tucked to the side with no text.

I might be missing something. Where is the diversion and what part of the route is it missing?

(12 Dec 2021, 11:12 am)Andreos1 wrote I might be missing something. Where is the diversion and what part of the route is it missing?

And when I am in Edinburgh....I think the same

https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscot...xe-2m5eYi3

(12 Dec 2021, 10:55 am)RMF1254 wrote The’M’ was used a lot by all three major operators after Metro Integration, to show services terminating at Metro Stations. I seem to remember that they were phased out after deregulation.

Yes they were definitely used a lot more in the era of printed blinds. I think I recall seeing the ‘M’ right up until the Coastline Optare Easy Access single decks on the 305 to Wallsend ‘M’.

Maybe if we eventually see some HD LED screens it’ll be easier (more legible) to include the ‘M’ symbol.

(12 Dec 2021, 11:12 am)Andreos1 wrote I might be missing something. Where is the diversion and what part of the route is it missing?

There's that, but I'm also left thinking what is the point.
Is it to stop people trying to hail the bus along the diverted route?

(12 Dec 2021, 1:35 pm)streetdeckfan wrote There's that, but I'm also left thinking what is the point.
Is it to stop people trying to hail the bus along the diverted route?

Nothing stops people from hailing the bus on a normal express route.

(12 Dec 2021, 11:21 am)citaro5284 wrote And when I am in Edinburgh....I think the same

https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscot...xe-2m5eYi3

Thought similar too. Can only see it adding to confusion.

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(12 Dec 2021, 1:35 pm)streetdeckfan wrote There's that, but I'm also left thinking what is the point.
Is it to stop people trying to hail the bus along the diverted route?

Can only think its for those people not on the bus. No use to those actually on it.

Assuming it's used on those sections where there bus is actually diverted. Except, that X46 in the picture looks to be actually on route.

(12 Dec 2021, 11:21 am)citaro5284 wrote And when I am in Edinburgh....I think the same

https://www.flickr.com/photos/busmanscot...xe-2m5eYi3

well the buses i was on up there had the arrow as per the picture but then once on board the screen gave you loads of information about which road was closed, which bus stops on the road were out of use and which were the temporary stops so no confusion for me. Even the fun police though it was great and she normally moans about everything!

(12 Dec 2021, 3:11 pm)Rob44 wrote well the buses i was on up there had the arrow as per the picture but then once on board the screen gave you loads of information about which road was closed, which bus stops on the road were out of use and which were the temporary stops so no confusion for me. Even the fun police though it was great and she normally moans about everything!

Quite a few of their older deckers (now getting phased out), dont have any screens, so I wonder how that would work with them.

(12 Dec 2021, 3:24 pm)citaro5284 wrote Quite a few of their older deckers (now getting phased out), dont have any screens, so I wonder how that would work with them.

No idea but all the buses i used have the information screens and were showing what tickets you could buy, telling about the cap if you used the same debit/credit card for all journeys, information about the extension of the trams, what buses you need to get to specific place ( like the XX to the zoo or the YY to the castle. pleasant drivers who were happy to see you and said goodbye when you alighted. Great service.

(12 Dec 2021, 3:39 pm)Rob44 wrote No idea but all the buses i used have the information screens and were showing what tickets you could buy, telling about the cap if you used the same debit/credit card for all journeys, information about the extension of the trams, what buses you need to get to specific place ( like the XX to the zoo or the YY to the castle. pleasant drivers who were happy to see you and said goodbye when you alighted. Great service.

Wow, you have been lucky, I have been on plenty of there big bertha's and you get no acknowledgement when getting off the centre doors and even witnessed a bloke trying to get off the front doors, he was told in no uncertain terms, he had to get off using the middle ones.

Please alight by middle doors seem a straightforward request to me? And i remember GNE drivers tell customers that when the dual doors buses were on the 21!!

(12 Dec 2021, 3:39 pm)Rob44 wrote No idea but all the buses i used have the information screens and were showing what tickets you could buy, telling about the cap if you used the same debit/credit card for all journeys, information about the extension of the trams, what buses you need to get to specific place ( like the XX to the zoo or the YY to the castle. pleasant drivers who were happy to see you and said goodbye when you alighted. Great service.

To be fair, you get most of this on a Go North East bus (those fitted with next stop announcements, anyway).

Be under no illusion that away from the main core network, Lothian have older buses without all the bells and whistles too, just like Go North East.

Appreciate other operators in the North East are lacking with this level of information on their screens.


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(12 Dec 2021, 4:27 pm)Dan wrote To be fair, you get most of this on a Go North East bus (those fitted with next stop announcements, anyway).

Be under no illusion that away from the main core network, Lothian have older buses without all the bells and whistles too, just like Go North East.

Appreciate other operators in the North East are lacking with this level of information on their screens.


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the main GNE buses i use dan are the 28a and 28b and the 29 so you can imagine the lothain buses i used to get around were positively luxurious

(12 Dec 2021, 4:36 pm)Rob44 wrote the main GNE buses i use dan are the 28a and 28b and the 29 so you can imagine the lothain buses i used to get around were positively luxurious

I can imagine, yes. These are the type of routes which made little to no profit pre-Covid and are likely to be hugely loss-making right now.

Lothian have routes like this themselves, where lower specification buses are allocated. Comparing apples with pears really!

Until just recently, Lothian were running 57/08-plate buses on frontline work which had no bells and whistles. The Versa used on the 28 were of an equal/higher specification (as the Lothian buses didn’t have Wi-Fi).

I love Edinburgh and very regularly visit - after a few times you can see it’s not as great as it’s made out to be, or how it feels once you’ve used a few buses in and out of Princes Street.


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(12 Dec 2021, 4:44 pm)Dan wrote I can imagine, yes. These are the type of routes which made little to no profit pre-Covid and are likely to be hugely loss-making right now.

Lothian have routes like this themselves, where lower specification buses are allocated. Comparing apples with pears really!

Until just recently, Lothian were running 57/08-plate buses on frontline work which had no bells and whistles. The Versa used on the 28 were of an equal/higher specification (as the Lothian buses didn’t have Wi-Fi).

I love Edinburgh and very regularly visit - after a few times you can see it’s not as great as it’s made out to be, or how it feels once you’ve used a few buses in and out of Princes Street.


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to be fair  i stayed a cameron toll which is on a busy route into the centre, its near the new hospital i think and has a number of different services serving the route. . but once again i have to say i traveled almost a dozen time's over the 3 days and all the buses were great. Bus stops also had real time information ( which they've had for years)  and also the buses were very clean. only let down was that the bus stop to get on and the one to get off were both " out of use" due to covid so had to walk quite a distance to a bus stop with no shelter but i blame wee jimmy for that.

Getting back to the Diversion sing on screen though i can imagine it being confusing if there were no information to go with it but on all the buses i travel on there was so it made perfect sense to me  and the " none bus enthusiast Mrs" who was with me so it obviously works !

Surely the ‘route diversion’ wording/symbol is displayed from the very beginning of the route so that all passengers boarding can ask the driver if they are unaware of the diverted route.

(12 Dec 2021, 5:14 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Surely the ‘route diversion’ wording/symbol is displayed from the very beginning of the route so that all passengers boarding can ask the driver if they are unaware of the diverted route.

You could have a bus say leave Consett and by the time they get to the Redheugh Bridge there is an accident on it and it needs to be diverted say across the Tyne Bridge and miss out Central Station, but when the bus left Consett, nothing was wrong.

so are we saying the picture shows a bus traveling to town with an incident that has occurred on route that wasn't expected or was it showing that due to a raod been closed that they knew of in advance. be nice to know the context of the photo?

(12 Dec 2021, 4:44 pm)Dan wrote Until just recently, Lothian were running 57/08-plate buses on frontline work which had no bells and whistles. The Versa used on the 28 were of an equal/higher specification (as the Lothian buses didn’t have Wi-Fi).

I love Edinburgh and very regularly visit - after a few times you can see it’s not as great as it’s made out to be, or how it feels once you’ve used a few buses in and out of Princes Street.

You seem to be suggesting 57/08-plate bare bones buses shouldn't be on frontline work, while all 3 big NE operators use older stock on frontline work daily with zero creature comforts?

On the point of "you can see it’s not as great as it’s made out to be" - I've used Lothian's services quite a bit, particularly when I was living up in Scotland. The bus has always been well presented (even if I don't like the colours in the livery/interior), generally bang on time, and got me to where I need to go for a reasonable price. They seem to give a lot of attention to the basics of bus travel, which is appreciated by everyone I know who lives in Edinburgh and relies on their services. Maybe if NE operators gave as much attention to the basics as Lothian do, they wouldn't constantly be crying out over low passenger numbers...

(12 Dec 2021, 5:21 pm)citaro5284 wrote You could have a bus say leave Consett and by the time they get to the Redheugh Bridge there is an accident on it and it needs to be diverted say across the Tyne Bridge and miss out Central Station, but when the bus left Consett, nothing was wrong.

Well that’s different, that’s an unplanned thing. You wouldn’t need anything on the destination screen for that as during its diversion over the Tyne Bridge you aren’t going to have people trying to flag it down, (or you shouldn’t as that bus number wouldn’t be listed on their bus stop).
Passengers already onboard will be able to see there was an incident or the driver ideally would explain they’re going to have to divert.

Surely the whole point of a diversion symbol on the destination screen (from the beginning of the route) is to notify people boarding that there is a planned diversion and they should check if they need to alight at a different stop to usual, should the bus be rerouted away from their normal stop.