(13 Oct 2016, 9:53 am)Michael wrote Wonder if the changes, is the reason why 3943 has yet to be rebranded, probables move else where now.

Or will be retained at Washington to replace a President and so it can be a spare on Saturdays (or X88 when not required) when the frequency remains at every 10 minutes?

(13 Oct 2016, 11:27 am)citaro5284 wrote Has Dan as mentioned before if I remember rightly, the bit between Jarrow and North Shields is paid for by Nexus, so it is up to them how they want to spend the cash.

But the frequency is the same so it isn't really down to them for the rest of the timetable. GNE have decided to reduce the frequency of the Sunderland-Jarrow section

(13 Oct 2016, 2:51 pm)missedbus wrote New X1 PVR does appear to be 13, and the route has 10 minutes layover scheduled at each end off-peak. So very similar to the 56 and indeed the 27.

I say 'PVR' but really mean the vehicle requirement off-peak. Saturday will need 15 buses, as it stays every 10 minutes, and the journey times are the same, although the layover is slightly shorter. I'd suggest that the off-peak Monday to Friday boards will be allocated the B9TLs, and the 2 extra Saturday boards will use buses used on Washington schools and misc workings during the week. The N94UDs might be ready by then, and would be preferable to the B7TLs.

(13 Oct 2016, 9:28 am)Michael wrote New timetables for the changes from the 6th November are starting to go on the "Go North East" site:


Note, that the new 2/2A timetable only shows those services now, not the 39, it's also down as "Go North East"



The 9 timetable though.... https://assets.goaheadbus.com/media/cms_...ov2016.pdf

The new 9 timetable is horrendous, it's been done so awkwardly, for example the 10:15 from Sunderland runs to North Shields, then does a round trip on the shorts then runs from North Shields to Sunderland then does the 12:55 to Jarrow then comes back to Sunderland then does the 13:35 short to Jarrow and back then does the 15:15 from Sunderland then comes back from North Shields all the way to Sunderland then does full round trips until end of service.

(13 Oct 2016, 4:20 pm)Y935 ERG wrote The new 9 timetable is horrendous, it's been done so awkwardly, for example the 10:15 from Sunderland runs to North Shields, then does a round trip on the shorts then runs from North Shields to Sunderland then does the 12:55 to Jarrow then comes back to Sunderland then does the 13:35 short to Jarrow and back then does the 15:15 from Sunderland then comes back from North Shields all the way to Sunderland then does full round trips until end of service.

It isn't really hard to understand or horrendous... I'm guessing it's been done because the 9 doesn't justify a 15 minute service from Jarrow-Sunderland so they reduced it to 20 so they had to do something to change it.

Every 30 minutes North Shields-Jarrow
Every 20 minutes Jarrow-Sunderland

Not sure why it makes a different which runs the bus does either.

(13 Oct 2016, 4:20 pm)Y935 ERG wrote The new 9 timetable is horrendous, it's been done so awkwardly, for example the 10:15 from Sunderland runs to North Shields, then does a round trip on the shorts then runs from North Shields to Sunderland then does the 12:55 to Jarrow then comes back to Sunderland then does the 13:35 short to Jarrow and back then does the 15:15 from Sunderland then comes back from North Shields all the way to Sunderland then does full round trips until end of service.

Does it really matter to the normal passengers how the buses work the service? They ain't bothered so long as a bus turns up, doesn't matter where it's come from, it only matters where it's going...

It is a bit of a faff for us to work out where a specific bus may be on any given day but still possible to figure out if you have a timetable on hand to work it out like you've done here.

So will Deptford be taking over the runs? They probably are judging by Vosa but to me the timetable looks like it has been designed for Percy Main to take it over as there won't be any buses that won't run to North Shields if you know what I mean

(13 Oct 2016, 4:49 pm)Tom wrote So will Deptford be taking over the runs? They probably are judging by Vosa but to me the timetable looks like it has been designed for Percy Main to take it over as there won't be any buses that won't run to North Shields if you know what I mean

Looks more likely, It looks more designed for Deptford imo, The last North Shields round trip leaves Park Lane at 2250 and the last bus out of Park Lane ( The former Howdon Terminator ) -
Leaves at 2320.
The North Shields round trip returns from NS at 2324 for a 0014 arrival at PL and dead to Deptford, While the Jarrow short is dead from Jarrow to Deptford ( A Journey of around 13 mins down the A19 )

Dead mileage on the morning however is pretty severe, Atleast one or two runs to North Shields from Deptford through the tunnel, There could be a case of two Percy runs on a morning but I doubt that one.

(13 Oct 2016, 5:00 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote Looks more likely, It looks more designed for Deptford imo, The last North Shields round trip leaves Park Lane at 2250 and the last bus out of Park Lane ( The former Howdon Terminator ) -
Leaves at 2320.  
The North Shields round trip returns from NS at 2324 for a 0014 arrival at PL and dead to Deptford, While the Jarrow short is dead from Jarrow to Deptford ( A Journey of around 13 mins down the A19 )

Dead mileage on the morning however is pretty severe, Atleast one or two runs to North Shields from Deptford through the tunnel, There could be a case of two Percy runs on a morning but I doubt that one.

I just thought that now not all of the boards serve North Shields but they all seem to now but it could just be due to the timetable change.

Never saw the Howdon road run now terminates at Jarrow so maybe it could be Deptford. Though there is still the 2341 arrival into North Shields which would have to run light to Deptford and there is 0016 arrival into Park Lane which runs light to Park Lane now so the 0014 probably still could but I'm not sure to be honest.

Noticed the 39 changes aren't on yet

(13 Oct 2016, 12:11 pm)Greg in Weardale wrote The new 9 is yet another idiotic, illogical timetable which is probably the start of the terminal decline of the through service - echoes of the X3. At the moment it's cut, cut, cut at GNE.

Stagecoach Sunderland went the same a few months ago, they cut a few services and changed a lot of their routes..... so its not just GNE........

PB0002400/288 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange and Hartlepool, Marina Way given service number X5 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/325 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and WINGATE given service number 206 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/484 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange and Peterlee Bus Station given service number X7 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/485 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee Bus Station and Middlesbrough Bus Station given service number X7 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/486 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee Bus Station and Seaham, Byron Place given service number 202 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/516 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 209/210 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/516 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 209/210 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/517 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between DURHAM BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 208 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable

1. PB0002400/620 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Sunderland, Burdon Road 'Winter Gardens'
     
   • Finish Point: Peterlee, Oakerside Park
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: X7
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays)
     
2. PB0002400/621 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Sunderland, Burdon Road, 'Winter Gardens'
     
   • Finish Point: Hartlepool, Marina Way
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: X6
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays)
     
3. PB0002400/622 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Station Town, Front Street
     
   • Finish Point: Seaham, Byron Place
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: 202
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday
     

(14 Oct 2016, 12:42 pm)citaro5284 wrote PB0002400/288 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange and Hartlepool, Marina Way given service number X5 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

Is this just the X35 being re-numbered X5, or is it a new express service between Sunderland and Hartlepool, or just simply a Vosa Registration error?

(14 Oct 2016, 12:42 pm)citaro5284 wrote PB0002400/288 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange and Hartlepool, Marina Way given service number X5 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/325 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and WINGATE given service number 206 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/484 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange and Peterlee Bus Station given service number X7 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/485 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee Bus Station and Middlesbrough Bus Station given service number X7 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/486 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee Bus Station and Seaham, Byron Place given service number 202 effective from 04-Dec-2016.

PB0002400/516 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 209/210 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/516 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between PETERLEE BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 209/210 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable.

PB0002400/517 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
Variation Accepted: Operating between DURHAM BUS STATION and PETERLEE BUS STATION given service number 208 effective from 04-Dec-2016. To amend Timetable

2. PB0002400/620 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   
   
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Sunderland, Burdon Road 'Winter Gardens'
     
   • Finish Point: Peterlee, Oakerside Park
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: X7
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays)
3. PB0002400/621 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Sunderland, Burdon Road, 'Winter Gardens'
     
   • Finish Point: Hartlepool, Marina Way
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: X6
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping/Limited Stop
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except public holidays)
     
4. PB0002400/622 - GO NORTHERN LTD T/A GO NORTH EAST, 117 QUEEN STREET, GATESHEAD, NE8 2UA
   • Registration Accepted
     
   • Starting Point: Station Town, Front Street
     
   • Finish Point: Seaham, Byron Place
     
   • Via:
     
   • Service Number: 202
     
   • Service Type: Normal Stopping
     
   • Effective Date: 04-DEC-2016
     
   • Other Details: Monday to Saturday
     

No cancellation or revision to the existing X7, but a new X7 that doesn't go to Borough...

(14 Oct 2016, 1:28 pm)Andreos1 wrote No cancellation or revision to the existing X7, but a new X7 that doesn't go to Borough...

That section has been binned off, with a better frequency I gather with what's left inc the new expresses.

(14 Oct 2016, 1:28 pm)Andreos1 wrote No cancellation or revision to the existing X7, but a new X7 that doesn't go to Borough...

The current X7 registrations are cancelled as shown in the above post.

Guessing that the X5 will just be a renumbered X35, unsure what the X6 will be but I'm going to speculate it could combine with the X7 between Sunderland and Peterlee and then continue onto Hartlepool.

Think these changes could be either make or break for Go North East.

(14 Oct 2016, 1:34 pm)Jimmi wrote The current X7 registrations are cancelled as shown in the above post.

Guessing that the X5 will just be a renumbered X35, unsure what the X6 will be but I'm going to speculate it could combine with the X7 between Sunderland and Peterlee and then continue onto Hartlepool.

Think these changes could be either make or break for Go North East.

Wonder if the 61 will come into it somehow, as I would imagine passenger numbers would be low otherwise depending on the routing and frequency of these new express services.

(14 Oct 2016, 1:34 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote That section has been binned off, with a better frequency I gather with what's left inc the new expresses.

Yeah, that's what it is looking like.
I wonder if one of the Solo routes will pick up slack off the Peterlee - Wingate section or if a Hartlepool express is sent that way. 

(14 Oct 2016, 1:34 pm)Jimmi wrote The current X7 registrations are cancelled as shown in the above post.

Guessing that the X5 will just be a renumbered X35, unsure what the X6 will be but I'm going to speculate it could combine with the X7 between Sunderland and Peterlee and then continue onto Hartlepool.

Think these changes could be either make or break for Go North East.

I completely missed the cancellation. Read it a few times too.

(14 Oct 2016, 2:13 pm)Andreos1 wrote Yeah, that's what it is looking like.
I wonder if one of the Solo routes will pick up slack off the Peterlee - Wingate section or if a Hartlepool express is sent that way. 


I completely missed the cancellation. Read it a few times too.

202 going to Station Town by the looks of it

(14 Oct 2016, 3:05 pm)Tom wrote 202 going to Station Town by the looks of it

Andreos1 didn't do a very good job of reading citaro5284's post at all!

(14 Oct 2016, 3:05 pm)Tom wrote 202 going to Station Town by the looks of it

Yeah, seems that way.
Curious as to whether it's operating the same route as the X7 between Peterlee and Station Town (and return) or a different way and back to Peterlee, say via Hutton Henry and the A19.

(14 Oct 2016, 3:35 pm)Andreos1 wrote Yeah, seems that way.
Curious as to whether it's operating the same route as the X7 between Peterlee and Station Town (and return) or a different way and back to Peterlee, say via Hutton Henry and the A19.

Not sure I would think the current X7 route as the 206 already goes to Hutton Henry and it doesn't look like thats been cancelled.

(14 Oct 2016, 3:35 pm)Andreos1 wrote Yeah, seems that way.
Curious as to whether it's operating the same route as the X7 between Peterlee and Station Town (and return) or a different way and back to Peterlee, say via Hutton Henry and the A19.

I do wonder if it could be some form of a circular service like the 206, especially as the registration has the terminus as Station Town, Front Street. Don't think there is anywhere in Station Town suitable to turn a bus around at, there is a sizable mini roundabout but I think it would be a struggle u-turning there.

(13 Oct 2016, 2:17 pm)Adrian wrote I'm very surprised that the X1 is being reduced to 12 minutes, given how busy the Washington to Newcastle stretch is. The queues at Washington and Newcastle through the day don't take two minutes to build back up.

I couldn't agree more. I could see sense if the Newcastle to Washington section was increased to operate every 7 minutes, then Washington to Easington Lane was every 12.

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(13 Oct 2016, 2:17 pm)Adrian wrote I'm very surprised that the X1 is being reduced to 12 minutes, given how busy the Washington to Newcastle stretch is. The queues at Washington and Newcastle through the day don't take two minutes to build back up.

Same here, It is good that they are re-timing the Indigo's to improve connections with the X1 in the evening at The Galleries, lost count the amount of times I missed that connection after 7pm.

(14 Oct 2016, 3:45 pm)Tom wrote Not sure I would think the current X7 route as the 206 already goes to Hutton Henry and it doesn't look like thats been cancelled.

(14 Oct 2016, 3:58 pm)Jimmi wrote I do wonder if it could be some form of a circular service like the 206, especially as the registration has the terminus as Station Town, Front Street. Don't think there is anywhere in Station Town suitable to turn a bus around at, there is a sizable mini roundabout but I think it would be a struggle u-turning there.

I can't think of anywhere for it to turn around either. However the junction off the southbound A19 in to Hutton Henry isn't the best - so it would appear to rule out the circular type route (certainly via Hutton Henry in both directions anyway).

Taking in to account the 'via Blackhall' route between Hartlepool and Peterlee that the X35 uses and the Wingate/Station Town route that the X7 currently uses, I wonder if the A19/A179 junction just south of Hutton Henry will be used and whether one of the new services to Hartlepool will go via Wingate.

(14 Oct 2016, 4:51 pm)Andreos1 wrote I can't think of anywhere for it to turn around either. However the junction off the southbound A19 in to Hutton Henry isn't the best - so it would appear to rule out the circular type route (certainly via Hutton Henry in both directions anyway).

Taking in to account the 'via Blackhall' route between Hartlepool and Peterlee that the X35 uses and the Wingate/Station Town route that the X7 currently uses, I wonder if the A19/A179 junction just south of Hutton Henry will be used and whether one of the new services to Hartlepool will go via Wingate.

Yeah - I imagine it would do what the 206 does now. In via Wingate and then back up the A19 via Hutton Henry.

These changes will make interesting reading indeed.

(14 Oct 2016, 4:51 pm)Andreos1 wrote I can't think of anywhere for it to turn around either. However the junction off the southbound A19 in to Hutton Henry isn't the best - so it would appear to rule out the circular type route (certainly via Hutton Henry in both directions anyway).

Taking in to account the 'via Blackhall' route between Hartlepool and Peterlee that the X35 uses and the Wingate/Station Town route that the X7 currently uses, I wonder if the A19/A179 junction just south of Hutton Henry will be used and whether one of the new services to Hartlepool will go via Wingate.

The registration for the X6 doesn't give much away in regards to the route it will take between Hartlepool and Sunderland, could be possible that it could run via Wingate and Station Town, doubt Scarlet Band would be too happy about that though.

I think there could be a new X8 or X11 which is the current X7.

It seems odd they're starting from the Winter Gardens although it could be easier for passengers who'll use them.