(28 Nov 2017, 7:11 pm)Michael wrote Na there both getting refurbished too.

The 4 might get USB when they away for warranty repaint...

I'd predict 3 Omnis transferring to Washington as the spares for the 4 & 50 (and 5 whatever is happening with that) allowing 5324 and 5337/8 to transfer elsewhere.

I'll also predict a few also transferring to Stanley. Not only one to replace 5248, but also a few more to convert some of the double deck Toon Link boards to single deck with the Omnidekkas transferring elsewhere to replace B7TLs.

I don't know about the rest though. Perhaps the 19 could be a good option.

(28 Nov 2017, 6:14 pm)deanmachine wrote It says a direct link to Newcastle from the Scotch Estate, so I doubt they'll needlessly change to a 27 again in Jarrow, it'll be 26/27 the whole way. You'd think.

The way I read it, was that all buses between Newcastle and Jarrow were 27's. At Jarrow, the route splits.
26 - Shields via Hosp.
27 - Shields via Tyne Dock.

If you're getting on at Hebburn and needing to go to S Tyneside hosp, you will see a 27 approaching. Do you stop it in the hope it changes to a 26? Do you stop it and ask the driver if they're changing to a 26? Or do you use the timetable (bearing in mind they're running at 10min intervals on that stretch) and board it, knowing that the bus due, is going to change in to a 26?

(28 Nov 2017, 7:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote The way I read it, was that all buses between Newcastle and Jarrow were 27's. At Jarrow, the route splits.
26 - Shields via Hosp.
27 - Shields via Tyne Dock.

If you're getting on at Hebburn and needing to go to S Tyneside hosp, you will see a 27 approaching. Do you stop it in the hope it changes to a 26? Do you stop it and ask the driver if they're changing to a 26? Or do you use the timetable (bearing in mind they're running at 10min intervals on that stretch) and board it, knowing that the bus due, is going to change in to a 26?

Nope. This is incorrect. Read the information again for clarity.

Dan/Citaro5284 can you put a word ib to get the GNE news page reworded please

(28 Nov 2017, 7:32 pm)ifm001 wrote Nope. This is incorrect. Read the information again for clarity.

Dan/Citaro5284 can you put a word ib to get the GNE news page reworded please

What is it meant to be then?

Increased frequency of the Crusader 27 service, which will operate every 10 minutes between Newcastle, Gateshead, Hebburn and Jarrow. From Jarrow towards South Shields, buses will operate every 20 minutes on the current 27 route via Tyne Dock, and every 20 minutes on the number 26 via South Tyneside District Hospital, replacing service 88/88A.

26 and 27 both operating between Newcastle and Shields? But splitting at Jarrow?

The way that I've read it was that the 26 and 27 from Newcastle to jarrow then 27 normal route to Shields and the 26 having its own route to Shields from jarrow replacing some of the 88 series route


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my question is what will the evening/sunday service be like

at present both 27 and 88 operate every 30 mins at these times. Will the 26/27 continue every 30 mins between them giving a hourly service on each between Jarrow and Shields or will they both go every 30 mins giving a doubled frequency of every 15 mins between Newcastle and Jarrow.
wont be long til we find out.

(28 Nov 2017, 7:36 pm)Andreos1 wrote What is it meant to be then?


26 and 27 both operating between Newcastle and Shields? But splitting at Jarrow?

Yes. 

The full details of all the service changes with timetables etc will be posted later, that is just a brief summary of what will be happening.

(28 Nov 2017, 7:39 pm)S813 FVK wrote Yes. 

The full details of all the service changes with timetables etc will be posted later, that is just a brief summary of what will be happening.

Oof, I think it is very poorly worded if that is the case.
No mention at all of the the 26 running between Newcastle and Jarrow in the press release.

(28 Nov 2017, 7:41 pm)Andreos1 wrote Oof, I think it is very poorly worded if that is the case.
No mention at all of the the 26 running between Newcastle and Jarrow in the press release.

"The 26 service via South Tyneside Hospital, will also provide new direct links to Newcastle and Gateshead from parts of Jarrow such as Primrose and Scotch Estate."

According to Nexus timetables, current running times

Service 27
South Shields to Jarrow 20 Minutes
Service 88
South Shields to Jarrow 40 Minutes
Service 27
Jarrow to Newcastle 43 minutes

Giving a possible 26 South Shields to Newcastle just short of an hour and a half.

Roughly the same as the 50 all the way to Durham.

I'm potentially 15/20 minutes into the 26 route from Shields and if the are problems on the metro id be using the 26 as an alternative but I wouldn't be happy at having to sit for at least another hour from getting on.

Bring back the expresses !!!

(28 Nov 2017, 7:49 pm)S813 FVK wrote "The 26 service via South Tyneside Hospital, will also provide new direct links to Newcastle and Gateshead from parts of Jarrow such as Primrose and Scotch Estate."

Using the information provided (that seems to be misleading and/or badly worded), that 26 will change to a 27 at Jarrow and run at a 10min frequency.

Increased frequency of the Crusader 27 service, which will operate every 10 minutes between Newcastle, Gateshead, Hebburn and Jarrow.

So yeah, it is a direct service. Regardless of how badly written the info is and whether or not the 26 changes to a 27 or runs alongside it

Another mess created by Go North East. What on earth is the point of having a bus service from South Shields to North Shields via such a circuitous route? Indeed what’s the point of a service between the two towns, when the ferry takes only 7 minutes? Surely the intelligent way of satisfying the demand for a direct bus from Hebburn to Sunderland would have been to extend the service 9 journeys which currently terminate at Jarrow, leaving the North Shields-Sunderland link intact, albeit only hourly. Yes, this would have created a 40/20 split between buses running from Sunderland to Hebburn, but sometimes this can’t be avoided.

Now North Shields will have another GNE route covering places no-one will want to visit, to add to the other useless routes serving the town, i.e. to Wrekenton, Kibblesworth and the very lengthy routes to the Metrocentre, Cramlington and Kingston Park. It’s all very well arguing that the demand for travel from North Shields to Sunderland was not very heavy, however it’s even less likely that people will want to travel the full length of the extended service 5. It appears that GNE bus routes are designed to satisfy GNE, and not the people it should be serving. Thank Goodness for the Metro.

(29 Nov 2017, 3:34 pm)Ex-conductor wrote Another mess created by Go North East. What on earth is the point of having a bus service from South Shields to North Shields via such a circuitous route? Indeed what’s the point of a service between the two towns, when the ferry takes only 7 minutes? Surely the intelligent way of satisfying the demand for a direct bus from Hebburn to Sunderland would have been to extend the service 9 journeys which currently terminate at Jarrow, leaving the North Shields-Sunderland link intact, albeit only hourly. Yes, this would have created a 40/20 split between buses running from Sunderland to Hebburn, but sometimes this can’t be avoided.

Now North Shields will have another GNE route covering places no-one will want to visit, to add to the other useless routes serving the town, i.e. to Wrekenton, Kibblesworth and the very lengthy routes to the Metrocentre, Cramlington and Kingston Park. It’s all very well arguing that the demand for travel from North Shields to Sunderland was not very heavy, however it’s even less likely that people will want to travel the full length of the extended service 5. It appears that GNE bus routes are designed to satisfy GNE, and not the people it should be serving. Thank Goodness for the Metro.

Because people like me who live on the route between South shields and Boldon like to go to Royal Quays and North Shields as there are more shops that in South Shields. So its not a pointless service in any means.

(29 Nov 2017, 3:34 pm)Ex-conductor wrote Another mess created by Go North East. What on earth is the point of having a bus service from South Shields to North Shields via such a circuitous route? Indeed what’s the point of a service between the two towns, when the ferry takes only 7 minutes? Surely the intelligent way of satisfying the demand for a direct bus from Hebburn to Sunderland would have been to extend the service 9 journeys which currently terminate at Jarrow, leaving the North Shields-Sunderland link intact, albeit only hourly. Yes, this would have created a 40/20 split between buses running from Sunderland to Hebburn, but sometimes this can’t be avoided.

Now North Shields will have another GNE route covering places no-one will want to visit, to add to the other useless routes serving the town, i.e. to Wrekenton, Kibblesworth and the very lengthy routes to the Metrocentre, Cramlington and Kingston Park. It’s all very well arguing that the demand for travel from North Shields to Sunderland was not very heavy, however it’s even less likely that people will want to travel the full length of the extended service 5. It appears that GNE bus routes are designed to satisfy GNE, and not the people it should be serving. Thank Goodness for the Metro.

As already explained, the point is that people live along the route. No one is going to step out of their front door, straight onto a ferry and finish their journey at the other side, without some further travel.

It's a bit like asking why ANE have a bus that takes 90 minutes to get to Sunderland from Durham, when GNE have one that takes 50.

(29 Nov 2017, 4:40 pm)ifm001 wrote Because people like me who live on the route between South shields and Boldon like to go to Royal Quays and North Shields as there are more shops that in South Shields. So its not a pointless service in any means.

I’m afraid that my point is being missed here. I am concentrating on travel from North Shields, and my main point is that it is more likely that passengers will want to travel from there to Sunderland, rather than to any of the points offered beyond Jarrow. Currently service 9 goes through Boldon Colliery on the way to Sunderland. So through travel to North Shields and the Royal Quays will be new to people living between Boldon and South Shields; it is not an established link as you seem to imply.

(29 Nov 2017, 6:43 pm)Ex-conductor wrote I’m afraid that my point is being missed here. I am concentrating on travel from North Shields, and my main point is that it is more likely that passengers will want to travel from there to Sunderland, rather than to any of the points offered beyond Jarrow. Currently service 9 goes through Boldon Colliery on the way to Sunderland. So through travel to North Shields and the Royal Quays will be new to people living between Boldon and South Shields; it is not an established link as you seem to imply.

No-one (except enthusiasts, perhaps!), would be likely to travel from North Shields to, say, Whiteleas Estate on the 5 (likely to be around an hour). It would be far quicker to take the ferry and a bus from South Shields (35-40 minutes). I feel this has only been done for operational convenience to ensure the cross-river link was still provided after the service changes with the diversion of the 9, and not primarily to introduce a new link. 

I've travelled to Boldon and Sunderland a few times on the 9 from North Shields. Quite often I was one of very few people on board the bus in the Tyne tunnel, most of whom alighted at Jarrow.

South Shields to North Shields via everywhere else really is a curious one, but not unique... metro?

(29 Nov 2017, 6:43 pm)Ex-conductor wrote I’m afraid that my point is being missed here. I am concentrating on travel from North Shields, and my main point is that it is more likely that passengers will want to travel from there to Sunderland, rather than to any of the points offered beyond Jarrow. Currently service 9 goes through Boldon Colliery on the way to Sunderland. So through travel to North Shields and the Royal Quays will be new to people living between Boldon and South Shields; it is not an established link as you seem to imply.

Nope. You quoted

"what on earth is the point in having a service from South Shields to North Shields"

I have given you an answer to this question.

Do you live on the route or even the vicinity of the South Tyneside area. If not please do not question why the folks of shields like to visit the other folks of Shields.

For the 5 im from boldon i only use to it to shields and back but might be good for some pople creating new links for shops etc but if it was to do that cut it off at whitleas and hedworth all them places that it goes in out and off, the 9 looks like a good idea juat have to wait and see

(29 Nov 2017, 7:47 pm)ifm001 wrote Nope. You quoted

"what on earth is the point in having a service from South Shields to North Shields"

I have given you an answer to this question.

Do you live on the route or even the vicinity of the South Tyneside area. If not please do not question why the folks of shields like to visit the other folks of Shields.

No, as implied in my previous post I don't live in South Tyneside. I live in North Shields, and I will continue to question why my home town is losing its direct link to Sunderland, which was first established 50 years ago when the Tyne road tunnel first opened. If you live in the area between Boldon and South Shields, you do not currently have a direct bus to North Shields. You either use a bus to Jarrow, then change to service 9, or use the ferry and a local bus within North Shields. If that's the case, you are defending a new direct bus link at the expense of an established link.

(29 Nov 2017, 10:38 pm)Ex-conductor wrote No, as implied in my previous post I don't live in South Tyneside. I live in North Shields, and I will continue to question why my home town is losing its direct link to Sunderland, which was first established 50 years ago when the Tyne road tunnel first opened. If you live in the area between Boldon and South Shields, you do not currently have a direct bus to North Shields. You either use a bus to Jarrow, then change to service 9, or use the ferry and a local bus within North Shields. If that's the case, you are defending a new direct bus link at the expense of an established link.

And as I said, I answered your first question which was, Why on earth is there going to be a service from South Shields to North Shields.

You asked the question. I answered the question.

(30 Nov 2017, 8:13 am)ifm001 wrote And as I said, I answered your first question which was, Why on earth is there going to be a service from South Shields to North Shields.

You asked the question. I answered the question.

Equally I gave my reason for criticising the extension to service 5, since it comes about at the expense of the loss of service 9 from North Shields. You are considering this from someone living in South Shields; my concern is what's happening in North Shields.
I see no further point in continuing this dialogue, and so I now consider it closed.

PB0003954/739 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: South Shields, Market to Jarrow, Bus Station
Service number: 5
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/736 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange to North Shields, Rudyerd Street
Service number: 9
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/677 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: South Shields, Coronation Street to Lukes Lane, Morecombe Parade
Service number: 88 (88A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/776 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Station Est, Murton via Grangetown, Ryhope, New Seaham
Service number: 61
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

Wonder what the changes are to the 61?

(01 Dec 2017, 7:28 pm)Michael wrote PB0003954/739 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: South Shields, Market to Jarrow, Bus Station
Service number: 5
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/736 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange to North Shields, Rudyerd Street
Service number: 9
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/677 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: South Shields, Coronation Street to Lukes Lane, Morecombe Parade
Service number: 88 (88A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

PB0003954/776 Cancelled
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland to Station Est, Murton via Grangetown, Ryhope, New Seaham
Service number: 61
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Jan 2018

Wonder what the changes are to the 61?

I've heard rumours about interworking with the 9.

(01 Dec 2017, 7:42 pm)deanmachine wrote I've heard rumours about interworking with the 9.

The 9 is getting Citaro's, nothing on the post from Go North East for the 61... i can't see it being 2 different buses on the route (Citaro and Scania).

(01 Dec 2017, 7:49 pm)Michael wrote The 9 is getting Citaro's, nothing on the post from Go North East for the 61... i can't see it being 2 different buses on the route (Citaro and Scania).

I agree, I don't know how it would work, just heard rumours is all.

(01 Dec 2017, 7:49 pm)Michael wrote The 9 is getting Citaro's, nothing on the post from Go North East for the 61... i can't see it being 2 different buses on the route (Citaro and Scania).

61 doesn't operate in South Tyneside, probably why any changes to that service were omitted.

I think the 10 reg Citaro's will go on the new 9 (Sunderland to Lukes Lanes via Jarrow and Hebburn) as 5336 is also at Deptford.

The new 9 should take around 72 or so minutes each way (144 in total)... so if it was:


Every 30 minutes full route, the PVR would be 5
Every 20 minutes full route, the PVR would be 8

I think the route will be every 20 minutes with 5336 as a spare for the 9


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5305-5309, 5325-27 for the 35, like now

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5337/5338 extra spares at Deptford (for the X5, 9 and 35)

5323/24 to Riverside

or vice versa

(03 Dec 2017, 10:18 am)Michael wrote I think the 10 reg Citaro's will go on the new 9 (Sunderland to Lukes Lanes via Jarrow and Hebburn) as 5336 is also at Deptford.

The new 9 should take around 72 or so minutes each way (144 in total)... so if it was:


Every 30 minutes full route, the PVR would be 5
Every 20 minutes full route, the PVR would be 8

I think the route will be every 20 minutes with 5336 as a spare for the 9


------------------------

5305-5309, 5325-27 for the 35, like now


5337/5338 extra spares at Deptford (for the X5, 9 and 35)

5323/24 to Riverside

Was it not said 5305 - 09 were going on the 61?