(31 Jan 2020, 9:19 am)streetdeckfan wrote 6332 is sounding a bit iffy again, idle seems to be a lot more rattly than usual.

And just in case anyone wasn't fed up with me bringing up NSA, it seems to be stuck on the southbound journey, announcing 'This is X21 to Bishop Auckland' even on the northbound journey and not announcing any stops. It's a welcome bit of silence!

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Had passengers moaning about the blurb about Newxastle's new castle, yesterday.

(31 Jan 2020, 11:51 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Had passengers moaning about the blurb about Newxastle's new castle, yesterday.

It does go on a bit like! Same at Durham as well.

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(31 Jan 2020, 11:54 pm)streetdeckfan wrote It does go on a bit like! Same at Durham as well.

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StreetDeckFan,

I really don't want to be rude, but could you perhaps zip it?

Literally, all you do is whinge about the slightest inconvenience. It's getting really boring coming onto the forum on a daily basis and seeing that the latest updates are from you, complaining.

You just have to get over it. I hate the new timetables – wow. You've just got to accept that it's life and move on because you can't have everything your way. In the grand scheme of things, the fact that OmniDekkas are seen on the X21, that its NSA are not working, or that you don't think it's an express route, isn't going to kill you. Think outside the box; let Dan and the rest of the team get on with the fantastic job they do every day instead of intending to put more pressure on them because you're not satisfied.

Just an observation that you're obsessiveness with putting the company down is really quite irritating now.

If you want to come back at me with hate, feel free. But I'm just stating the obvious. I'm sure you're a great guy, but the criticism is way over the top now.

(01 Feb 2020, 2:19 am)BeachBoy99 wrote StreetDeckFan,

I really don't want to be rude, but could you perhaps zip it?

Literally, all you do is whinge about the slightest inconvenience. It's getting really boring coming onto the forum on a daily basis and seeing that the latest updates are from you, complaining.

You just have to get over it. I hate the new timetables – wow. You've just got to accept that it's life and move on because you can't have everything your way. In the grand scheme of things, the fact that OmniDekkas are seen on the X21, that its NSA are not working, or that you don't think it's an express route, isn't going to kill you. Think outside the box; let Dan and the rest of the team get on with the fantastic job they do every day instead of intending to put more pressure on them because you're not satisfied.

Just an observation that you're obsessiveness with putting the company down is really quite irritating now.

If you want to come back at me with hate, feel free. But I'm just stating the obvious. I'm sure you're a great guy, but the criticism is way over the top now.

I agree with this. GNE have a business to run and they're clearly in a transformational stage, so things aren't going to be perfect for a while yet - but it's an improvement on what we all used to have.

(31 Jan 2020, 10:43 pm)Acky81 wrote I used to view this forum daily but I can’t be the only person who is fed up reading about the 21 and x21 posts. There’s other routes to talk about!!! I know these are popular routes but it’s getting boring now

As both of those services have recently changed then that's why people have been talking about them for the past week or so. After the changes bed in it will probably die down, and the next time GNE change another service, people will probably talk about that when it happens. Is the point of this thread not to react to current events regarding GNE?

(31 Jan 2020, 10:43 pm)Acky81 wrote I used to view this forum daily but I can’t be the only person who is fed up reading about the 21 and x21 posts.  There’s other routes to talk about!!! I know these are popular routes but it’s getting boring now

Like those ones that go through Doxford Park and you often talk about?

The 21 and X21 aren't really my bag either, but if they're the current focus of discussion, then so be it. I don't see what the problem is. 

If you want to talk about other services, bring them in to the debate and talk about them.

I often brought up the 71 in the past and the poor level of service in a certain area. 
People might have got sick of it, but nobody offered an alternative. 

I don't think the current 71 deserves the time of day to even bring it up. 
A pointless waste of resource and money imo and would be far better going back to its previous incarnation as the 21A or at the very least, the 36.
People seemed to use it then.

(01 Feb 2020, 12:36 pm)Andreos1 wrote Like those ones that go through Doxford Park and you often talk about?

The 21 and X21 aren't really my bag either, but if they're the current focus of discussion, then so be it. I don't see what the problem is. 

If you want to talk about other services, bring them in to the debate and talk about them.

I often brought up the 71 in the past and the poor level of service in a certain area. 
People might have got sick of it, but nobody offered an alternative. 

I don't think the current 71 deserves the time of day to even bring it up. 
A pointless waste of resource and money imo and would be far better going back to its previous incarnation as the 21A or at the very least, the 36.
People seemed to use it then.

Or even the previous 71 that it was prior to the 36...or even go way back to when it was the 735 before the 21A and was quite busy when I used it on 735 so was a success of some sort back in the day.

(01 Feb 2020, 12:58 pm)ifm001 wrote Or even the previous 71 that it was prior to the 36...or even go way back to when it was the 735 before the 21A and was quite busy when I used it on 735 so was a success of some sort back in the day.

To be honest, I've never been a fan of the 71. Although at least it worked late when it first ran all the way through to/from Sunderland. 

I do take your point about the 735 though. Ditto the 231.
The days when you could actually get places, without the faff of a connection!

Fine, let's see how far we can get through February without bringing up the 21, X21, Timetables or NSA!

Or maybe, I'll just not bother coming back at all if I'm not welcome! That sounds like a better choice

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(01 Feb 2020, 10:32 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Fine, let's see how far we can get through February without bringing up the 21, X21, Timetables or NSA!

Or maybe, I'll just not bother coming back at all if I'm not welcome! That sounds like a better choice

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You are welcome here. All I'm saying is tone the criticism down because it's so repetitive.

(01 Feb 2020, 10:32 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Fine, let's see how far we can get through February without bringing up the 21, X21, Timetables or NSA!

Or maybe, I'll just not bother coming back at all if I'm not welcome! That sounds like a better choice 

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I remember when GNE staff took a similar stance on here on more than one occasion. 
A warning came out, telling members we had to be nice to them otherwise insider information would stop being shared. 

Those were the days.

(02 Feb 2020, 10:55 am)Andreos1 wrote I remember when GNE staff took a similar stance on here on more than one occasion. 
A warning came out, telling members we had to be nice to them otherwise insider information would stop being shared. 

Those were the days.

I was a member on a Darts forum. We were told in no uncertain terms to be nice to them when they were online.... of course this didn't happen and they took their ball and left!

Since the UK has now left the EU, will stage carriage services which operate over 50 Km now operate as one service instead of being split as EU rules will no longer apply?

For those that dont have twitter, MG posted high res design for Xlines X1. As not VIP on tapatalk cant upload the full hi res version. But here it is...

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(02 Feb 2020, 1:17 pm)grandad wrote Since the UK has now left the EU, will stage carriage services which operate over 50 Km now operate as one service instead of being split as EU rules will no longer apply?

Everything stays the same nothing will change until 1st of January 2021. New rules will be in placed, depends if the Uk adopts the EU rules of 50 Km and buses have to be euro5 euro6 etc... UK should not adopt these rules so buses can still be in service work for 20+ years as what it used to be like and build the buses like what there used to and not to last for 7 years or so to be scrapped


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How do the X30 interworkings work on a evening and what time are the last Xlines buses on the x30 roughly taken off.

Appears Riverside run some later journeys

(03 Feb 2020, 7:24 pm)Arcticrossy92 wrote How do the X30 interworkings work on a evening and what time are the last Xlines buses on the x30 roughly taken off.

Appears Riverside run some later journeys

X30 mostly runs off 6A, and I believe some runs off 12s.

(03 Feb 2020, 7:32 pm)pbjd wrote X30 mostly runs off 6A, and I believe some runs off 12s.

Yeah just got off a toon link x30! Thought I had went back in time.

Currently on 718 and it has NSA (a screen at least!)

With the apparent absence of streetdeckfan and there not being much conversation at all from anyone... 

Reading an article on the Sunderland Echo website, I saw this image.


Right, slap bang in the middle, is a green Streetlite on the 78 - blinded up for 'Park Lane'.
Buses haven't been able to go up Park Lane since it was pedestrianised in the late 90s. Cars can only go on a small stretch of it. 
Why on earth is the bus destination showing somewhere it physically can't get to? 
Park Lane Interchange/Bus Station isn't Park Lane.
They're two different (all be it close) places.
The 21 doesn't show Prudhoe Place, the 29 doesn't show High St West, the 93 doesn't show Sunderland Road and the 71 doesn't show Newbottle St...

(04 Feb 2020, 10:50 pm)Andreos1 wrote With the apparent absence of streetdeckfan and there not being much conversation at all from anyone... 

Reading an article on the Sunderland Echo website, I saw this image.


Right, slap bang in the middle, is a green Streetlite on the 78 - blinded up for 'Park Lane'.
Buses haven't been able to go up Park Lane since it was pedestrianised in the late 90s. Cars can only go on a small stretch of it. 
Why on earth is the bus destination showing somewhere it physically can't get to? 
Park Lane Interchange/Bus Station isn't Park Lane.
They're two different (all be it close) places.
The 21 doesn't show Prudhoe Place, the 29 doesn't show High St West, the 93 doesn't show Sunderland Road and the 71 doesn't show Newbottle St...

But that reckoning shouldn't they say eldon square bus station since the buses dont go into the shopping centre? Should they say Washington galleries bus station as they dont go into the galleries. Should the Q1 say Neville street since it doesn't go into the station?

Everyone knows the terminus as Park Lane, Eldon Square, Central Station so I dont see problem with them not displaying that the terminus is an interchange or bus station.

The 71 also does a loop of Houghton, not just stopping on Newbottle street. The 93/94 do not stop on Sunderland Road, therefore why mention it?


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I think Andreos was being sarcastic. Took me a few moments to realise as it's more difficult to tell via the written (typed) word.

(04 Feb 2020, 10:50 pm)Andreos1 wrote With the apparent absence of streetdeckfan and there not being much conversation at all from anyone... 

Reading an article on the Sunderland Echo website, I saw this image.


Right, slap bang in the middle, is a green Streetlite on the 78 - blinded up for 'Park Lane'.
Buses haven't been able to go up Park Lane since it was pedestrianised in the late 90s. Cars can only go on a small stretch of it. 
Why on earth is the bus destination showing somewhere it physically can't get to? 
Park Lane Interchange/Bus Station isn't Park Lane.
They're two different (all be it close) places.
The 21 doesn't show Prudhoe Place, the 29 doesn't show High St West, the 93 doesn't show Sunderland Road and the 71 doesn't show Newbottle St...

Are you missing me?  

I mean, I'm still here, but since I can't mention any of my 'go to' topics, there ain't really much to say!

I haven't even been at home recently to be able to travel on the unmentionable bus (I've been at my my grandparent's building a new kitchen, if anyone was interested). But I have seen that the 49s certainly do look a lot smarter with the vinyls removed, but perhaps a little too bare for my liking. Plus, I don't know if it's just my imagination, and I can't be bothered to look it up, but the 'swoop' seems to be quite a bit further forward than on the 2016 corporate livery and it looks quite awkward. Plus, the vinyls don't look like they've been removed very carefully, with patches of adhesive left all over, and on one what seems like a patch of paint missing.
I know they're not that old, and the paint is in fairly good condition, but they could do with a repaint in to the new corporate just to spruce them up a bit.

(04 Feb 2020, 11:51 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Are you missing me?  

I mean, I'm still here, but since I can't mention any of my 'go to' topics, there ain't really much to say!

I haven't even been at home recently to be able to travel on the unmentionable bus (I've been at my my grandparent's building a new kitchen, if anyone was interested). But I have seen that the 49s certainly do look a lot smarter with the vinyls removed, but perhaps a little too bare for my liking. Plus, I don't know if it's just my imagination, and I can't be bothered to look it up, but the 'swoop' seems to be quite a bit further forward than on the 2016 corporate livery and it looks quite awkward. Plus, the vinyls don't look like they've been removed very carefully, with patches of adhesive left all over, and on one what seems like a patch of paint missing.
I know they're not that old, and the paint is in fairly good condition, but they could do with a repaint in to the new corporate just to spruce them up a bit.

I have been wondering about the swoop on the 49 lites, just had a look on Flickr and they seem to be in the same place as the corporate liveried examples... 5401 & 5439 however, the swoop is ever so slightly further towards the rear likely as they were repainted after being delivered in all over red corporate.

I have noticed some of those 49 Lites are not looking the best, think one has it's swoop coming away (may be confusing it for something else). Can't see them being repainted until at least all the other more pressing repaints like Blaydon Racer Citaros get done.

(05 Feb 2020, 12:07 am)Jimmi wrote I have been wondering about the swoop on the 49 lites, just had a look on Flickr and they seem to be in the same place as the corporate liveried examples... 5401 however, the swoop is ever so slightly further towards the rear.

I have noticed some of those 49 Lites are not looking the best, think one has it's swoop coming away (may be confusing it for something else). Can't see them being repainted until at least all the other more pressing repaints like Blaydon Racer Citaros get done.

I don't know if it's just because I'm used to seeing 'The 49' there and now it's gone the blue space just seems so much larger (I'm guessing that's probably what it is)
They aren't in 'bad shape' by any means, so I'd guess if they were going to repaint (which MG has said is not planned), they'd just be done as and when they need it. 

I know The 49 was a pathetic excuse for a brand, but it was actually pretty nice to be able to see from quite a distance that it was indeed a 49!

Also, I know I said I wouldn't bring up NSAs and some think I'm a bit negative, but honestly I'm past caring about what other people think, so what I've noticed recently that really irritates me is services being referred to as 'your x service' rather than 'the x service'. It's a small thing, but I just don't like it.
Is it supposed to make it feel more personal?

(05 Feb 2020, 12:21 am)streetdeckfan wrote I don't know if it's just because I'm used to seeing 'The 49' there and now it's gone the blue space just seems so much larger (I'm guessing that's probably what it is)
They aren't in 'bad shape' by any means, so I'd guess if they were going to repaint (which MG has said is not planned), they'd just be done as and when they need it. 

I know The 49 was a pathetic excuse for a brand, but it was actually pretty nice to be able to see from quite a distance that it was indeed a 49!

Also, I know I said I wouldn't bring up NSAs and some think I'm a bit negative, but honestly I'm past caring about what other people think, so what I've noticed recently that really irritates me is services being referred to as 'your x service' rather than 'the x service'. It's a small thing, but I just don't like it.
Is it supposed to make it feel more personal?

You are really negative! Your absence was a breath of fresh air, sadly too short lived! No idea why your hobby is to pick fault with almost everything. Who cares what the NSAs say as long as they say the correct stops?! NSAs are very useful whether they say 'the' or 'your'. The fact you don't like it doesn't surprise me in the slightest as you don't like much!

(05 Feb 2020, 12:21 am)streetdeckfan wrote I don't know if it's just because I'm used to seeing 'The 49' there and now it's gone the blue space just seems so much larger (I'm guessing that's probably what it is)
They aren't in 'bad shape' by any means, so I'd guess if they were going to repaint (which MG has said is not planned), they'd just be done as and when they need it. 

I know The 49 was a pathetic excuse for a brand, but it was actually pretty nice to be able to see from quite a distance that it was indeed a 49!

Also, I know I said I wouldn't bring up NSAs and some think I'm a bit negative, but honestly I'm past caring about what other people think, so what I've noticed recently that really irritates me is services being referred to as 'your x service' rather than 'the x service'. It's a small thing, but I just don't like it.
Is it supposed to make it feel more personal?

The 49 wasn't a "pathetic excuse" for a brand, actually. It did its job in outlining the route with its branding on the cant rail. I actually quite liked the big 'badge' saying "The 49", and the same goes for "The 9".

Regarding the NSAs: when have they ever said 'your' rather than 'the'? That's news to me...

(05 Feb 2020, 1:05 am)BeachBoy99 wrote The 49 wasn't a "pathetic excuse" for a brand, actually. It did its job in outlining the route with its branding on the cant rail. I actually quite liked the big 'badge' saying "The 49", and the same goes for "The 9".

Regarding the NSAs: when have they ever said 'your' rather than 'the'? That's news to me...

If you read a bit further on, you would have seen that I actually like The 49! I meant pathetic excuse more as a lack of 'effort' in the branding ie. just sticking a big 49 on the side and calling it a day!
With The 9 they at least put a bit of effort in with the people on the side

With the updated NSA on the X21, at Bishop it says "Welcome on board YOUR X-Lines X21 service to Newcastle", but then at Durham it says "Welcome to passengers joining us at Durham, this is THE X-Lines X21 service to Newcastle". I feel like they should stick to one or the other.

(05 Feb 2020, 1:14 am)streetdeckfan wrote If you read a bit further on, you would have seen that I actually like The 49! I meant pathetic excuse more as a lack of 'effort' in the branding ie. just sticking a big 49 on the side and calling it a day!
With The 9 they at least put a bit of effort in with the people on the side

With the updated NSA on the X21, at Bishop it says "Welcome on board YOUR X-Lines X21 service to Newcastle", but then at Durham it says "Welcome to passengers joining us at Durham, this is THE X-Lines X21 service to Newcastle". I feel like they should stick to one or the other.

I have to agree, the 9 and 49 do seem pointless brands. Same as "The Nines" on the purple L94s. I think the destination displays were more helpful than the branding itself.

(05 Feb 2020, 12:32 am)OrangeArrow49 wrote You are really negative! Your absence was a breath of fresh air, sadly too short lived! No idea why your hobby is to pick fault with almost everything. Who cares what the NSAs say as long as they say the correct stops?! NSAs are very useful whether they say 'the' or 'your'. The fact you don't like it doesn't surprise me in the slightest as you don't like much!

Personally I feel as balance you need to have a bit of negativity as not everything can be good, I am forever picking up faults with companies even some of the more respected ones which has put me in the firing line when I've done so even though my criticism has been well justified, criticised an independent for having a service that would regularly be running late only for someone to say you could set your watch by them.

I personally hate some of the over praising going round in the hobby atm, especially with Transdev, they do some good things that deserve praise but then there's stuff that does not warrant a pass which again does not go down too well. I cringe at some posts over praising things to the point of arse kissing.

In my mind everything should be open to fair praise/criticism, some of the service suggestion posts I've seen on here would never work in a million ways and I have tried to fairly put my points across as to why I think that is and on some occasions I've felt my criticisms have not been taken well by the poster as a similar post pops up again about a month later.

If you think Streetdeckfan's level of moaning is bad, you should be glad you weren't on here between around 2014-2016 when I pretty much flooded the annoying threads with pretty much every little thing that wound me up. For the record whilst I am still easily irritated, I now handle things a lot better so I hope some can now look past that stage although poor quality public transport lately is really testing me at the moment.

Jimmi wroteIf you think Streetdeckfan's level of moaning is bad, you should be glad you weren't on here between around 2014-2016 when I pretty much flooded the annoying threads with pretty much every little thing that wound me up. For the record whilst I am still easily irritated, I now handle things a lot better so I hope some can now look past that stage although poor quality public transport lately is really testing me at the moment.

I recall that as being a period when the Forum was littered with some people talking utter drivel, so it was always a relief to see a post from you and know that it would be well thought out and factual!