(19 Apr 2020, 2:18 pm)scanialover wrote The question has to be asked as to why 40 people were assembled at the Central Library stops? They aren't all key workers and surely such a crowd contravenes both gathering and social distancing guidelines; I don't get just why people have this herd mentality thing and then why they need to spend hours standing outside supermarkets. Hasn't anyone worked this out yet and adapted? As for services in Hartlepool, OK I'm not up to date with just what's happening but a cursory look at the emergency timetables tells me that the area is well covered and if it isn't then walking is good for us.

How do you propose people get their shopping then without queuing outside supermarkets? Personally I'd like an hour set aside for people who don't want to queue and just want to take the risk and get in and get out.

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(19 Apr 2020, 3:56 pm)James101 wrote The shared portion on the 6/36 usually has 10 buses per hour. This has been reduced to 1 x 36 per hour. If loadings have dropped to 10% of normal then it stands to reason that this remaining 36 on the COVID timetable will be carrying the same amount of passengers as a regular 36, i.e some journeys being too full to accommodate social distancing.

The current PVR could be reworked to make use of the long layover on service 3 to solve the problem.

Service 3: South Fens (00:00) > Clavering (00:44)
Service 6: Clavering (00:50) > St Patrick's via Fens Shops (01:31)
Service 6: St Patricks (01:32) > Clavering (02:02)
Service 3: Clavering (02:10) > South Fens (02:57)

The pattern could be timed to provide an even headway with 36 along Catcote Road. Requires a PVR of 3, the two existing buses form 3 three plus a third from the current 6/7 diagram.

Service 7 becomes standalone with a PVR of 2.

Good idea

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(19 Apr 2020, 3:56 pm)James101 wrote The shared portion on the 6/36 usually has 10 buses per hour. This has been reduced to 1 x 36 per hour. If loadings have dropped to 10% of normal then it stands to reason that this remaining 36 on the COVID timetable will be carrying the same amount of passengers as a regular 36, i.e some journeys being too full to accommodate social distancing.

The current PVR could be reworked to make use of the long layover on service 3 to solve the problem.

Service 3: South Fens (00:00) > Clavering (00:44)
Service 6: Clavering (00:50) > St Patrick's via Fens Shops (01:31)
Service 6: St Patricks (01:32) > Clavering (02:02)
Service 3: Clavering (02:10) > South Fens (02:57)

The pattern could be timed to provide an even headway with 36 along Catcote Road. Requires a PVR of 3, the two existing buses form 3 three plus a third from the current 6/7 diagram.

Service 7 becomes standalone with a PVR of 2.

Good idea

(20 Apr 2020, 10:01 am)Cock Robin wrote How do you propose people get their shopping then without queuing outside supermarkets? Personally I'd like an hour set aside for people who don't want to queue and just want to take the risk and get in and get out.

I realise this is off topic but this is the daftest thing I've ever read on here!

It's not the risk to the individual - it's the risk the individual poses to everyone else by spreading the disease.

Where did that come from and just how would it work? People would quickly work that one out. We are queuing to keep people safe .

And the sun is out so is everyone else! Just travelled back from Stockton (work) on a SNE 36 and there wasn't a hope of any social distancing. Them that think of hiking across with their shopping trollies to Teeside Park want to think again! Essential journies only !;

And finally praise to Arriva for trying the cashless idea. Just a shame it ain't going to work!

(20 Apr 2020, 12:26 pm)scanialover wrote Where did that come from and just how would it work? People would quickly work that one out. We are queuing to keep people safe .

And the sun is out so is everyone else! Just travelled back from Stockton (work) on a SNE 36 and there wasn't a hope of any social distancing. Them that think of hiking across with their shopping trollies to Teeside Park want to think again! Essential journies only !;

And finally praise to Arriva for trying the cashless idea. Just a shame it ain't going to work!

How bad was it.  The 36 is probably one of the busiest services stagecoach have even on a Sunday it gets full so reducing it to every hour was just Stupid. I know people meant to be staying in but clearly people are still needing the bus so stagecoach need to think again here.  Double Decker will just encourage more people to use it so maybe a proper half hourly Sunday Service between 10:00 and 5:00 then hourly after that taking the 38 off instead with the 35 going back to its original route until things can get back to normal might be the solution.

My mistake here. Was under the impression that SNE service 36 was operating half hourly. A fact that as this is what I would describe as a key route it does require some sort of intervention; a change to 2 buses an hour, peak times, should solve things. I think I've read that SNE Stockton have mothballed the few deckers that they have which could also have been a solution.

Are the services 3 & 4 still running in Shields or have they stopped because of the services 1 & 2 instead!

(20 Apr 2020, 6:28 pm)Robin57 wrote Are the services 3 & 4 still running in Shields or have they stopped because of the services 1 & 2 instead!

As said before, they've been merged with the 1 and 2 services....


South Shields:

Service 1, 2 - These routes will operate in place of Services 3, 4, 7, 8. Routes 1 and 2 will link Town Centre, Horsley Hill, Marsden Inn, Harton Nook, Holder House, Biddick Hall, Stanhope Road, Town Centre every 30 minutes.
Service 3, 4 – Service temporarily suspended. Please see routes 1 and 2 for alternative facilities.
Service 7, 8 – Service temporarily suspended. Please see routes 1 and 2 for alternative facilities.

I dont think more people would travel just because they put a double decker on. Except maybe the odd bus enthusiast!
As to my comments on shops. If only people who were happy to take the risk were allowed in during that hour nobody else would be affected. The till operators would still be the same distance from the punters.

Cheers for info!

(20 Apr 2020, 6:46 pm)Cock Robin wrote I dont think more people would travel just because they put a double decker on. Except maybe the odd bus enthusiast!
As to my comments on shops. If only people who were happy to take the risk were allowed in during that hour nobody else would be affected. The till operators would still be the same distance from the punters.

What hour are you talking about?, nobody should be taking risks, do you not listen to the news with the coronavirus, people should only be going shopping for emergency only if need to. Are do you think taking risks yourself think your immune to the virus, maybe you think again with either yourself or a love one you know have this virus because you took a risk being out, a lot of the public thinks this is a joke, maybe it won’t be a joke when the government stop all this being out to do some exercise, and bus enthusiasts going out taking photos of buses and saying it’s my daily exercise bike ride or walking. [emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji2357]


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(20 Apr 2020, 7:45 pm)cbma06 wrote What hour are you talking about?, nobody should be taking risks, do you not listen to the news with the coronavirus, people should only be going shopping for emergency only if need to. Are do you think taking risks yourself think your immune to the virus, maybe you think again with either yourself or a love one you know have this virus because you took a risk being out, a lot of the public thinks this is a joke, maybe it won’t be a joke when the government stop all this being out to do some exercise, and bus enthusiasts going out taking photos of buses and saying it’s my daily exercise bike ride or walking. [emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji2357]


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Totally agree.  Credit to the supermarkets for enforcing social distancing by restricting access to stop the idiots who are happy to cause an extension to the lockdown, spread illness and - oh yes  - death, by continuing to spread the virus by 'risking it'.

I agree with that statement!

(20 Apr 2020, 10:01 am)Cock Robin wrote How do you propose people get their shopping then without queuing outside supermarkets? Personally I'd like an hour set aside for people who don't want to queue and just want to take the risk and get in and get out.

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Good idea

People "taking the risk" are also making the risk for the people working in the shops they want to visit.

We'll have to agree to differ. If someone wants go take the risk and go hang gliding or motor racing they are allowed to. We don't need a nanny state.
I'm surprised some people dare leave the house under normal circumstances in case they are knocked down by a bus. The probability is about the same as a healthy young person catching and dying from the virus.
And all the sheep accepting the doctored figures that count anybody who dies and happens to have tested positive for the virus as a corona death regardless of what the actual cause of death is.

I do agree with what you have said about people wanting to leave there homes no reason!

(21 Apr 2020, 11:07 pm)Cock Robin wrote We'll have to agree to differ. If someone wants go take the risk and go hang gliding or motor racing they are allowed to. We don't need a nanny state.
I'm surprised some people dare leave the house under normal circumstances in case they are knocked down by a  bus. The probability is about the same as a healthy young person catching and dying from the virus.
And all the sheep accepting the doctored figures that count anybody who dies and happens to have tested positive for the virus as a corona death regardless of what the actual cause of death is.

What a ridiculous argument - the figures aren't doctored.  Are you seriously suggesting that the fact that deaths in this country (let alone the world) are at their highest they have been in decades, at precisely the same time as there is a global pandemic of a new virus to which the population has no immunity, is somehow coincidence or consipiracy? 

I realise we are way off the topic of SNE here but the sentiment of your post is utterly irresponsible.  The whole point of social distancing is to protect others and the population as a whole.  The chances of death increase massively when health systems get overwhelmed...which is precisely what happens when people decide they are invincible and know better than the international experts in the WHO and elsewhere, and instead selfishly just want to crack on, risking spreading the virus.

Fine thanks for nothing!

I'm with Stagecoachbusdepot on this one. This kind of attitude is just the sort that blights this country. Here we in the midst of one of the worst pandemics in history, 90% of the people are pulling behind the cause and going through unfortold hardship; thousands are dying and more thousands grieving. Yet 10% seem to think they are above all this, are exempt from the law and in a nutshell, don't give a toss about anyone else. They make my blood boil and OK not the scope of our forum but had to speak.

(22 Apr 2020, 3:37 am)Robin57 wrote Fine thanks for nothing!

wtf are you on about?

He wasn't even targeting his post towards you, he was replying to someone else.

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(21 Apr 2020, 11:07 pm)Cock Robin wrote We'll have to agree to differ. If someone wants go take the risk and go hang gliding or motor racing they are allowed to. We don't need a nanny state.
I'm surprised some people dare leave the house under normal circumstances in case they are knocked down by a  bus. The probability is about the same as a healthy young person catching and dying from the virus.
And all the sheep accepting the doctored figures that count anybody who dies and happens to have tested positive for the virus as a corona death regardless of what the actual cause of death is.

While i agree, we can't nanny people, people need to be taking it serious, for others and themselves... actually the numbers don't count everyone, because they don't count deaths outside of hospitals... we could be looking at a extra 5k-7k people on the actual current total... this should be added but i think the Government are not telling us the full story.



My furlough is getting extended again, so by the time i go back, i'll of been off work for 7 weeks, if not extended again, i also had a week off before my furlough started (hence the 7 weeks)! - and now i'm only gonna get 53% pay because i work in childcare.......... long story short.... they decided on Friday night to change it so it works out how much funding you get for the kids and that's how much you get.... so i want to get back to work soon as.

(21 Apr 2020, 11:07 pm)Cock Robin wrote We'll have to agree to differ. If someone wants go take the risk and go hang gliding or motor racing they are allowed to. We don't need a nanny state.
I'm surprised some people dare leave the house under normal circumstances in case they are knocked down by a  bus. The probability is about the same as a healthy young person catching and dying from the virus.
And all the sheep accepting the doctored figures that count anybody who dies and happens to have tested positive for the virus as a corona death regardless of what the actual cause of death is.

You do realise the lockdown isn't there because of people dying specifically of the virus itself, it's more about having too many people in hospitals at the same time. Just because young people aren't dying from the virus directly, they're still taking up beds in hospitals and if you had too many selfish inconsiderate people like you then you'd get to a point where it'll be the case of rejecting people from hospitals. Sadly, those people will be older people who no doubt we're observing the rules as best as they could but now have to die because someone decided they needed to go handgliding or go riding around buses because there's a Streetdeck on the 1.


Not to mention your just dragging this out for longer so thank you from everyone who actually wants to follow the rules and get this over with quicker.

If I had my own way, there'd be a database of people who don't want to abide by rules and if you end up needing a hospital bed and there isn't any then you should be last priority.

(22 Apr 2020, 12:58 pm)Robin57 wrote How are service changes in South Shields & Sunderland Progressing!

What changes?

Absolutely agree with you Stork. Sadly, in my experience those that you might include on your database are the very people who will go running and crying when things go wrong, while us good guys, struggling, doing our best to cope will get nothing.

Delete the message I sent on 22nd because I did not like the answer I got back!

Might be good to remind people of 2 things here? One.The aim of this forum is to talk about the bus industry and not a platform to air our personal grievances. Two. We aren't here to talk about the current situation in relation to. Covid-19 and I just add the final word - respect. Think about it.
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(24 Apr 2020, 8:08 am)scanialover wrote Might be good to remind people of 2 things here? One.The aim of this forum is to talk about the bus industry and not a platform to air our personal grievances. Two. We aren't here to talk about the current situation in relation to. Covid-19 and I just add the final word - respect. Think about it.
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Well said.   I think it will be a good while before any of the company's get back to operation normal services. Even if restrictions are lifted they will still social distancing to contend with.

I agree with that!

What buses are being used on The E’s!

Mainly gas buses from what I've seen when cycling

(26 Apr 2020, 2:33 pm)idiot wrote Mainly gas buses from what I've seen when cycling

All but the 10/11 are gas buses today, according to Bustimes.org

Ahh I've just blasted along to Marsden and looped Lizard lane four times.