(14 Oct 2021, 10:13 am)Train8261 wrote I did. He said they only took them on during the pandemic

He's wrong, either deliberately , which would suggest some edict to force customers to pay again, or the company needs to sort its act out re ticket training.

(14 Oct 2021, 3:51 pm)54APhotography wrote He's wrong, either deliberately , which would suggest some edict to force customers to pay again, or the company needs to sort its act out re ticket training.

True. Also on the subject. Isn't the 333 meant to be free due it being a shuttle service for the ferry

(14 Oct 2021, 3:55 pm)Train8261 wrote True. Also on the subject. Isn't the 333 meant to be free due it being a shuttle service for the ferry

Well yeah, if you got the Ferry your ticket would be valid on the 333 after.

(14 Oct 2021, 8:34 am)Dan wrote They are valid, so should be being accepted.


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No mention of Central Taxis of Gateshead or Nexus Bus, on explorer website/Network One.  They cannot be sold on GCT buses, and there is no Explorer pass button on machine to accept them.  Ticket Machines are setup by Nexus.  Day Rover/Junior Rovers can be sold on GCT.

When GNE had the 23 & W2, GNE tickets wern't valid, and is said so on Timetable pages at the time

On a similar note, Are N Tyne tickets valid To Cramlington on 42 or to Dinnington/Airport/Kingston Park on 42A.  GNE app map is poor, but it looks like A19/A1 is the boundary (Except for Q3 to Great Park).  Customer services also say that N TYNE tickets aren't valid beyond A1/A19, but drivers sell them as returns to Kingston Park

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(14 Oct 2021, 5:08 pm)deanmachine wrote Well yeah, if you got the Ferry your ticket would be valid on the 333 after.

Any ticket that is valid on Ferry is also valid on 333

(14 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm)minibus1474 wrote No mention of Central Taxis of Gateshead or Nexus Bus, on explorer website/Network One.  They cannot be sold on GCT buses, and there is no Explorer pass button on machine to accept them.  Ticket Machines are setup by Nexus.  Day Rover/Junior Rovers can be sold on GCT.

It is the responsibility of the bus operator to set up ticket machines, not Nexus.

Gateshead Central Taxis should be selling and accepting this ticket range. It is ridiculous to even suggest that Day Rovers are accepted but a related ticket (Explorer) under the same body is not.

This is a mistake of the company, and clearly drivers are being misinformed.

Clearly this will also affect evening journeys on Go North East’s daytime services, where this ticket range is definitely accepted. Perhaps further investigation with Nexus is required, if it is reported to them.


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(14 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm)minibus1474 wrote When GNE had the 23 & W2, GNE tickets wern't valid, and is said so on Timetable pages at the time

This is a completely different situation.

The Explorer ticket isn’t a Go North East ticket, so was valid on the 23 and W2 when they operated these services, even if their own commercial products were not.


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(14 Oct 2021, 9:59 pm)Dan wrote This is a completely different situation.

The Explorer ticket isn’t a Go North East ticket, so was valid on the 23 and W2 when they operated these services, even if their own commercial products were not.


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On a slightly related note, are GNE tickets still not accepted on the Cathedral bus, a year or two back I tried to use it and was told I couldn't use my ticket, despite that not being mentioned anywhere on the GNE website.

(14 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm)minibus1474 wrote Any ticket that is valid on Ferry is also valid on 333

Like an Explorer...

(14 Oct 2021, 11:28 pm)streetdeckfan wrote On a slightly related note, are GNE tickets still not accepted on the Cathedral bus, a year or two back I tried to use it and was told I couldn't use my ticket, despite that not being mentioned anywhere on the GNE website.

No, Durham County Council don’t permit the use of the operators own tickets on the Cathedral Bus.


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(14 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm)minibus1474 wrote No mention of Central Taxis of Gateshead or Nexus Bus, on explorer website/Network One.  They cannot be sold on GCT buses, and there is no Explorer pass button on machine to accept them.  Ticket Machines are setup by Nexus.  Day Rover/Junior Rovers can be sold on GCT.

When GNE had the 23 & W2, GNE tickets wern't valid, and is said so on Timetable pages at the time

On a similar note, Are N Tyne tickets valid To Cramlington on 42 or to Dinnington/Airport/Kingston Park on 42A.  GNE app map is poor, but it looks like A19/A1 is the boundary (Except for Q3 to Great Park).  Customer services also say that N TYNE tickets aren't valid beyond A1/A19, but drivers sell them as returns to Kingston Park

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Any ticket that is valid on Ferry is also valid on 333

The map has just been extended and now can use up to cramlington and Ashington

SNS and MS are withdrawn after today. A board at Sunderland Interchange at stand R says that the MS & SNS will not run after the 16th of October

Not surprised tbh - carrying fresh air when they've passed me.

Had a trip on the 335 today,and i have to say,really handy and i like it alot,however,the bus was empty,can't help but think it wont last,and will more than like be reverted to its old Route

So GCT are meant to have Ferry Replacement till 1pm today. Not a single bus is tracking and a driver at North Shields has asked why one hasn't turned up

Update. There using the little taxi buses that are used in Gateshead on the TB routes with there only being 1

Apparently there is a decker on but no sing of it

Does anyone know if the GCT operated Tesco Free Buses in Kingston Park still operate?

Thank you.

(10 Dec 2021, 12:52 am)OrangeArrow49 wrote Does anyone know if the GCT operated Tesco Free Buses in Kingston Park still operate?

Thank you.

No they don't

(11 Dec 2021, 9:18 am)ifm001 wrote No they don't

Since when? They are still on the Nexus website and bustimes.org, as well on the bus stop timetables. Nothing has replaced them. I though GCT just weren't bothering to run them.

At least there is the M71 for Westerhope, but nowhere else.

(11 Dec 2021, 11:15 am)OrangeArrow49 wrote Since when? They are still on the Nexus website and bustimes.org, as well on the bus stop timetables. Nothing has replaced them. I though GCT just weren't bothering to run them.

At least there is the M71 for Westerhope, but nowhere else.

I'm almost certain that Tesco cancelled all the free buses that operators around the country ran

(11 Dec 2021, 12:12 pm)busmanT wrote I'm almost certain that Tesco cancelled all the free buses that operators around the country ran

im sure i read this too but cant find anything on the web

Strange the Kingston Park Tesco buses are still on timetables etc and no information on them being withdrawn. The M71 is a good service for Westerhope residents to get to and from Tesco, and the 42A provides a service to and from Wideopen, Dinnington etc albeit hourly. Newbiggin Hall is covered by the M71 and Kenton has the X47 nearby. Does the M71 really need to stop in the car park?

Be good if Phoenix or A-line operated the X47 route as Stagecoach buses are old and unreliable.

(16 Dec 2021, 4:12 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Strange the Kingston Park Tesco buses are still on timetables etc and no information on them being withdrawn. The M71 is  a good service for Westerhope residents to get to and from Tesco, and the 42A provides a service to and from Wideopen, Dinnington etc albeit hourly. Newbiggin Hall is covered by the M71 and Kenton has the X47 nearby. Does the M71 really need to stop in the car park?

Be good if Phoenix or A-line operated the X47 route as Stagecoach buses are old and unreliable.

You keep talking about other operators running Stagecoach's commercial services - it doesn't work like that. Phoenix or A-line won't ever be operating the X47.

(16 Dec 2021, 10:44 pm)peter wrote You keep talking about other operators running Stagecoach's commercial services - it doesn't work like that. Phoenix or A-line won't ever be operating the X47.

I said the route of the X47, not run the X47. Phoenix run the M71 very well, and good reliable links are important. Unfair Westerhope has a good service to Kingston Park Shops, and nowhere else does. The lack of decent services is frustrating!

Customers deserve choice and value for money.

(16 Dec 2021, 11:14 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote I said the route of the X47, not run the X47. Phoenix run the M71 very well, and good reliable links are important. Unfair Westerhope has a good service to Kingston Park Shops, and nowhere else does. The lack of decent services is frustrating!

Customers deserve choice and value for money.

That's equally preposterous...the M71 is a Nexus funded service - Phoenix operate a handful of fiat bluebird's on contracted routes, they'd never start operating the route of the X47 commercially - they couldn't compete.

(16 Dec 2021, 11:14 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote I said the route of the X47, not run the X47. Phoenix run the M71 very well, and good reliable links are important. Unfair Westerhope has a good service to Kingston Park Shops, and nowhere else does. The lack of decent services is frustrating!

Customers deserve choice and value for money.

Doesn’t the Metro serve Kingston Park shops as well as the X47? I would call that a pretty good service.

(16 Dec 2021, 11:14 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote I said the route of the X47, not run the X47. Phoenix run the M71 very well, and good reliable links are important. Unfair Westerhope has a good service to Kingston Park Shops, and nowhere else does. The lack of decent services is frustrating!

Customers deserve choice and value for money.

I don't particularly know much about the villages around the retail park, but geographically, I'd question why people further afield would need to go to that specific retail park? 

Where do you envisage people travelling from and for what shops in particular?

(17 Dec 2021, 10:13 am)Adrian wrote I don't particularly know much about the villages around the retail park, but geographically, I'd question why people further afield would need to go to that specific retail park? 

Where do you envisage people travelling from and for what shops in particular?

Apologies I didn't notice this reply. 

Not further afield necessarily, just odd that only Westerhope has a bus service to Kingston Park Shops and Tesco Car Park in particular. The free Tesco shuttle ran from Wideopen, Newbiggin Hall and Kenton to Kingston Park Tesco Extra. Kingston Park Shops is served by the Metro, which is great, but in terms of buses only really has the X47 (the 6 and M71 don't run on evenings and the M71 doesn't run on Sundays) . Just remembered about the 6, which links Kingston Park with places further away, such as Four Lane Ends. 42A also links Wallsend, Four Lane Ends, Killingworth and Wideopen etc with Kingston Park. Anyway, my point was only Westerhope has a reliable, non-Stagecoach bus service to Kingston Park, and into the car park in particular. Fenham, Cowgate, Slatyford, Blakelaw and Kenton Bar should all have a decent service for Kingston Park, why should Westerhope and nowhere else locally have a service? GNE's 42A provides the link further afield. Maybe Gosforth and Great Park could have a new service to Kingston Park.

(27 Dec 2021, 2:48 am)OrangeArrow49 wrote Apologies I didn't notice this reply. 

Not further afield necessarily, just odd that only Westerhope has a bus service to Kingston Park Shops and Tesco Car Park in particular. The free Tesco shuttle ran from Wideopen, Newbiggin Hall and Kenton to Kingston Park Tesco Extra. Kingston Park Shops is served by the Metro, which is great, but in terms of buses only really has the X47 (the 6 and M71 don't run on evenings and the M71 doesn't run on Sundays) . Just remembered about the 6, which links Kingston Park with places further away, such as Four Lane Ends. 42A also links Wallsend, Four Lane Ends, Killingworth and Wideopen etc with Kingston Park. Anyway, my point was only Westerhope has a reliable, non-Stagecoach bus service to Kingston Park, and into the car park in particular. Fenham, Cowgate, Slatyford, Blakelaw and Kenton Bar should all have a decent service for Kingston Park, why should Westerhope and nowhere else locally have a service? GNE's 42A provides the link further afield. Maybe Gosforth and Great Park could have a new service to Kingston Park.

Would people in Fenham, Cowgate, Slatyford and Blakelaw not either head towards the big Morrisons (and the shopping centre) at Denton Park, or head into Newcastle itself if they wanted something that they can't get there? If they absolutely needed to go to Tesco, then there's a Tesco Metro and I think two Tesco locals in the town.

I don't really know Kenton Bar, but Google Maps shows it as half a mile walk from Tesco Extra. I've got about the same to a bus stop.

On the 42A, I don't think its a route designed with the intention of shoppers flocking from Wallsend to Kingston Park. You'd have to be insane to do a 3 hour round trip to a supermarket, especially when there's one a stone throw away next to the Silverlink.

(27 Dec 2021, 3:32 pm)Adrian wrote Would people in Fenham, Cowgate, Slatyford and Blakelaw not either head towards the big Morrisons (and the shopping centre) at Denton Park, or head into Newcastle itself if they wanted something that they can't get there? If they absolutely needed to go to Tesco, then there's a Tesco Metro and I think two Tesco locals in the town.

I don't really know Kenton Bar, but Google Maps shows it as half a mile walk from Tesco Extra. I've got about the same to a bus stop.

On the 42A, I don't think its a route designed with the intention of shoppers flocking from Wallsend to Kingston Park. You'd have to be insane to do a 3 hour round trip to a supermarket, especially when there's one a stone throw away next to the Silverlink.

I agree with your points, but my point is why just Westerhope has a bus link to Kingston Park (for Tesco and the Metro station) when surely people in Westerhope/Newbiggin Hall would also go to Denton Park Shopping Centre/Westerhope Asda or Aldi/X87 or X88 to Cowgate Aldi or Morrisons or link with X47 to Kingston Park/head into Newcastle itself? Does Westerhope/Newbiggin Hall need the Nexus contracted M71 service?

Personally I'd run the 71 to Kingston Park instead of Throckley and extend the 10/11 to serve Throckley and have a new service 13 Walker - City Centre - Fenham - West Denton - Newburn - Throckley.