(29 Jan 2022, 4:00 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I wouldn't say so, it's not as low as the rest of the E400s, so it'd be the obvious choice to go with the X10 if they wanted the same type as a spare

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But it can get under Dunston bridge, that's the key point. If anything going off the current PVRs out of Consett, 6338-40 & 6336-37 will provide more than enough suitable Euro 6 spares out of Consett as well as 6064 as a very last resort.

And as a spare, would you rather have 6337 which will be 8 year old this year or 6377 which is not even 2 year old?

(29 Jan 2022, 4:27 pm)L469 YVK wrote But it can get under Dunston bridge, that's the key point. If anything going off the current PVRs out of Consett, 6338-40 & 6336-37 will provide more than enough suitable Euro 6 spares out of Consett as well as 6064 as a very last resort.

And as a spare, would you rather have 6337 which will be 8 year old this year or 6377 which is not even 2 year old?

Tbh I'd be fine with either! They're both comfortable, the only downside with 6337 doesn't have 240v sockets, but neither do any of the E400s

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(29 Jan 2022, 9:36 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Tbh I'd be fine with either! They're both comfortable, the only downside with 6337 doesn't have 240v sockets, but neither do any of the E400s

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the seats on that bus are bloody awful, rock hard and slippy - interior is very dated for a relatively new bus, needs an internal refurb like 6336.  It’s always been a bit of a jinx bus reliability wise too, frequently expired near st James park for some reason.

Followed an X10 branded MMC from Dunston to Newcastle earlier this morning. Entering service?

(30 Jan 2022, 9:51 am)omnicity4659 wrote Followed an X10 branded MMC from Dunston to Newcastle earlier this morning. Entering service?

Yes, all four into service today in line with the service changes which see the X10 return to Eldon Square.


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(30 Jan 2022, 9:57 am)Dan wrote Yes, all four into service today in line with the service changes which see the X10 return to Eldon Square.


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So I presume that's the last we'll see of the Interdecks?

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(30 Jan 2022, 9:57 am)Dan wrote Yes, all four into service today in line with the service changes which see the X10 return to Eldon Square.


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I’m surprised that the X10 on Sundays doesn’t run every 2 hours, is there a demand on a Sunday for an hourly service?.


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(29 Jan 2022, 2:03 pm)Omega54 wrote Seems like the 10:10 from Newcastle came off the wrong turning on the A19 towards Dalton Park.

Well whilst I’m unsure if this was simple driver error or perhaps a conscious decision based on traffic, I wonder if that could be permanent route change to serve the top of Seaham. Considering the X10 is no longer as fast as it used to be, I wonder if it would create new connections/increase passengers - and would it increase journey times all that much? Obviously, limited stop serving - Seaton Crescent, New Seaham Mill Inn & Mount Pleasant.

(30 Jan 2022, 12:14 pm)Drifter60 wrote Well whilst I’m unsure if this was simple driver error or perhaps a conscious decision based on traffic, I wonder if that could be permanent route change to serve the top of Seaham. Considering the X10 is no longer as fast as it used to be, I wonder if it would create new connections/increase passengers - and would it increase journey times all that much? Obviously, limited stop serving - Seaton Crescent, New Seaham Mill Inn & Mount Pleasant.

I wonder if it’s 50/50 or efficient for service x10 to come off southbound at Seaham and serve couple of stops at mill in as you say as by the time the x10 gone south on a19 then turn off a19 then double back to get to Dalton park probably roughly the same amount of time

Traffic lights at Seaham crossroads might cause a problem during peak times with traffic tailbacks though

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(30 Jan 2022, 11:50 am)cbma06 wrote I’m surprised that the X10 on Sundays doesn’t run every 2 hours, is there a demand on a Sunday for an hourly service?.


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Good job it's not! https://twitter.com/gonortheast/status/1...YOVNSEE0Rw&s=19

Seriously though, not sure if it would work from a passenger perspective (particularly on a match day). It might look good from an ops perspective, but I can't see passengers taking to it too well. Might sway them towards the train or other means even more. Which is the last thing GNE need!

They've been relying too much on the product imo and the product hasn't provided the results they want or need.

(30 Jan 2022, 12:14 pm)Drifter60 wrote Well whilst I’m unsure if this was simple driver error or perhaps a conscious decision based on traffic, I wonder if that could be permanent route change to serve the top of Seaham. Considering the X10 is no longer as fast as it used to be, I wonder if it would create new connections/increase passengers - and would it increase journey times all that much? Obviously, limited stop serving - Seaton Crescent, New Seaham Mill Inn & Mount Pleasant.

Might as well take it down the train tracks, and through to seaham byron place. For it to add around a extra 10 mins would probs add passengers, or just Seaham Mill Inn, as that has all the connection of every bus service in Seaham. Bar the 62, but obviously you can make the connection at Dalton Park

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(30 Jan 2022, 1:01 pm)Andreos1 wrote Good job it's not! https://twitter.com/gonortheast/status/1...YOVNSEE0Rw&s=19

Seriously though, not sure if it would work from a passenger perspective (particularly on a match day). It might look good from an ops perspective, but I can't see passengers taking to it too well. Might sway them towards the train or other means even more. Which is the last thing GNE need!

They've been relying too much on the product imo and the product hasn't provided the results they want or need.

The first day break down in service, granted they haven't been in service for the best part of a month so, hopefully it is just a small issue. 

Not a good luck for what has be perceived to be 'new' buses

(30 Jan 2022, 1:19 pm)Omega54 wrote Might as well take it down the train tracks, and through to seaham byron place. For it to add around a extra 10 mins would probs add passengers, or just Seaham Mill Inn, as that has all the connection of every bus service in Seaham. Bar the 62, but obviously you can make the connection at Dalton Park

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The first day break down in service, granted they haven't been in service for the best part of a month so, hopefully it is just a small issue. 

Not a good luck for what has be perceived to be 'new' buses

That’s a good idea going down the train tracks, it would save using tyres , if the buses are less empty these days then if service diverted to pick up new potential passengers and new links, I’m sure it was mentioned before that the x10 is not in competition with the train as the train doesn’t stop along the x10 route and the service is not just for passengers traveling from Newcastle all the way to Middlesbrough


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(30 Jan 2022, 1:46 pm)cbma06 wrote That’s a good idea going down the train tracks, it would save using tyres , if the buses are less empty these days then if service diverted to pick up new potential passengers and new links, I’m sure it was mentioned before that the x10 is not in competition with the train as the train doesn’t stop along the x10 route and the service is not just for passengers traveling from Newcastle all the way to Middlesbrough


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The X10 is now totally unappealing. The end to end journey time is now only a few minutes short of the old X1 due to the various diverions! At least with Northern I might actually get a class 158!

(30 Jan 2022, 1:59 pm)DeltaMan wrote The X10 is now totally unappealing. The end to end journey time is now only a few minutes short of the old X1 due to the various diverions! At least with Northern I might actually get a class 158!

If I was ever going end to end on the bus, I'd always try to plump for the X9 due to it being quicker.

I think the diversion in to Dalton Park was a sensible one, but given the route it takes in and around Teesside, not sure the X10 is going to be the choice for many going the entire route.

6353 on the X10 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...ed-public/

I think takening the X10 down to seaham (cos why not) would add amazing links to make them busier, as it is a nightmare getting to Dalton Park from Seaham as you have like a 45 min wait from either the 62/X6 - Yes u have the 65 every 30 mins but you will have atleast a 15 mins wait

(30 Jan 2022, 1:59 pm)DeltaMan wrote The X10 is now totally unappealing. The end to end journey time is now only a few minutes short of the old X1 due to the various diverions! At least with Northern I might actually get a class 158!

(30 Jan 2022, 2:04 pm)Andreos1 wrote If I was ever going end to end, I'd always try to plump for the X9 due to it being quicker.

I think the diversion in to Dalton Park was a sensible one, but given the route it takes in and around Teesside, not sure the X10 is going to be the choice for many going the entire route.

Updated journey times for Northern and the X10...

X9
Newcastle to
Heworth: 18 minutes
Peterlee: 45 minutes
Billingham: 1hr 8 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 25 minutes

X10 (from 2022)
Newcastle to
Heworth: 19 minutes
Peterlee: 57 minutes
Billingham: 1hr 18 minutes
Stockton: 1hr 32 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 44 minutes

Northern Trains
Newcastle to
Heworth: 7 minutes
Horden: 37 minutes
Billingham: 60 minutes
Stockton: 1hr 7 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 19 minutes

Also some peak journeys to dalton park & peterlee could be nice with Green arrow buses. Or maybe make the X10 every 30 mins betweeen Newcastle and Peterlee via Seaham. See what it is like.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:14 pm)Omega54 wrote I think takening the X10 down to seaham (cos why not) would add amazing links to make them busier, as it is a nightmare getting to Dalton Park from Seaham as you have like a 45 min wait from either the 62/X6 - Yes u have the 65 every 30 mins but you will have atleast a 15 mins wait

I estimate a diversion via Byron Place will add at least 20 minutes to the route - pushing Newcastle-Middlesbrough to over 2 hours journey time, and Newcastle-Peterlee would take the same amount of time that the old X9 took to complete the full route...! 

(30 Jan 2022, 2:17 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Updated journey times for Northern and the X10...

X9
Newcastle to
Heworth: 18 minutes
Peterlee: 45 minutes
Billingham: 1hr 8 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 25 minutes

X10 (from 2022)
Newcastle to
Heworth: 19 minutes
Peterlee: 57 minutes
Billingham: 1hr 18 minutes
Stockton: 1hr 32 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 44 minutes

Northern Trains
Newcastle to
Heworth: 7 minutes
Horden: 37 minutes
Billingham: 60 minutes
Stockton: 1hr 7 minutes
Middlesbrough: 1hr 19 minutes

You quoted me before my edit.

But that really rams home how quick the train is vs the X10.
Depending on connections, going Newcastle - Boro via Darlo will also be quicker.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:25 pm)omnicity4659 wrote I estimate a diversion via Byron Place will add at least 20 minutes to the route - pushing Newcastle-Middlesbrough to over 2 hours journey time, and Newcastle-Peterlee would take the same amount of time that the old X9 took to complete the full route...! 

Yeah, maybe I don't think it will be 20 mins, maybe 15 however it is already 30mins slower than the train, which means if u just miss a train, and their is a X10 in 30 mins u might aswell wait for the next train. 

I think Seaham would probs get more passengers than Billingham - whenever I have been on the X10 more people got on a Dalton Park than Billingham or Stockton both ways.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:34 pm)Andreos1 wrote You quoted me before my edit.

But that really rams home how quick the train is vs the X10.
Depending on connections, going Newcastle - Boro via Darlo will also be quicker.

How often does the train actually run, ie packed out trains with no seats, trains cancelled etc…,passengers living closer where the x10 stops than the train station where passengers would have to get a bus service to get to train station, (you can get other gne bus services with the x10 ticket?).


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(30 Jan 2022, 2:46 pm)cbma06 wrote How often does the train actually run, ie packed out trains with no seats, trains cancelled etc…,passengers living closer where the x10 stops than the train station where passengers would have to get a bus service to get to train station, (you can get other gne bus services with the x10 ticket?).


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Every Hour through Horden & Heworth - Most trains coming from there are quite packed


Not sure about the Darlington way.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:34 pm)Andreos1 wrote You quoted me before my edit.

But that really rams home how quick the train is vs the X10.
Depending on connections, going Newcastle - Boro via Darlo will also be quicker.

10:10 X10 from Newcastle, arrives Middlesbrough at 11:54, 1hr 44mins
10:40 Northern from Newcastle via Sunderland, arrives Middlesbrough at 11:59, 1hr 19mins
10:45 TPE from Newcastle to Darlington (11:15), 11:23 Northern from Darlington, arrives Middlesbrough at 11:50, 1hr 5mins

Also if it were to come to seaham might make others chose the X10 over the train, for people who want to study at Newcastle or Middlesbrough it might not be faster but it can be cheaper, especially they have the price at 1:20.

Also if they advertise that Under 25 weekly/day tickets work on the X10, and they need to get the bus from the train station then..more passengers, as I didn't know they worked untill very recently and it always stopped me getting the X10

(30 Jan 2022, 2:46 pm)cbma06 wrote How often does the train actually run, ie packed out trains with no seats, trains cancelled etc…,passengers living closer where the x10 stops than the train station where passengers would have to get a bus service to get to train station, (you can get other gne bus services with the x10 ticket?).


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Direct trains every hour via the Durham coast. Trains run around every 30 minutes Darlington to Middlesbrough, with frequent trains running between Newcastle and Darlington.

Also, 7155 operated the last X9 - 18:45 to Newcastle via Billingham, Peterlee, Heworth & Gateshead.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:39 pm)Omega54 wrote Yeah, maybe I don't think it will be 20 mins, maybe 15 however it is already 30mins slower than the train, which means if u just miss a train, and their is a X10 in 30 mins u might aswell wait for the next train. 

Google Maps says 15 mins by car between Dalton Park & Seaham A19 slip road via Byron Place, so I've added 5 mins to factor in slower acceleration and stops.

(30 Jan 2022, 2:58 pm)Omega54 wrote Also if it were to come to seaham might make others chose the X10 over the train, for people who want to study at Newcastle or Middlesbrough it might not be faster but it can be cheaper, especially they have the price at 1:20.

Also if they advertise that Under 25 weekly/day tickets work on the X10, and they need to get the bus from the train station then..more passengers, as I didn't know they worked untill very recently and it always stopped me getting the X10

Whatever customers get fed up with what would end up being a 30 min increase in journey times between Newcastle and Peterlee will either consider buying a car or walking to Horden station and getting a train...which would still be faster than the X10. Newcastle to Peterlee appeared to be very popular when I last used the services, so I think it would be safe to not piss these customers off any more?

(30 Jan 2022, 2:46 pm)cbma06 wrote How often does the train actually run, ie packed out trains with no seats, trains cancelled etc…,passengers living closer where the x10 stops than the train station where passengers would have to get a bus service to get to train station, (you can get other gne bus services with the x10 ticket?).


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Depends where you live really. The train stops at more places which are argubly closer than some of the X10 stops. GNE serves nowhere south of Peterlee either way and barely serves anywhere North / East / West of Newcastle either so day tickets for most people are a waste of time aswell.

It's not as if GNE exactly have been the golden star for cancellations neither or more importantly breakdowns.

6352 - the one that broke down apparently it was a issue with the mirror - however engine trouble was said, probs to stop any confrontation