Could the X10 in the next year or so get some plaxton panoramas as they'll be more than suitable for the X10 as they're smooth and reliable vehicles, the fact that the oldest of them have been running Edinburgh to Glasgow and back on the 900 with little to no problems. Not to mention the panoramas are accessible coaches so shouldn't get the same complaints as the elites.

(13 Feb 2022, 7:44 am)GNE6312 wrote Could the X10 in the next year or so get some plaxton panoramas as they'll be more than suitable for the X10 as they're smooth and reliable vehicles, the fact that the oldest of them have been running Edinburgh to Glasgow and back on the 900 with little to no problems. Not to mention the panoramas are accessible coaches so shouldn't get the same complaints as the elites.

Why would GNE go back to coaches after getting rid of them? The E400MMC is more than fine for the X10 (albeit 5 years too late due to the vehicles previous management thought were acceptable replacements for the B9TLs).

(13 Feb 2022, 7:47 am)L469 YVK wrote Why would GNE go back to coaches after getting rid of them? The E400MMC is more than fine for the X10 (albeit 5 years too late due to the vehicles previous management thought were acceptable replacements for the B9TLs).

For me the X10 is more of a coach route than a bus route not ti mention coaches have more of an appeal than a normal bus. Tbh I would have used the spare levantes to replace the elites.

(13 Feb 2022, 8:09 am)GNE6312 wrote For me the X10 is more of a coach route than a bus route not ti mention coaches have more of an appeal than a normal bus. Tbh I would have used the spare levantes to replace the elites.

If the x10 ever gets coaches, it would have to be secondhand as if there buy new coaches then gne would still be paying for them after there been withdrawn from service.


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(13 Feb 2022, 8:09 am)GNE6312 wrote For me the X10 is more of a coach route than a bus route not ti mention coaches have more of an appeal than a normal bus. Tbh I would have used the spare levantes to replace the elites.

Pre-covid, I don't think many would disagree. But the numbers unfortunately add up to warrant coaches in the current climate. GNE have been there and tried.

Arriva have used classic E400 on the X15/X18 with no issues for the first five years although they're way overdue for replacement now. The E400MMC currently allocated will serve the X10 fine until at least 2026.

With 2 E400's not o X10 today, a thought crossed my mind. Has 6355 had a day off from X10's yet as I think it's been an ever present (I stand to be corrected). The other 3 have all been absent for a day or 2 but if that's right, that's some reliability from 6355!

(19 Feb 2022, 4:56 pm)Tiger5105 wrote With 2 E400's not o  X10 today, a thought crossed my mind. Has 6355 had a day off from X10's yet as I think it's been an ever present (I stand to be corrected). The other 3 have all been absent for a day or 2 but if that's right, that's some reliability from 6355!

6352 was having a day on the 10A today though not sure about 55

(19 Feb 2022, 4:56 pm)Tiger5105 wrote With 2 E400's not o  X10 today, a thought crossed my mind. Has 6355 had a day off from X10's yet as I think it's been an ever present (I stand to be corrected). The other 3 have all been absent for a day or 2 but if that's right, that's some reliability from 6355!

It's only been a few weeks, surely a new bus should be expected to do that.

Some of the Gemini's at Blyth which are 12 year old now and do exactly don't exactly do the easiest routes either (admit not as hard as the X10) have been in service every day excluding (Christmas etc) since the start of December. Now that's impressive reliability

(19 Feb 2022, 7:41 pm)Storx wrote It's only been a few weeks, surely a new bus should be expected to do that.

Some of the Gemini's at Blyth which are 12 year old now and do exactly don't exactly do the easiest routes either (admit not as hard as the X10) have been in service every day excluding (Christmas etc) since the start of December. Now that's impressive reliability

I wouldn't say Blyth's routes are exactly hard with the exception of a few twists and turns on the X8. A batch of StreetDecks would replace the DB300s fine for Blyth's work. 

Ashington's X21/X22 is another story. But after seeing GNE use them fine on the X1 including recent extensions to Dalton Park & Peterlee, I reckon they'd just cut it.

(19 Feb 2022, 4:56 pm)Tiger5105 wrote With 2 E400's not o  X10 today, a thought crossed my mind. Has 6355 had a day off from X10's yet as I think it's been an ever present (I stand to be corrected). The other 3 have all been absent for a day or 2 but if that's right, that's some reliability from 6355!

You do realise buses can be missing for reasons other than issues with reliability? Vandalism, accident damage (particularly with recent weather) or monthly inspections are some reasons why the others could have missed a day of service. 

Not being funny, but I'd expect a bus that's a year old to manage a few weeks in service without missing a day.

(19 Feb 2022, 7:14 pm)GNE6312 wrote 6352 was having a day on the 10A today though not sure about 55

More like a week on the Tyne Valley Tens services. 

Might be trailing it for a upgrade

(19 Feb 2022, 8:08 pm)L469 YVK wrote I wouldn't say Blyth's routes are exactly hard with the exception of a few twists and turns on the X8. A batch of StreetDecks would replace the DB300s fine for Blyth's work. 

Ashington's X21/X22 is another story. But after seeing GNE use them fine on the X1 including recent extensions to Dalton Park & Peterlee, I reckon they'd just cut it.

It's a bit derailed this but not sure the X21/X22 is any harder than the X10/X11 like. Both very similar routes. One blast from Cramlington / Bedlington to Gosforth Park then meandering around streets for the rest of the route. Agreed they're not the hardest in the world but harder than almost all of the GNE and Stagecoach network and the Gemini's are getting on now. Well built buses, the Streetdecks are just the newer version pretty much anyway and some of the GNE examples in comparison are awful for reliability.

(19 Feb 2022, 8:38 pm)Storx wrote It's a bit derailed this but not sure the X21/X22 is any harder than the X10/X11 like. Both very similar routes. One blast from Cramlington / Bedlington to Gosforth Park then meandering around streets for the rest of the route. Agreed they're not the hardest in the world but harder than almost all of the GNE and Stagecoach network and the Gemini's are getting on now. Well built buses, the Streetdecks are just the newer version pretty much anyway and some of the GNE examples in comparison are awful for reliability.

The 16 plate examples (6301-07) have been awful. But the G2s (6315-6333) and G3s (6356-6376) have been fairly spot on.

(19 Feb 2022, 8:12 pm)mb134 wrote You do realise buses can be missing for reasons other than issues with reliability? Vandalism, accident damage (particularly with recent weather) or monthly inspections are some reasons why the others could have missed a day of service. 

Not being funny, but I'd expect a bus that's a year old to manage a few weeks in service without missing a day.

Yes I do realise, thanks! I guess 6355 has been lucky with no vandalism or inspections required, whereas the others haven't been so lucky. Newish buses aren't necessarily immune to breakdowns either .  I can think of a number of E400's from Consett that's had spells out of service for whatever reason so again, 6355 must have been lucky and it is a demanding route, out first thing in the morning till late evening , seven days a week.

(19 Feb 2022, 9:32 pm)Tiger5105 wrote Yes I do realise, thanks! I guess 6355 has been lucky with no vandalism or inspections required, whereas the others haven't been so lucky. Newish buses aren't necessarily immune to breakdowns either .  I can think of a number of E400's from Consett that's had spells out of service for whatever reason so again, 6355 must have been lucky and it is a demanding route, out first thing in the morning till late evening , seven days a week.

The 4:31 X10 out does the 22:05 from Middlesborough back. Monday-Friday

6307 broke down at Peterlee last service to Newcastle.

I have been on the X10 recently, and it seems the drivers turn off the top deck lights when leaving Heworth to Dalton park, and from Dalton park to Peterlee etc

Does the x10/X9 have it's own rota. Also if so can drivers of other rotas work overtime on it.

(07 Mar 2022, 8:53 pm)lloyd647 wrote Does the x10/X9 have it's own rota. Also if so can drivers of other rotas work overtime on it.

Yes, and yes.

Just went past a southbound X10 at Heworth and it was packed

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(09 Mar 2022, 1:32 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Just went past a southbound X10 at Heworth and it was packed

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I was on the X10 yesterday to Dalton Park from Gateshead and back and it was packed. Almost every seat upstairs and fish from what I could see.

(10 Mar 2022, 3:02 pm)logidoodah wrote I was on the X10 yesterday to Dalton Park from Gateshead and back and it was packed. Almost every seat upstairs and fish from what I could see.

I've passed 3 today while traveling, and the 2 I seen going Northbound at different times were full bottom and top at a glance.

I wonder if there bring the x9 back if the numbers start to increase month on month


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(10 Mar 2022, 4:30 pm)cbma06 wrote I wonder if there bring the x9 back if the numbers start to increase month on month


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Don't see the point. They would only withdraw it again

(10 Mar 2022, 4:34 pm)Train8261 wrote Don't see the point. They would only withdraw it again

I wonder what they would use. Maybe the 69' Plates however they are slightly less high spec than the current ones.

But I think maybe Newcastle - Peterlee Via Seaham maybe be a option.

Issues with one tonight. Didn't get the id, but managed to limp off the A19 and on to the Hartlepool slip road.

Highways Agency coned off the road to try and cover it.

(30 Aug 2022, 4:56 pm)Andreos1 wrote Issues with one tonight. Didn't get the id, but managed to limp off the A19 and on to the Hartlepool slip road.

Highways Agency coned off the road to try and cover it.

6355

X10 needs a dedicated spare, seems every day there is a replacement bus. Really they should've have one from Day one, as the 04:55 service also runs the last X10 20:20 from Newcastle.

(30 Aug 2022, 9:20 pm)NL62WVW wrote 6355

Looking at the time it happened and the time I passed it, it had been there a while.

Comes back to the cost/benefit I queried yesterday in another thread.

A driver and vehicle down. Presumably until an fitter managed to get down with a spare. 
Said fitter would then attempt to fix it and get it back to the depot.
If it isn't fixable/driveable, then they wait for Alpha. 
So Riverside are a fitter down for hours on end.

(30 Aug 2022, 9:43 pm)Unber43 wrote X10 needs a dedicated spare, seems every day there is a replacement bus. Really they should've have one from Day one, as the 04:55 service also runs the last X10 20:20 from Newcastle.

I thought 6099 or 6100 was the X10 spare, even if not in Xlines livery?