When are the new buses due for Arriva North East as just been told 7511 to 7517 are due to transfer to Selby ??

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(09 Mar 2022, 4:08 pm)Mark51953 wrote When are the new buses due for Arriva North East as just been told 7511 to 7517 are due to transfer to Selby ??

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Rumours were that Arriva are due ADL Enviro 200MMC/400MMC. Though I don't believe it

(09 Mar 2022, 4:09 pm)Train8261 wrote Rumours were that Arriva are due ADL Enviro 200MMC/400MMC. Though I don't believe it

We've been told this morning North East getting new deckers and then 7511-7517 to transfer to Selby releasing 1500-7 to Castleford

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(09 Mar 2022, 4:21 pm)Mark51953 wrote We've been told this morning North East getting new deckers and then 7511-7517 to transfer to Selby releasing 1500-7 to Castleford

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Summer is what was rumoured on here for Ashington / Jesmond which would make sense if they're shipping them out. I guess you's have a PVR reduction as you seem to be losing 8 buses and only gaining 6 (there's no 7513 as it went up in smoke).

Also feel sorry if they're going on the Selby to York routes as they're shot to bits being on the X15/X18 for most their life.

(09 Mar 2022, 5:17 pm)Storx wrote Summer is what was rumoured on here for Ashington / Jesmond which would make sense if they're shipping them out. I guess you's have a PVR reduction as you seem to be losing 8 buses and only gaining 6 (there's no 7513 as it went up in smoke).

Also feel sorry if they're going on the Selby to York routes as they're shot to bits being on the X15/X18 for most their life.

7513 was withdrawn after a collision on the A1. Believe it had broken down and was waiting in a bus stop when a car collided with the back of it. 

The original 7510 was the one that had a thermal incident, with the 'new' 7510 being 7513s (insurance?) replacement.

(09 Mar 2022, 7:36 pm)mb134 wrote 7513 was withdrawn after a collision on the A1. Believe it had broken down and was waiting in a bus stop when a car collided with the back of it. 

The original 7510 was the one that had a thermal incident, with the 'new' 7510 being 7513s (insurance?) replacement.

Ah buggar aye, forgot about that. Yeah I believe it was that.

Arriva are getting new buses, it is now confirmed.

However, no E400s are transferring out of North East, as they are all earmarked for Euro 6 conversion for Newcastle CAZ.
The new buses coming into North East will instead withdraw life expired Volvo B7s and DB250's.

7511 and 7512 are probably also very likely to be withdrawn, as they will be 15 years old this year and I don't think Selby would want older buses than the ones they have now?
As mentioned 7513 doesn't exist.
7514-7517 will stay with North East and likely converted to Euro 6, if they haven't already. They still have a year or two of service left.

(10 Mar 2022, 7:22 pm)RobinHood wrote Arriva are getting new buses, it is now confirmed.

However, no E400s are transferring out of North East, as they are all earmarked for Euro 6 conversion for Newcastle CAZ.
The new buses coming into North East will instead withdraw life expired Volvo B7s and DB250's.

7511 and 7512 are probably also very likely to be withdrawn, as they will be 15 years old this year and I don't think Selby would want older buses than the ones they have now?
As mentioned 7513 doesn't exist.
7514-7517 will stay with North East and likely converted to Euro 6, if they haven't already. They still have a year or two of service left.

7511 and 7512 surely wouldn't be withdrawn before the 55-reg ALX400's...doubt there'll be enough new vehicles to cover all the old B7's plus the ALX 400's plus 7511 and 7512?

This is from another site and more

"Heard reports that selby depot is being sold and that the 59 regs Gemini’s are transferring to other arriva Yorkshire depots."

'59plates off to west yorkshire and we getting 57 - 09 plate enviro 400s from north east as they getting brand new buses"

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(10 Mar 2022, 9:13 pm)Mark51953 wrote This is from another site and more

"Heard reports that selby depot is being sold and that the 59 regs Gemini’s are transferring to other arriva Yorkshire depots."

'59plates off to west yorkshire and we getting 57 - 09 plate enviro 400s from north east as they getting brand new buses"

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Rumors I can only assume. The information I've been told was from someone who works in North East head office, that is why I'm confident enough to post it here.

(10 Mar 2022, 8:26 pm)peter wrote 7511 and 7512 surely wouldn't be withdrawn before the 55-reg ALX400's...doubt there'll be enough new vehicles to cover all the old B7's plus the ALX 400's plus 7511 and 7512?

It's doable like.

19 Enviro 400 MMC's
7 ex Liverpool Pulsars

Have come / or are coming in.

There's 24 B7TL's in the fleet but I believe some have already been withdrawn and there seems to be around 14 buses (excluding Solos) in Durham (according to bustimes) that have either been VOR all day or been pulled out. If they fix there fleet up don't see why they'd need to use them.

Well the figure of 19x E400MMC (excluding the extra X18s in the summer) does cover all of Ashington's 'X' routes as well as the 3x to make up the PVR of the X21/X22. Ashington could keep 7526-28 as spares.

That would then allow 7522 (already at Jesmond), 7524-25, 7529-33, 7553-56 to go to Jesmond for the 43/44/45 covering a total PVR of 12x.

These should boost the percentage of ANE vehicles with NSAs… I take it they’ll come with NSAs - is it a requirement now for any brand new buses?

(12 Mar 2022, 7:12 pm)ne14ne1 wrote These should boost the percentage of ANE vehicles with NSAs… I take it they’ll come with NSAs - is it a requirement now for any brand new buses?

Localised decisions but Arriva North West have ordered their new standard buses with NSAs.

(12 Mar 2022, 7:58 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Localised decisions but Arriva North West have ordered their new standard buses with NSAs.

Oh god. I’ll not hold my breath then.

(12 Mar 2022, 8:07 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Oh god. I’ll not hold my breath then.

And I don’t think Arriva NE have the resource to update/manage their systems - so even more reason not to hold your breath!


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(12 Mar 2022, 8:30 pm)Dan wrote And I don’t think Arriva NE have the resource to update/manage their systems - so even more reason not to hold your breath!


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Not unless there's someone else willing to piss their time away for free....

(12 Mar 2022, 8:07 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Oh god. I’ll not hold my breath then.

Wouldn't be surprised if they did, Ashington's are all working on the X21/X22 as far as I'm aware where these are likely to be based.

Arriva Yorkshire / NE are usually quite innovate for Arriva with MAX etc which pretty much is the standard livery give or take compared to other areas. I believe the 17 plate MMC's in Yorkshire which weren't Sapphire got CCTV screens instead (assuming they weren't allowed back then as it would make Sapphire pointless as it's the only difference).

Arriva Merseyside aren't usually the most innovate as they didn't rollout MAX or Sapphire at all and they're repainting is worse than Arriva NE / Yorkshire (believe it or not).

(12 Mar 2022, 8:30 pm)Dan wrote And I don’t think Arriva NE have the resource to update/manage their systems - so even more reason not to hold your breath!

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The maintenance of them was a problem with Durham's NSAs. It took about 2 years to remove the embarrassing mistake of "Three Horse Hoes" from the programme on the 22.

(12 Mar 2022, 7:12 pm)ne14ne1 wrote These should boost the percentage of ANE vehicles with NSAs… I take it they’ll come with NSAs - is it a requirement now for any brand new buses?

I thought it was a legal requirement under The Bus Services Act 2017

(14 Mar 2022, 4:16 pm)busmanT wrote I thought it was a legal requirement under The Bus Services Act 2017

I couldn’t remember if it had become a legal requirement already (and rightly so) or was proposed to be.

Is there anything new on the cards to replace the Solos for town work in Darlo/Stockton/Whitby etc? Been on a few solos the last week and they're showing their age, some are 14 years old

(20 Mar 2022, 7:05 pm)JoshP wrote Is there anything new on the cards to replace the Solos for town work in Darlo/Stockton/Whitby etc? Been on a few solos the last week and they're showing their age, some are 14 years old

Don't think there's anything replacing those at Darlington any time soon, they seem pretty happy to keep using them on all manner of routes morning, noon and night. Some are better than others although they seem pretty tired now, would say they're fine for Town work although ideally would stop doing stuff like 8/8A & the X66 on evenings.

Stockton haven't had Solo's for a while now (excluding loans when Yarm Fair has been on)

(20 Mar 2022, 7:09 pm)Jimmi wrote Don't think there's anything replacing those at Darlington any time soon, they seem pretty happy to keep using them on all manner of routes morning, noon and night. Some are better than others although they seem pretty tired now, would say they're fine for Town work although ideally would stop doing stuff like 8/8A & the X66 on evenings.

Stockton haven't had Solo's for a while now (excluding loans when Yarm Fair has been on)

Ahh so not for a good while then. Would have been nice to have more EcoCities at Darlo since we have the infrastructure.

(14 Mar 2022, 4:16 pm)busmanT wrote I thought it was a legal requirement under The Bus Services Act 2017

Does this mean they have to come with the facility for NSA or they have to have NSA’s?

There is quite a big difference.

Apparently there will be 19 new buses arriving at Ashington in July plus a few refurbished ones to replace the Solos. Should give them one of the most modern fleets in the whole of Arriva outside of London.

(26 Mar 2022, 11:06 am)Driver9*** wrote Apparently there will be 19 new buses arriving at Ashington in July plus a few refurbished ones to replace the Solos. Should give them one of the most modern fleets in the whole of Arriva outside of London.

So all E400MMCs to Ashington as there was 19x in the order? That covers all of the X14/X15/X18/X20 + 3x for the X21/X22.

Then that frees 14x 14/64/15 plate classic E400. 11x for the 43/44/45 (as well as 7522 already at Jesmond) then 3x spare staying at Ashington.

Where will the 12x E200MMC be going?

(26 Mar 2022, 11:11 am)L469 YVK wrote So all E400MMCs to Ashington as there was 19x in the order? That covers all of the X14/X15/X18/X20 + 3x for the X21/X22.

Then that frees 14x 14/64/15 plate classic E400. 11x for the 43/44/45 (as well as 7522 already at Jesmond) then 3x spare staying at Ashington.

Where will the 12x E200MMC be going?

Given the need for spares and summer increases I imagine the X14 is more likely to be worked by classic E400 and presumably some older examples will be retained for the 35 replacing 7411/45/46/84/86. At the very least Jesmond need three deckers to replace 7412/15/91, which leaves 11 left over.  Belmont still has 5 Gemini's which will presumably be replaced. Perhaps the remaining six will be used to replace single decks that can in turn replace excess Solo's. The 12 E200's are rumoured for Jesmond (new Newcastle depot) for the Solo operated services.

(26 Mar 2022, 7:30 pm)peter wrote Given the need for spares and summer increases I imagine the X14 is more likely to be worked by classic E400 and presumably some older examples will be retained for the 35 replacing 7411/45/46/84/86. At the very least Jesmond need three deckers to replace 7412/15/91, which leaves 11 left over.  Belmont still has 5 Gemini's which will presumably be replaced. Perhaps the remaining six will be used to replace single decks that can in turn replace excess Solo's. The 12 E200's are rumoured for Jesmond (new Newcastle depot) for the Solo operated services.

It's rumoured that all the B7TL's are being withdrawn. There's more than enough buses around if Durham didn't have numerous buses off the road. Remember there's the ex Liverpool Pulsars at Jesmond which could be used to replace the 3 Deckers there aswell which haven't turned up yet which I'm not sure what route they're planned for but some boards on the 43/44/45 seems most sensible.

(26 Mar 2022, 7:51 pm)Storx wrote It's rumoured that all the B7TL's are being withdrawn. There's more than enough buses around if Durham didn't have numerous buses off the road. Remember there's the ex Liverpool Pulsars at Jesmond which could be used to replace the 3 Deckers there aswell which haven't turned up yet which I'm not sure what route they're planned for but some boards on the 43/44/45 seems most sensible.

I'm just not convinced they'll pull it off withdrawing all the Belmont ALX400's haha. I know there's some more Liverpool pulsars to come, can't help think it would be better to use them to replace Solo's cause we've got far too many in the region, then get some more ex-London vehicles to Durham for the X46/48