(01 May 2022, 10:51 pm)Jack Gill wrote Hopefully the 21 will be back to every 7 minutes soon.

But it doesn't look to need the 7.8 minute service on Monday to Friday.

Adding extra frequency on Saturdays (either to the 21 or X10) means more weekend shifts that aren't popular with staff

(02 May 2022, 10:55 am)busmanT wrote But it doesn't look to need the 7.8 minute service on Monday to Friday.

Adding extra frequency on Saturdays (either to the 21 or X10) means more weekend shifts that aren't popular with staff

I'm assuming it was because of the match surely the better option would be run the odd duplicate if there's a problem with certain boards regardless.

(02 May 2022, 10:55 am)busmanT wrote But it doesn't look to need the 7.8 minute service on Monday to Friday.

Adding extra frequency on Saturdays (either to the 21 or X10) means more weekend shifts that aren't popular with staff

I agree when you have the 25 complimenting it from Low Fell into Newcastle pretty much making it a bus every 7/8 minutes currently anyway, you also have the adage of the 28B on Evenings & Sundays maintaining part of the frequency.

Is GNE short of drivers?, since gne announced due to recruitment drive a lot more services will be operated, but in fact services are being cancelled on regular basis , so IF the 21 gets increased to the every 7/8 minutes between Chester and Newcastle then there have to have more drivers available. GNE should be reducing the frequency of there services where there can until there confident of drivers available instead of cancelling bus services and having passengers wondering if there going to get home on a night or get to and from work


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(02 May 2022, 10:55 am)busmanT wrote But it doesn't look to need the 7.8 minute service on Monday to Friday.

Adding extra frequency on Saturdays (either to the 21 or X10) means more weekend shifts that aren't popular with staff

God help staff in a service industry work shifts when the market demands it….

Is there actually any evidence buses are actually busier on Saturday or is it just another watching BusTimes thing excluding a few buses immediately after the match.

The fact there's numerous routes in North East are on a reduced timetable on a Saturday with no noticeable problems (306, 308, X21, X22 all Arriva), believe there's numerous Stagecoach routes aswell, would suggest the opposite

(03 May 2022, 7:29 am)Storx wrote Is there actually any evidence buses are actually busier on Saturday or is it just another watching BusTimes thing excluding a few buses immediately after the match.

The fact there's numerous routes in North East are on a reduced timetable on a Saturday with no noticeable problems (306, 308, X21, X22 all Arriva), believe there's numerous Stagecoach routes aswell, would suggest the opposite

Is it not just that the loads are spread out more evenly throughout the day rather than having the peak times in the morning and evening which gives the impression that they're actually busier?

(03 May 2022, 8:04 am)streetdeckfan wrote Is it not just that the loads are spread out more evenly throughout the day rather than having the peak times in the morning and evening which gives the impression that they're actually busier?

Aye possibly like, not going to lie whenever I see buses on a Saturday they seem pretty quiet. Guess it depends on what people class as 'busy' though. As busy to me is no seats and standing but I know someone else on here classes busy as having to sit next to someone which really is half full.

(03 May 2022, 8:10 am)Storx wrote Aye possibly like, not going to lie whenever I see buses on a Saturday they seem pretty quiet. Guess it depends on what people class as 'busy' though. As busy to me is no seats and standing but I know someone else on here classes busy as having to sit next to someone which really is half full.

I'd probably count maybe 3/4 seats taken as busy. Although, I really don't like sitting next to somebody so...

I consider standing as 'overflow' capacity rather than making up the actual capacity of a bus, nobody should really be standing on a bus if they can help it. It's dangerous and uncomfortable.

Storx[b wrotepid='275585' dateline='1651562988']Is there actually any evidence buses are actually busier on Saturday or is it just another watching BusTimes thing excluding a few buses immediately after the match.[/b] 

The fact there's numerous routes in North East are on a reduced timetable on a Saturday with no noticeable problems (306, 308, X21, X22 all Arriva), believe there's numerous Stagecoach routes aswell, would suggest the opposite

Personal experience in some cases, although I am sure bus times will play a part. As long as the ticket machine is working and bus times data is correct!

I am sure the flow patterns will be different to those of a weekday and there will be various factors that come in to play. Whether that's a match being on, an event in the town (saw something about a festival in Leazes Park this weekend) or something else such as metros or trains being off.

(03 May 2022, 8:48 am)Andreos1 wrote Personal experience in some cases, although I am sure bus times will play a part. As long as the ticket machine is working and bus times data is correct!

I am sure the flow patterns will be different to those of a weekday and there will be various factors that come in to play. Whether that's a match being on, an event in the town (saw something about a festival in Leazes Park this weekend) or something else such as metros or trains being off.

Aye that's fair, the Metro's being off yesterday wouldn't have helped nor the trains being off aswell which would impact the X10 big time (the real reason for the standing let's be honest).

Upcoming to change to the 97 - Minor timetable change to 97 - https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/f...160522.pdf

Noticed the 1 is having a route and timetable change towards the end of May- from Gateshead to Newcastle operating via Redheugh Bridge and Central Station instead of via Tyne bridge.

Not sure if this is a temporary (I know there’s a lot of work going on around the Pilgrim Street area) or permanent change but it certainly sounds like a good idea if it is.

(11 May 2022, 3:22 pm)Thomas12 wrote Noticed the 1 is having a route and timetable change towards the end of May- from Gateshead to Newcastle operating via Redheugh Bridge and Central Station instead of via Tyne bridge.

Not sure if this is a temporary (I know there’s a lot of work going on around the Pilgrim Street area) or permanent change but it certainly sounds like a good idea if it is.

Suggested on here a while ago that they needed to look at different ways in and out of the town. It has the potential to open up so many opportunities and ensures buses aren't following each other in and out via the same routes.

Coincidentally, I also posted in the Blackett St thread earlier today, about cross - city links and improving access to the west of the city centre for people coming from the North, south or east
This change does just that.

(11 May 2022, 3:22 pm)Thomas12 wrote Noticed the 1 is having a route and timetable change towards the end of May- from Gateshead to Newcastle operating via Redheugh Bridge and Central Station instead of via Tyne bridge.

Not sure if this is a temporary (I know there’s a lot of work going on around the Pilgrim Street area) or permanent change but it certainly sounds like a good idea if it is.

It relates to the works on Pilgrim Street, yes.

The works will be ongoing for around three years, so it'll probably be a permanent change.

(11 May 2022, 3:33 pm)Andreos1 wrote Suggested on here a while ago that they needed to look at different ways in and out of the town. It has the potential to open up so many opportunities and ensures buses aren't following each other in and out via the same routes.

Coincidentally, I also posted in the Blackett St thread earlier today, about cross - city links and improving access to the west of the city centre for people coming from the North, south or east
This change does just that.

Not sure it helps anything this one mind. It just duplicates the 22 even more and makes it a rather long journey for those actually wanting to go to Gateshead. Other than that it's not really opening any links at all for anyone.

The reliability of the coastbound trips is going to go down the toilet with what looks like reduced layover at Gateshead. 12 minutes during the day between departing Gateshead Metro and departing Market Street with 5 sets of traffic lights between the Redheugh Bridge and Clayton Street west alone. Plus loading and unloading. I just can't see it.

(11 May 2022, 3:54 pm)Dan wrote It relates to the works on Pilgrim Street, yes.

The works will be ongoing for around three years, so it'll probably be a permanent change.

What work is going on, on pilgrim street

I don't even understand why the 1 still needs to go to Gateshead. There doesn't seem a point now since once it hits Market Street. It's running alongside every other GNE services to Gateshead

(11 May 2022, 9:14 pm)Aaron21 wrote I don't even understand why the 1 still needs to go to Gateshead. There doesn't seem a point now since once it hits Market Street. It's running alongside every other GNE services to Gateshead

At present they'd have a bus sitting in Market Street for 21 minutes if it didn't go anywhere else, so it may as well go to Gateshead to provide a link from North Tyneside and Shields Road

(11 May 2022, 7:28 pm)Storx wrote Not sure it helps anything this one mind. It just duplicates the 22 even more and makes it a rather long journey for those actually wanting to go to Gateshead. Other than that it's not really opening any links at all for anyone.

See, I'm not sure about that. 
I think the potential to open up that east - west corridor (as far as GNE or ANE are concerned) is something that has been needed for a while and may encourage those travelling to places like the station or college to do so via GNE, rather than SNE, car, taxi, metro, foot or a combo of those things. 
The numbers attracted to this re-routed option, may counteract anyone who is annoyed by the extra few minutes spent on the bus, crossing the Tyne. 

It's a positive move imo and hopefully it inspires further revisions to routes around that way - whether via the Redheugh Bridge or Forth Banks. 
It may also see an end to the never ending convoy of buses following each other out of Gateshead, over the Tyne Bridge and back out again over the High Level.

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(11 May 2022, 9:01 pm)Unber43 wrote What work is going on, on pilgrim street

Redeveloping the whole area basically. The Stack, car park behind it, the old Odeon and the office blocks are all going or gone.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/commerci...e-23437858

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(11 May 2022, 9:14 pm)Aaron21 wrote I don't even understand why the 1 still needs to go to Gateshead. There doesn't seem a point now since once it hits Market Street. It's running alongside every other GNE services to Gateshead

You could say that about every other bus going back and forwards over the river though.
There's too many imo and whilst I don't think they all need to cross the river in the numbers they do currently, I do think a bit of route variation can help.

(11 May 2022, 9:30 pm)Andreos1 wrote See, I'm not sure about that. 
I think the potential to open up that east - west corridor (as far as GNE or ANE are concerned) is something that has been needed for a while and may encourage those travelling to places like the station or college to do so via GNE, rather than SNE, car, taxi, metro, foot or a combo of those things. 
The numbers attracted to this re-routed option, may counteract anyone who is annoyed by the extra few minutes spent on the bus, crossing the Tyne. 

It's a positive move imo and hopefully it inspires further revisions to routes around that way - whether via the Redheugh Bridge or Forth Banks. 
It may also see an end to the never ending convoy of buses following each other out of Gateshead, over the Tyne Bridge and back out again over the High Level.

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Redeveloping the whole area basically. The Stack, car park behind it, the old Odeon and the office blocks are all going or gone.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/commerci...e-23437858

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You could say that about every other bus going back and forwards over the river though.
There's too many imo and whilst I don't think they all need to cross the river in the numbers they do currently, I do think a bit of route variation can help.

I see what your saying but personally I don't think East to West buses are bad there's tonnes and literally tonnes of buses going across town. Doubt many will use the 1 for that as like you said there's Stagecoach and the Metro pretty much at every point. 

It's East to South that's the problem imo and the 1 sorted that. Someone travelling to Team Valley let's say which now is an awkward journey again whereas it was a quick hop to Gateshead and then a change to the 93/94 just to pick one. 

Agreed with the numerous buses going as cross the Tyne though it's a shame they can't connect to other services tbh giving through corridors. 
 
The Q3 is always the missed opportunity to me. I always think it should be split with the Northern half been bolted onto the 57 or something giving connections from Gosforth through to Deckham maybe even via the new arena and the other half bolted onto something towards to Metro Centre which would also give connections from the South West to the Quayside (maybe the 6) New connections, where people actually want to go.

The only part I've seen of the 1 actually being a use for Gateshead is the 1 5.15am from North Shields is used to connect people to the 94 for the team Valley

https://www.flickr.com/photos/182309254@...Mv-2kFrdF7 (New Photo of 6086)

But with these changes which will effect Deptford the only real change I can see is no 38A, but really that isn't unexpected seems as though it does the same loop as 38.

The only services which are missing is 135/136.

(14 May 2022, 3:04 pm)Unber43 wrote https://www.flickr.com/photos/182309254@...Mv-2kFrdF7 (New Photo of 6086)

But with these changes which will effect Deptford the only real change I can see is no 38A, but really that isn't unexpected seems as though it does the same loop as 38.

The only services which are missing is 135/136.

The 135/136 aren't on any network maps they produce from what I've seen, probably because they only run in the evenings and on Sundays.

Mod note: Closing this thread to avoid confusion and duplication.
See Go North East: Major Service Changes July 2022