(10 Dec 2024, 7:45 pm)Mike_98 wrote With all these North West Pulsars coming to Teesside, do we have any news whats happening to the only Centro left in the fleet?

Also is there any Pulsar 1's coming or is it purely Pulsar 2's.

A mix of both… 1534 is down to be withdrawn - but I’m sure it’ll find a way to survive once again!
30 in total coming for the NE fleet, 5 going to Yorkshire to kill Tempos (3 arrived on Sunday) and I believe 20 (some of which have moved already) for Derby/Midlands to bin their Scanias


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(10 Dec 2024, 7:51 pm)tyresmoke wrote A mix of both… 1534 is down to be withdrawn - but I’m sure it’ll find a way to survive once again!
30 in total coming for the NE fleet, 5 going to Yorkshire to kill Tempos (3 arrived on Sunday) and I believe 20 (some of which have moved already) for Derby/Midlands to bin their Scanias


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Unfortunately 4 was meant to arrive at Yorkshire on Sunday, but one broke down on the way it looks like that pulsar in question now, will be going to scrap and another one will be sent in its place.

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(10 Dec 2024, 7:45 pm)Mike_98 wrote With all these North West Pulsars coming to Teesside, do we have any news whats happening to the only Centro left in the fleet?

Also is there any Pulsar 1's coming or is it purely Pulsar 2's.

Most likely  Pulsar 2s. 09/59/10 plates I assume

I imagine any Pulsar 1s still in the North West will more than likely be heading to scrap

(08 Dec 2024, 4:22 pm)tyresmoke wrote 1404 going back from Ashington would make sense if 1418-29 are going to Stockton. That’s 9 from Redcar (18/20/21/23-27/29) and 1404 makes 10 displacing 10 Streetlites to NW in return for 10 Evora’s.
23 NW Pulsars allegedly heading for Redcar, how many are expected at Ashington?


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imo there'd be much better doing

1404: Ashington to Stockton
1462/1463/1497: Ashington to Darlington
1356/1357: Darlington to Withdrawn
1406/1408/1409/1411/1416/1417/1431/1437: Darlington to Stockton
1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427/1429/1433: Redcar to Stockton

10x Streetlite - North West
9x Streetlite - Ashington
7x Streetlite - Darlington

30x NW Pulsar: Redcar / Stockton
10x Evora: Redcar

Then any future orders are focused on Stockton, Redcar and Blyth since Ashington, Darlington and Durham are pretty much sorted until 2027 at least in terms of investment to get shot of the 09/59 Pulsars and 59 Gemini's.

Much easier to have everything combined together rather than microfleets all over the place.

(11 Dec 2024, 12:25 pm)Storx wrote imo there'd be much better doing

1404: Ashington to Stockton
1462/1463/1497: Ashington to Darlington
1356/1357: Darlington to Withdrawn
1406/1408/1409/1411/1416/1417/1431/1437: Darlington to Stockton
1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427/1429/1433: Redcar to Stockton

10x Streetlite - North West
9x Streetlite - Ashington
7x Streetlite - Darlington

30x NW Pulsar: Redcar / Stockton
10x Evora: Redcar

Then any future orders are focused on Stockton, Redcar and Blyth since Ashington, Darlington and Durham are pretty much sorted until 2027 at least in terms of investment to get shot of the 09/59 Pulsars and 59 Gemini's.

Much easier to have everything combined together rather than microfleets all over the place.

 Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

(11 Dec 2024, 3:04 pm)Mark66t wrote  Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427 & 1429 are on the list to be moved to Stockton so your the one who is not getting ahead here.

Question  for  u  why would Redcar get shot of pulsars  when the temsas are getting withdrawn  ?

(11 Dec 2024, 3:04 pm)Mark66t wrote  Think ur getting ahead  here  as 1423 24 25 26 27 33 aren't on. Any list of moments  that's been mentioned and also on fb 1462 was mentioned it was down for Redcar

To be fair most of them won't be on, it was more about cleaning where things are rather than having microfleets all over the place.

Arriva badly imo need to try and decide who has what rather than microfleets all over the place. There's no need for Streetlite's at 4 depots. Durham and Ashington imo should be converted to full Streetlite single decker operation with their Pulsars moved out, there's barely any at either now anyway.

That's Ashington and Durham both sorted for fleet investment for years, with all the 12/13/63 Pulsars heading to Darlington and again sorting them out for awhile. You could put some older ones on the 2 as there's electrics planned for that in the future.

Means then all the investment can be focused on Stockton and Redcar who both probably deserve some as they've got some strong routes and the fleet is like a heritage fleet at both ie. massive order at Stockton to replace all the 09/59 Plates which are all now allocated there. Well and they're not affected by franchising like the Northern depots.

(11 Dec 2024, 3:31 pm)Spottybus17 wrote 1418/1420/1421/1423/1424/1425/1426/1427 & 1429 are on the list to be moved to Stockton so your the one who is not getting ahead here.

I thought these weren't moving from redcar

(11 Dec 2024, 5:46 pm)Mark66t wrote I can confirm there not I asked  nothing is leaving Redcar  part from temsas

Ah yes


A spotter asking a driver for info hahahaha makes me laugh these days


Yea drivers know absolutely everything

Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

(11 Dec 2024, 9:23 pm)Mike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

(11 Dec 2024, 9:23 pm)TMike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

 Another way  transferred all Ashington lites to Stockton  as an  one of  egingeer   who works at Stockton   would be able to keep them  running   like there should be
 
Then  1430 1431 32 37  could return to Redcar  where there where  new  ?

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(11 Dec 2024, 10:39 pm)Storx wrote Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

 Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

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(11 Dec 2024, 9:23 pm)Mike_98 wrote Like what Storx said. However, I don't think Redcar should lose some of their Pulsars they have had for ages like 1433. Stockton also may as well swap their Lites with Darlo and Ashington for some of their Pulsars to keep them from having microfleets everywhere. This is what I would do.

Northumbria to Stockton:
1404, 1462, 1463, 1480, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1497

Stockton to Northumbria:
1556, 1557, 1558, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563

Darlington to Stockton:
1406, 1408, 1409, 1411, 1416, 1417, 1431, 1437

Stockton to Darlington:
1550, 1551, 1552, 1553, 1554, 1555, 1473, 1474

10 Brand New Evoras to Redcar
23x+ Pulsars from  North West to Redcar to Replace Temsas and Centro

Then theres the question with the Solos at Whitby and the DB300's

People would hate me for this but maybe

Redcar to Northumbria:
7609, 7610
Northumbria to Redcar:
7551, 7552

That'll sort the Park and Ride Contract for like 8 Years. Also with all the DB's up there, it gives them a case to buy an extra 2 new vehicles when all of them get withdrawn. No point of having the DB's in Redcar for them to Micro Manage them.

EDIT: Then I would have:

Stockton to Redcar:
1431,1432, 1437

Redcar to Stockton:
1418, 1420, 1421

(11 Dec 2024, 10:39 pm)Storx wrote Aye, need an extra 5 at Ashington though.

To be honest I'd probably be tempted to do it the opposite way and send the Streetlite's down from Ashington in return for Pulsars tbh but send some of the newer ones ie. send 1509/1510/1511/1514-1523 to Ashington in return for their 8 Streetlite's instead with 1601-7 from Darlington joining them. Then spread the remaining Streetlite's out between Darlington and Durham instead.

The Streetlite's are a bit of a microfleet really with the allocations on paper at Ashington being:
1509/1510/1511/1514/5: 57/57A
1516-19: 1
1520-1523: 2
1479/1512/1513: X16/777

Would be an upgrade really up here since the Solo's are going and no-one will be moaning about the loss of a year or two from the Streetlite's.

(11 Dec 2024, 11:53 pm)Mark66t wrote

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 Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

(11 Dec 2024, 11:53 pm)Mark66t wrote Could move the lites to Stockton  then 5  Pulsars from Stockton to Ashington  could easily work  perhaps .

You'd need 13 vehicles up here. Be better to have the older vehicles at Stockton though imo. Think it would be easier to build a case for investment there rather than attempting to get newer buses for the likes of the 1/2/57/57A up here which isn't happening, especially with the upcoming franchising lingering over the area.

Stuff like the 5, 7, 8, 9 and 15 deserve better stuff than 10 year old Streetlite's anyway imo but it's going to be a harder argument with 'newer' buses on.

Mind the rumours lingering around, it seems like the 09 Plates are getting dumped down there anyway for no doubt that reason tbh. The 5/5A, in particular, is ideal for Evora's with the hills etc at the Easington side.

Mind you could make the argument of making Darlington Streetlite free instead though, if you wanted to keep the Streetlite's at Stockton, because the 1, 5, 7 and X66/X67 there are much of the same really and they're all Evora type of routes aswell. Without working it out those combined probably are about enough to wipe out all the 09 Plate Pulsars aswell including Stockton's 5.

(11 Dec 2024, 5:37 pm)Ryland wrote I thought these weren't moving from redcar

Apparently they are I’ve been told

Idk why everyone thinks that the StreetLite should go to Ashington since we already have the Merseyside Pulsars and don't need more StreetLites. More StreetLite means more chances of them ending up on the X routes which they don't need. It's amazing that every depot wants rid the StreetLite to send them to Ashington so they don't have them. It's amazing reading this sh!t show on here

(Yesterday, 12:39 pm)Aaron21 wrote Idk why everyone thinks that the StreetLite should go to Ashington since we already have the Merseyside Pulsars and don't need more StreetLites. More StreetLite means more chances of them ending up on the X routes which they don't need. It's amazing that every depot wants rid the StreetLite to send them to Ashington so they don't have them. It's amazing reading this sh!t show on here

As much as I dislike them. They're perfectly fine for any routes in Ashington bar the X15/X18/X20 really.

The 35/X21/X22 are piss easy routes hence they've got a chunk of the battered Enviro 400's doing them without issue. The vast majority of the route is just pottering round Bedlington.

They're pretty much on the 777/X16 daily without issue anyway with the Pulsars on the 1/2 which probably says what's actually better.

From bits and pieces I've been hearing, don't be surprised if Arriva look to invest more in Blyth and Ashington in the coming years than Stockton and Redcar. They see opportunities in franchising in the North East and want to be ready to take advantage of it.

There is little incentive to invest in Redcar and Stockton at the moment. Passenger loads are good, car ownership lower than the catchment area of Blyth/Ashington routes, and no issues with clean air zones. The business case for investment in the North East is at the Northumberland/Newcastle end.

(11 hours ago)Shrek wrote From bits and pieces I've been hearing, don't be surprised if Arriva look to invest more in Blyth and Ashington in the coming years than Stockton and Redcar. They see opportunities in franchising in the North East and want to be ready to take advantage of it.

There is little incentive to invest in Redcar and Stockton at the moment. Passenger loads are good, car ownership lower than the catchment area of Blyth/Ashington routes, and no issues with clean air zones. The business case for investment in the North East is at the Northumberland/Newcastle end.

Must admit I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge order at Blyth soon, say 25 buses or so, to replace the whole of the X7-X11 allocation. With the interworking patterns there's not much you can do without replacing the lot now. The 59 plate Gemini's are finished aswell, they've done a good job to give credit to them though with the newer Enviros heading to Ashington. 

The 306/308 is the sort of route crying out for a ZEBRA bid with GNE's 307/309. I know some people will have opinions on that corridor but its got all the tickboxes. Multiple councils, a high pollution area (Coast Road), hits the ULEZ, high frequency, decent passenger numbers etc.

(Yesterday, 3:23 pm)Storx wrote The 35/X21/X22 are piss easy routes hence they've got a chunk of the battered Enviro 400's doing them without issue. The vast majority of the route is just pottering round Bedlington.

They're pretty much on the 777/X16 daily without issue anyway with the Pulsars on the 1/2 which probably says what's actually better.

I mean, the 35 doesn't go through Bedlington and the other two are barely there for more than 5 mins! I'd also point out that, compared to the previous pattern of the X21/22 interworking, the vehicles on there now either get 15 mins sit at Ashington each trip (on an X22) or a breather on a 35 between each X21. There's also no A189 blast on the X21 anymore.

I'd not read too much into the allocation of Pulsars/Streetlites, they're seen as single decks and allocated as such. That said, my understanding is that the Pulsar is viewed as a more capable vehicle, and the allocation of the Kelso X16s backs that up.

(11 Dec 2024, 5:37 pm)Ryland wrote I thought these weren't moving from redcar

Apparently they are I’ve been told

(11 hours ago)PH - BQA wrote I mean, the 35 doesn't go through Bedlington and the other two are barely there for more than 5 mins! I'd also point out that, compared to the previous pattern of the X21/22 interworking, the vehicles on there now either get 15 mins sit at Ashington each trip (on an X22) or a breather on a 35 between each X21. There's also no A189 blast on the X21 anymore.

I'd not read too much into the allocation of Pulsars/Streetlites, they're seen as single decks and allocated as such. That said, my understanding is that the Pulsar is viewed as a more capable vehicle, and the allocation of the Kelso X16s backs that up.

Yeah meant to say Ashington and Bedlington must've got distracted.

Aye fair on the Streetlite's though.

What would be nice to see but will never happen. But before the Evoras and Pulsars show up, They should have Temsas on all the different routes Stockton and Redcar operate for like the last couple of weeks as a like a final farewell to them. Would be cool to see a Temsa back serving the 5. Also would be nice to see one on a Short X12 or X66.