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Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage

Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage

RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 12:24 pm)Storx wrote I'm not sure that this is the issue with this mind and it's more linked to whoever thought closing Chester Le Street down was a good idea without any real consultation and/or a replacement depot. When you've got staff striking over the situation, I wouldn't be exactly surprised if those same staff took their money for moving and then bolted at the first opportunity to somewhere closer. It's not like there's not ample jobs around for mechanics.

The reputation for GoNorthEast isn't particularly great and the wage isn't anything special either regardless to their bs 'upto' nonsense. 

It's not a surprise the only other depot which has had this problem is Arriva's Blyth depot which had the exact same problem but that one kind of made more sense since they had to leave Jesmond since the lease was up and building a new depot for pretty much only the 51/52/53/54/55 was never going to be sustainable with Covid.

Credit to Arriva though they got a grip of that, mainly because of Ashington loaning a chunk of their fleet. It seems like there's now 3 depots with GoNorthEast going South, it'll be interesting to see how they deal with this as less buses means flogging what's left and that usually ends up going one way and that's more and more off the road. It's a pretty dire situation, much worse than the driver issues imo as you can just hire some temps in to deal with that (if you actually want to deal with it).

I agree engineering staffing needs sorting! But having your most capable modern double decks (although they're not perfect) being strangled by inefficient interworking patterns and poor route planning, whilst routes which need them most are struggling, is also poor planning on GNE's behalf.

Literally all GNE need to do to sort out the mess is:

- X32 2bph and omits Lobley Hill Est....improved links from Stanley to Gateshead
- X31 dropped
- X70 via Lobley Hill Est
- X30/X71 interwork (PVR 4) - low height
- X32 (1bph) / X70 interwork (PVR 4)
- X32 (1bph) / X45 / X73 interwork (PVR 9)

That reduces the low height PVR to 4x. Most of the E400MMC (10x in addition to 6352-55) can then move to  Riverside and that would cover a PVR of 12x (X10 & X21) with 2x spare + 6377.

All B5TL's + 6356-63 (inclusive of 2x spare) would cover the X32/X45/X70/X73 with X20 getting ex GAG stock until other B9TLs (ideally some of the Cobalts if 307/309 get soon to be ex Angel StreetDecks) become available from the Angel cascade chain.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 9:16 pm)L469 YVK wrote I agree engineering staffing needs sorting! But having your most capable modern double decks (although they're not perfect) being strangled by inefficient interworking patterns and poor route planning, whilst routes which need them most are struggling, is also poor planning on GNE's behalf.

Literally all GNE need to do to sort out the mess is:

- X32 2bph and omits Lobley Hill Est....improved links from Stanley to Gateshead
- X31 dropped
- X70 via Lobley Hill Est
- X30/X71 interwork (PVR 4) - low height
- X32 (1bph) / X70 interwork (PVR 4)
- X32 (1bph) / X45 / X73 interwork (PVR 9)

That reduces the low height PVR to 4x. Most of the E400MMC (10x in addition to 6352-55) can then move to  Riverside and that would cover a PVR of 12x (X10 & X21) with 2x spare + 6377.

All B5TL's + 6356-63 (inclusive of 2x spare) would cover the X32/X45/X70/X73 with X20 getting ex GAG stock until other B9TLs (ideally some of the Cobalts if 307/309 get soon to be ex Angel StreetDecks) become available from the Angel cascade chain.

I get what you're saying and not saying you're wrong. The problem is the Streetdeck's are absolutely useless and the B5TL's aren't much better. Both these should be on the likes of 51/52/93/94 doing town work. They're absolutely useless as an understatement. The problem is there's been no investment for years now.

If you want to get better buses for the X10, then investment for the 10/10A/10B/12 would be a better solution with something coming which can also do the X10. You could also make an option to throw another 8 in for the X21 aswell and have a shared pool for all the harder work there.

If you took the X21 option, the X21 Streetdecks going onto the 58 (and 21) until the electrics come which when they do turn up all the Streetdeck's going onto the 27/51/52/93/94 where they might actually be able to last the day which they're pretty much designed for.

GoNorthEast can't just keep going on without spending a penny, the fleet is aging badly and it's not like those routes I picked are basketcase routes they're flagship routes. 9 vehicles invested in 4 years is embarrassing and even those needed a boost from the tax payer. Arriva get slagged off about their fleet, and rightly so, but even they've invested more! Stagecoach is beating them this year never mind anything else and we're only 11 days into it.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 9:56 pm)Storx wrote I get what you're saying and not saying you're wrong. The problem is the Streetdeck's are absolutely useless and the B5TL's aren't much better. Both these should be on the likes of 51/52/93/94 doing town work. They're absolutely useless as an understatement. The problem is there's been no investment for years now.

If you want to get better buses for the X10, then investment for the 10/10A/10B/12 would be a better solution with something coming which can also do the X10. You could also make an option to throw another 8 in for the X21 aswell and have a shared pool for all the harder work there.

If you took the X21 option, the X21 Streetdecks going onto the 58 (and 21) until the electrics come which when they do turn up all the Streetdeck's going onto the 27/51/52/93/94 where they might actually be able to last the day which they're pretty much designed for.

GoNorthEast can't just keep going on without spending a penny, the fleet is aging badly and it's not like those routes I picked are basketcase routes they're flagship routes. 9 vehicles invested in 4 years is embarrassing and even those needed a boost from the tax payer. Arriva get slagged off about their fleet, and rightly so, but even they've invested more! Stagecoach is beating them this year never mind anything else and we're only 11 days into it.

Problem is....will GAG invest given franchising is around the corner?
RE: Washington Cancellations
I’d assume the electric Angels will be due this year and that will be the only new stock we see this year (aside some aforementioned Nat Ex coaching stock)

I doubt the situation is tenable to last long enough for franchising
Wistfully stuck in the 90s
RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 2:05 pm)Adrian wrote Isn't it the case that the central Service Delivery Centre was disbanded, in favour of each depot having its own operation? If so, it's still appears that they're either not empowered to make a decision or lack competence in that decision making.

I've noticed similar several times on the 84/85, on a 20 minute frequency, and they'll just shadow each other for the rest of the day. Despite it being one of the easiest routes to regulate due to its small circular nature.

(11 Jan 2025, 2:17 pm)deanmachine wrote SDC still runs the operations in terms late runnings/diversions/disruptions, the depots now are in charge of dealing with calls from breakdowns, at least that's the case at Sunderland.

(11 Jan 2025, 3:04 pm)Adrian wrote Interesting! Does that work better for breakdowns?

I'd say from a customer perspective, disruption information has gone backwards.

So I was heading from Shiremoor to Boldon via public transport today and this shows everything wrong with public transport - every journey had some sort of issue for customer experience....
I had to walk down from Park Ave to top end of Cobalt to get the 19 (I was surprised the bus was decently full), first issue I wanted to get the 9 to Boldon direct and change somewhere between Percy Main and North Shields. The 9 was due 4 minutes before the 19 at the bottom of Percy Main so I missed it. I thought I would go and wait at the transport hub for 15 minutes and I didn't mind that. However due to the tunnel having works on a weekend the 9 only extends from Jarrow once an hour so it was not worth me waiting. I changed my plan and stayed on the 19 to get the Ferry across instead. The 19 seems pretty well timed with the ferry however the 317 clearly isn't as I heard people complaining about this on the ferry as they had to wait for it to return. 
After I got off the Ferry it was so Icy and I could see most people including myself really struggling to walk as there was no grit down. When I got up to the road useful & 'requested' S1 passed me with no one on it. The destination just said South Shields on the front even though it just left the Interchange so basically if you didn't already know where it was going you wouldn't stop the bus.
When at the Interchange the next bus to Boldon was the 50 and I was looking forward to this journey as it was in time and I havent got the 50 in a while. As soon as we reversed and left the Interchange the warning beeping came on and was so loud from a passenger perspective never mind the driver. The bus in question 6303 and obviously Washington based. We got to Westoe at the KFC and we broke down. The driver tried 3 times to get the engine back on. She told all the passengers that she tried to carry on the journey for them as she had the warning lights pop on for a minute every so often so hoped it would be ok. She explained she had no working radio on the bus and was trying the feature on the ticket machine to contact the depot s she has needed coolant all afternoon and she was getting naff responses and told it was 'being reviewed' or some generic wording to that effect. She rang Washy Depot who said they would send out engineers when possible. Luckily passengers only had to wait 18 mins for the next one as it was on time.

Me on the other hand I had to meet someone in Cleadon (I jumped on the arriving 24 at the time) to take me to my destination as the 5 was cancelled and I was already later than I wanted to be. 

So in about 90 mins I had to 5 modes of transport and still default to a car after everything. This journey would've been no longer than 20 mins in a car even with the Tyne tunnel works.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 11:24 pm)Ambassador wrote I’d assume the electric Angels will be due this year and that will be the only new stock we see this year (aside some aforementioned Nat Ex coaching stock)

I doubt the situation is tenable to last long enough for franchising

Hopefully they don't come too soon! As much as I predict GNE will put StreetDecks on the 307/309 (given previous fuel saving attempts with the GKN mods back in 2014/15), I don't particularly want them. Can just imagine the rattles and bangs going over the speed bumps on Mullen Road and the engine sounding like it's being strangled between Station Road and Benfield Road.

Bet Arriva's finest will have a nice easy day sitting behind these when they're running late or if feeling a bit more adventurous, trying to overtake them on the Station Road - Benfield Road section of the Coast Road.....I have seen it happen in the past with an Arriva DB300 / B5LH (can't remember which) overtaking a GNE Versa on the 58!
RE: Washington Cancellations
(11 Jan 2025, 10:21 pm)L469 YVK wrote Problem is....will GAG invest given franchising is around the corner?

I think GAG would if a sensible business case was put together. They'd simply move the buses if the worst happens. 

I doubt Uncle Ben and Big Nige would want new buses on thier books though when they can get second hand tat with child seats, damp interiors and 1 cylinder!
RE: Washington Cancellations
(12 Jan 2025, 12:40 am)logidoodah wrote So I was heading from Shiremoor to Boldon via public transport today and this shows everything wrong with public transport - every journey had some sort of issue for customer experience....
I had to walk down from Park Ave to top end of Cobalt to get the 19 (I was surprised the bus was decently full), first issue I wanted to get the 9 to Boldon direct and change somewhere between Percy Main and North Shields. The 9 was due 4 minutes before the 19 at the bottom of Percy Main so I missed it. I thought I would go and wait at the transport hub for 15 minutes and I didn't mind that. However due to the tunnel having works on a weekend the 9 only extends from Jarrow once an hour so it was not worth me waiting. I changed my plan and stayed on the 19 to get the Ferry across instead. The 19 seems pretty well timed with the ferry however the 317 clearly isn't as I heard people complaining about this on the ferry as they had to wait for it to return. 
After I got off the Ferry it was so Icy and I could see most people including myself really struggling to walk as there was no grit down. When I got up to the road useful & 'requested' S1 passed me with no one on it. The destination just said South Shields on the front even though it just left the Interchange so basically if you didn't already know where it was going you wouldn't stop the bus.
When at the Interchange the next bus to Boldon was the 50 and I was looking forward to this journey as it was in time and I havent got the 50 in a while. As soon as we reversed and left the Interchange the warning beeping came on and was so loud from a passenger perspective never mind the driver. The bus in question 6303 and obviously Washington based. We got to Westoe at the KFC and we broke down. The driver tried 3 times to get the engine back on. She told all the passengers that she tried to carry on the journey for them as she had the warning lights pop on for a minute every so often so hoped it would be ok. She explained she had no working radio on the bus and was trying the feature on the ticket machine to contact the depot s she has needed coolant all afternoon and she was getting naff responses and told it was 'being reviewed' or some generic wording to that effect. She rang Washy Depot who said they would send out engineers when possible. Luckily passengers only had to wait 18 mins for the next one as it was on time.

Me on the other hand I had to meet someone in Cleadon (I jumped on the arriving 24 at the time) to take me to my destination as the 5 was cancelled and I was already later than I wanted to be. 

So in about 90 mins I had to 5 modes of transport and still default to a car after everything. This journey would've been no longer than 20 mins in a car even with the Tyne tunnel works.

Sounds a nightmare journey there. 

Btw just curious but would it not have been easier to get the Metro to Brockley Whins or East Boldon depending what end of Boldon it is? 

They cover most of it.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(12 Jan 2025, 8:22 am)Storx wrote Sounds a nightmare journey there. 

Btw just curious but would it not have been easier to get the Metro to Brockley Whins or East Boldon depending what end of Boldon it is? 

They cover most of it.

I was going to West Boldon so a 45 minute walk to Brocka or a 20 minute walk to East Boldon.  I hate getting the metro's - I've been on too many that have broken down and I also hate being crushed in as a sardine. This journey according to Google maps 19-Ferry-50 would have been about the same journey time anyways if not quicker as less walking. The biggest problem was the 50 as by this point I did not have time to get the 3 to Biddick and walk. The most annoying thing is there is no consideration for people crossing the tyne unless you are using the Ferry. Try to get to Jarrow and you have to travel 10 mins to North Shields and back on yourself through doubling the journey time. 

I am going to put in some service suggestions in the appropriate thread as I had a while to think about this yesterday.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(12 Jan 2025, 2:14 pm)logidoodah wrote I was going to West Boldon so a 45 minute walk to Brocka or a 20 minute walk to East Boldon.  I hate getting the metro's - I've been on too many that have broken down and I also hate being crushed in as a sardine. This journey according to Google maps 19-Ferry-50 would have been about the same journey time anyways if not quicker as less walking. The biggest problem was the 50 as by this point I did not have time to get the 3 to Biddick and walk. The most annoying thing is there is no consideration for people crossing the tyne unless you are using the Ferry. Try to get to Jarrow and you have to travel 10 mins to North Shields and back on yourself through doubling the journey time. 

I am going to put in some service suggestions in the appropriate thread as I had a while to think about this yesterday.

Aye that's fair must admit getting the tunnel is crap like and needs work since the doubling back issue via North Shields is a problem and if your actually in Shields going via the ferry is just as quick anyway. 

I know I've mentioned it a few times but I'd love to see the 9/19 merged together as a long Cramlington to Sunderland route. Obviously don't expect anyone to do it end to end but it would be a useful little route in between.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(12 Jan 2025, 2:14 pm)logidoodah wrote I was going to West Boldon so a 45 minute walk to Brocka or a 20 minute walk to East Boldon.  I hate getting the metro's - I've been on too many that have broken down and I also hate being crushed in as a sardine. This journey according to Google maps 19-Ferry-50 would have been about the same journey time anyways if not quicker as less walking. The biggest problem was the 50 as by this point I did not have time to get the 3 to Biddick and walk. The most annoying thing is there is no consideration for people crossing the tyne unless you are using the Ferry. Try to get to Jarrow and you have to travel 10 mins to North Shields and back on yourself through doubling the journey time. 

I am going to put in some service suggestions in the appropriate thread as I had a while to think about this yesterday.

The best option I can see for your journey is 64 minutes, which still isn't good when it's 15-20 minutes in the car. That's Shiremoor > North Shields on Metro, then the 9 from North Shields > West Boldon, whilst you may hate using Metro, it is part of the fastest way between the places you're travelling to!

If there was more bus integration into the Tyne Pedestrian Tunnel, and better bus connections at Metro stations such as Jarrow, East Boldon and Fellgate, then it would be a lot easier too.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(09 Jan 2025, 10:09 pm)Storx wrote It's a strange one mind but I do agree.

Btw there seems to be something very wrong with the Yutongs across the board, seems that the vast majority of them have been pulled tonight for some reason including all of them on the 53/54. Wonder if there's issues with the chargers? It wouldn't be a surprise as everything else seems to be broken lately. I was going to say cold weather but they're all out in Inverness so that puts that out the equation.

Cold weather affects all electric vehicles, as it impacts the speed of charging and the range when on the road.

Inverness are also experiencing issues with their Yutongs according to bustimes, with them not lasting a full day in service most days recently.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 9:32 am)omnicity4659 wrote Cold weather affects all electric vehicles, as it impacts the speed of charging and the range when on the road.

Inverness are also experiencing issues with their Yutongs according to bustimes, with them not lasting a full day in service most days recently.

 No arguments about the cold weather. 

I can't see any issues at Inverness though all the routes that are electric are electric from the start of the day to the end of the day? Not too many routes have late boards so them going off at 5/6pm there is just the usual end of the day rather than being pulled.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 10:07 am)Storx wrote  No arguments about the cold weather. 

I can't see any issues at Inverness though all the routes that are electric are electric from the start of the day to the end of the day? Not too many routes have late boards so them going off at 5/6pm there is just the usual end of the day rather than being pulled.

I guess that they're able to rotate electrics more easily, especially with having a larger fleet and dedicated charging spaces. Chargers at Riverside are out of use through the day to allow for staff parking so can't be used to "top up" buses for the late runs.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 9:35 am)Iamtheone8483748 wrote Consett cancellations getting even worse today, affecting basically all routes now with multiple 16/16As, 6's cancelled in a row.

Also seen that every single V1 and V2 is cancelled.

With a few Xlines cancelled. Delves doesn't have a service today. Back in the day, Northern would have prided itself on getting the 745 down there in all weathers!
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 9:35 am)Iamtheone8483748 wrote Consett cancellations getting even worse today, affecting basically all routes now with multiple 16/16As, 6's cancelled in a row.

Also seen that every single V1 and V2 is cancelled.

Its a joke

As normal, sod all on social media but its ok because its Restaurant week - you can get the bus.............. what bus?


Something needs to be done because its showing that Go Ahead don't care.


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Edit: they've removed the post about Restaurant week... haha
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 10:09 am)omnicity4659 wrote I guess that they're able to rotate electrics more easily, especially with having a larger fleet and dedicated charging spaces. Chargers at Riverside are out of use through the day to allow for staff parking so can't be used to "top up" buses for the late runs.

Aye possibly probably doesn't help there's not many late runs either so they can have one doing a short board one day getting the extra boost then do a long board the day after. 

Mind didn't realise that some are on the Nairn boards. Quite a trek for an electric vehicle.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 9:35 am)Iamtheone8483748 wrote Consett cancellations getting even worse today, affecting basically all routes now with multiple 16/16As, 6's cancelled in a row.

Also seen that every single V1 and V2 is cancelled.

Currently an hour's gap on the 16/16A in Durham, whilst two Durham Diamond E400s are dumped on the set down stands in Durham Bus Station with the drivers conversing between each other, likely will be going off to do a scholars service shortly.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 2:20 pm)Jimmi wrote Currently an hour's gap on the 16/16A in Durham, whilst two Durham Diamond E400s are dumped on the set down stands in Durham Bus Station with the drivers conversing between each other, likely will be going off to do a scholars service shortly.

Riverside impacted too - looks like there's only 14 21's out vs 18

Cancellations on the 57, 58 and 51/52
Wistfully stuck in the 90s
RE: Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage
Renamed the title for anyone wondering where the Washington thread has gone. Fits the thread better since it's not just Washington now.
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 2:20 pm)Jimmi wrote Currently an hour's gap on the 16/16A in Durham, whilst two Durham Diamond E400s are dumped on the set down stands in Durham Bus Station with the drivers conversing between each other, likely will be going off to do a scholars service shortly.

Those 2 E400s were joined by a third at roughly 15:50. In which the driver pulled in the back and came in front of the 100+ passengers waiting to shout that the 16:20 16 was cancelled alongside the next X5/15. This was after the 15:27, 15:35 (X5), 15:45 and 16:00 16/16As did not show up. Then of all three E400s went, presumably too late for a scholars service so I do wonder what they were doing there.
RE: Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage
I had the serious misfortune of having to use Go North East services today. Had I not already committed to going in to meet a colleague some time ago, I'd have turned around and abandoned the commute this morning.

It was that bad.

TLDR; I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than willingly commute on buses.

Morning
I arrived at the Galleries bus station about 07.45 via a short 84 from home. It arrived and dropped me at the Galleries promptly, so far so good. That's where that trip to fantasy land ended.

The Galleries bus station itself appears to be in some state of disrepair, and seems to get worse every time I use it nowadays. Stand D doors appear to be out of order, along with stand B and C. A queue for the 4/X1 stand northbound had formed, and was along most of the outside of Stand D - or at least so I thought. When I got outside myself, I could see it was actually spanning out onto the island bit that they use for layover, with another queue forming inside (those who hadn't read the notice about the doors being broken)

In the close to 40 minutes I was stood in the queue, I had overheard people who had been stood for close to 90 minutes, and that there had been several 4s and X1s missing, with those that did run going out full to capacity. I could see from the app myself that there were big gaps, along with two X1 decker casualties and a Citaro parked up.

A 4 to Heworth eventually pulled in and took around 25-30 passengers, but the queue had grown further since that point. 

There was a brief moment of hope, as a Newcastle bound X1 pulled in at the set-down stand. Presumably, we thought, taking the sensible option of doing the driver changeover away from a huge queue. Nope! Turns out that one was broken too, so the passengers were piled off to join the masses, forming a fourth queue! At this point, people in the queue(s) had resorted to arguing about where the front of the queue is.

A passing engineer tried to hurry past the queue to one of the casualties parked up. A couple of passengers tried to ask him what's happening to all of the buses, to which he flippantly remarked "nothing to do with me!" (or something along those lines). He was met with a synchronised handful of expletives, which I don't condone, but then again, there are better and more professional ways of handling conflict. 

Eventually, around 08.20, a Newcastle-bound X1 (that was actually in service! pulled in. The driver alighted passengers at Stand E, but then started boarding passengers from there, which isn't what the instruction says on the stand. This caused a bit more arguing in the queue, with people coming to the realisation that not everyone is going to get on board. To his credit, the driver was up and down the stairs and also out the cab at the doors, queue managing as best as possible to reach capacity.

I was a bit far back in the queue, so I went back inside to sit by Stand F. My new plan was to wait for the 08.28, knowing this would likely run, as I could see it was on time on the 85A. 

In the meantime, and one of the X1s that had become a casualty and offloaded passengers earlier, ended up being fixed and going back into service. As this had broken down on Stand F, I happened to see the destination being set and was let on to an empty bus with two others joining me. The 08.28 had since arrived, so we made our way off and into Newcastle from that point. Arrival into Newcastle some hour and 40 minutes after leaving the house.

Evening
Not wanting a repeat of this morning's chaos, and having spotted that there were gaps in the X1 and 56, I decided to leave the office about 14.50 once my meeting had finished. A walk down to Market Street, I intended to catch a 27 to Heworth followed by a 4. Although it's slightly longer, the queues are often a lot shorter than the X1 at Eldon Square.

The 27 pulled in promptly and we were away to Gateshead and then to Heworth. Few minutes late, but nothing to write home about. Another short wait at Heworth, and a 4 pulls in. At this point it felt like things were a bit too good to be true!

Sadly, that's where it ended. We got as far as the lay by on the Wardley slip road. Having dropped a passenger off there, it seemed that the parking brake of the bus was stuck on, and it sounded like there was no air pressure in the brakes. After a bit of button mashing, the driver announced that he had broken down, and people to wait for the next bus - which was only 5 minutes away, according to the paper timetable!

The next bus was actually about 8 minutes late at Heworth Golf Club, inbound to Heworth, so there was no chance it was appearing in 5 minutes. Regardless of this, most of the OAPs on board piled off, presumably to be first in line and in hope of gaining the cherished front row on the next bus.

After eventually contacting the depot on the phone, a bit more button mashing and restarting later (whilst most of the passengers stood out in the cold), the driver got the bus working again (hooray!) and everyone piled back on. At this point, we were about 18 minutes late, having left Heworth on time.

Knowing I'd miss the 2A, my plan was to get an (16.17) 84 from Concord instead. "Get that ridiculous thought out of your head!", said Mr. GNE! I could see getting into Concord that there was a big queue at Stand A, as it appears the 15.57 didn't run. To make matters worse, the 16.17, which was running 10 minutes late at this point, was being operated by our old faithful, the comedy bus (790). 

I opted for staying on the 4 to the Galleries and getting an 85 instead. I could see there were 3 bunched together. One I'd probably (and did!) just miss, followed by one 10 mins and 16 mins behind. 

The 85 on 10 mins appeared to be stuck on that for the duration and ended up being the on-time (16.48). The one on 16 mins appeared to vanish half way through my wait, but interestingly the one I boarded was still showing as 10 mins as we were pulling away. So much for the advice to check the app!

So after leaving the office at 14.50, and taking into account two 5 minute walks at either side of buses, I arrived back home at 17.00. Some 2 hours and 10 minutes after leaving the office.

In conclusion
I've spent the best part of 4 hours today doing what should be a simple journey in and out of Newcastle City Centre, to my office. People who don't use buses are often quick to suggest it's because of the flyover and Tyne Bridge work, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

The fact is that the corridor down Old Durham Road into Gateshead, through Gateshead Town Centre, on to and over the Tyne Bridge in to Newcastle, is arguably some of the best bus priority in the region. Once you're actually on a bus, it can almost glide through queues of cars because of the investment in putting this priority in place. Yes, there's still sets of lights to contend with, but this is massively better than before we had all this in place.

These delays are caused by sheer incompetence of the bus operator, with an attitude that comes across as if they don't give a toss. The Go North East network, over two decades now, but over the past few years has been cut to the absolute brink. The frequencies don't match the demands, and at peak times, they simply struggle to cope. This is exactly what the Arriva County Durham operation became under the same MD - and this is before you throw in their inability to get wheels turning on the road. 

In days gone by, you'd have a variety of routes, so you'd at least have a plan B if something goes wrong. You have none of that now.

GNE make a lot of schemes to grow their customer base, which of course we want to see, but they seem to have a complete disregard for customer retention. It's pointless winning new customers, if you're haemorrhaging them at the other end. 

I see myself as being the market that they should be looking to win back. I'm a hybrid worker with a local office base. I don't use a private car, and if I do go anywhere for myself, it tends to be by public transport. Genuinely, I'd see myself going into the office on a much more regular basis, if it didn't feel like such a disaster every time I did. Because of this, it's rare that I'm in the office more than 1 or 2 days a month. 

GNE need to do a lot more here. If they've got an issue with vehicles, then they need to be open and honest with people, and they can look to make other arrangements (where possible), rather than being left standing around in the cold. I had contacted GNE last week, suggesting they put a more widespread service disruption note out, given their issues are affecting most Washington depot services. This still hasn't happened, and they're instead pointing people to an unreliable app, despite me pointing out that people will only check the app when their bus hasn't turned up! Why is this so hard to post?

If I was running an operation that had issues as bad as the Washington depot had last week, I'd be demanding that there's staff on hand at key places (e.g. Washington, Concord and Newcastle), so customers had some help and information. Hiding away is probably the warmer option, but it's not the right option for your customers.

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RE: Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage
(13 Jan 2025, 6:18 pm)Adrian wrote I had the serious misfortune of having to use Go North East services today. Had I not already committed to going in to meet a colleague some time ago, I'd have turned around and abandoned the commute this morning.

It was that bad.

TLDR; I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than willingly commute on buses.

Morning
I arrived at the Galleries bus station about 07.45 via a short 84 from home. It arrived and dropped me at the Galleries promptly, so far so good. That's where that trip to fantasy land ended.

The Galleries bus station itself appears to be in some state of disrepair, and seems to get worse every time I use it nowadays. Stand D doors appear to be out of order, along with stand B and C. A queue for the 4/X1 stand northbound had formed, and was along most of the outside of Stand D - or at least so I thought. When I got outside myself, I could see it was actually spanning out onto the island bit that they use for layover, with another queue forming inside (those who hadn't read the notice about the doors being broken)

In the close to 40 minutes I was stood in the queue, I had overheard people who had been stood for close to 90 minutes, and that there had been several 4s and X1s missing, with those that did run going out full to capacity. I could see from the app myself that there were big gaps, along with two X1 decker casualties and a Citaro parked up.

A 4 to Heworth eventually pulled in and took around 25-30 passengers, but the queue had grown further since that point. 

There was a brief moment of hope, as a Newcastle bound X1 pulled in at the set-down stand. Presumably, we thought, taking the sensible option of doing the driver changeover away from a huge queue. Nope! Turns out that one was broken too, so the passengers were piled off to join the masses, forming a fourth queue! At this point, people in the queue(s) had resorted to arguing about where the front of the queue is.

A passing engineer tried to hurry past the queue to one of the casualties parked up. A couple of passengers tried to ask him what's happening to all of the buses, to which he flippantly remarked "nothing to do with me!" (or something along those lines). He was met with a synchronised handful of expletives, which I don't condone, but then again, there are better and more professional ways of handling conflict. 

Eventually, around 08.20, a Newcastle-bound X1 (that was actually in service! pulled in. The driver alighted passengers at Stand E, but then started boarding passengers from there, which isn't what the instruction says on the stand. This caused a bit more arguing in the queue, with people coming to the realisation that not everyone is going to get on board. To his credit, the driver was up and down the stairs and also out the cab at the doors, queue managing as best as possible to reach capacity.

I was a bit far back in the queue, so I went back inside to sit by Stand F. My new plan was to wait for the 08.28, knowing this would likely run, as I could see it was on time on the 85A. 

In the meantime, and one of the X1s that had become a casualty and offloaded passengers earlier, ended up being fixed and going back into service. As this had broken down on Stand F, I happened to see the destination being set and was let on to an empty bus with two others joining me. The 08.28 had since arrived, so we made our way off and into Newcastle from that point. Arrival into Newcastle some hour and 40 minutes after leaving the house.

Evening
Not wanting a repeat of this morning's chaos, and having spotted that there were gaps in the X1 and 56, I decided to leave the office about 14.50 once my meeting had finished. A walk down to Market Street, I intended to catch a 27 to Heworth followed by a 4. Although it's slightly longer, the queues are often a lot shorter than the X1 at Eldon Square.

The 27 pulled in promptly and we were away to Gateshead and then to Heworth. Few minutes late, but nothing to write home about. Another short wait at Heworth, and a 4 pulls in. At this point it felt like things were a bit too good to be true!

Sadly, that's where it ended. We got as far as the lay by on the Wardley slip road. Having dropped a passenger off there, it seemed that the parking brake of the bus was stuck on, and it sounded like there was no air pressure in the brakes. After a bit of button mashing, the driver announced that he had broken down, and people to wait for the next bus - which was only 5 minutes away, according to the paper timetable!

The next bus was actually about 8 minutes late at Heworth Golf Club, inbound to Heworth, so there was no chance it was appearing in 5 minutes. Regardless of this, most of the OAPs on board piled off, presumably to be first in line and in hope of gaining the cherished front row on the next bus.

After eventually contacting the depot on the phone, a bit more button mashing and restarting later (whilst most of the passengers stood out in the cold), the driver got the bus working again (hooray!) and everyone piled back on. At this point, we were about 18 minutes late, having left Heworth on time.

Knowing I'd miss the 2A, my plan was to get an (16.17) 84 from Concord instead. "Get that ridiculous thought out of your head!", said Mr. GNE! I could see getting into Concord that there was a big queue at Stand A, as it appears the 15.57 didn't run. To make matters worse, the 16.17, which was running 10 minutes late at this point, was being operated by our old faithful, the comedy bus (790). 

I opted for staying on the 4 to the Galleries and getting an 85 instead. I could see there were 3 bunched together. One I'd probably (and did!) just miss, followed by one 10 mins and 16 mins behind. 

The 85 on 10 mins appeared to be stuck on that for the duration and ended up being the on-time (16.48). The one on 16 mins appeared to vanish half way through my wait, but interestingly the one I boarded was still showing as 10 mins as we were pulling away. So much for the advice to check the app!

So after leaving the office at 14.50, and taking into account two 5 minute walks at either side of buses, I arrived back home at 17.00. Some 2 hours and 10 minutes after leaving the office.

In conclusion
I've spent the best part of 4 hours today doing what should be a simple journey in and out of Newcastle City Centre, to my office. People who don't use buses are often quick to suggest it's because of the flyover and Tyne Bridge work, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

The fact is that the corridor down Old Durham Road into Gateshead, through Gateshead Town Centre, on to and over the Tyne Bridge in to Newcastle, is arguably some of the best bus priority in the region. Once you're actually on a bus, it can almost glide through queues of cars because of the investment in putting this priority in place. Yes, there's still sets of lights to contend with, but this is massively better than before we had all this in place.

These delays are caused by sheer incompetence of the bus operator, with an attitude that comes across as if they don't give a toss. The Go North East network, over two decades now, but over the past few years has been cut to the absolute brink. The frequencies don't match the demands, and at peak times, they simply struggle to cope. This is exactly what the Arriva County Durham operation became under the same MD - and this is before you throw in their inability to get wheels turning on the road. 

In days gone by, you'd have a variety of routes, so you'd at least have a plan B if something goes wrong. You have none of that now.

GNE make a lot of schemes to grow their customer base, which of course we want to see, but they seem to have a complete disregard for customer retention. It's pointless winning new customers, if you're haemorrhaging them at the other end. 

I see myself as being the market that they should be looking to win back. I'm a hybrid worker with a local office base. I don't use a private car, and if I do go anywhere for myself, it tends to be by public transport. Genuinely, I'd see myself going into the office on a much more regular basis, if it didn't feel like such a disaster every time I did. Because of this, it's rare that I'm in the office more than 1 or 2 days a month. 

GNE need to do a lot more here. If they've got an issue with vehicles, then they need to be open and honest with people, and they can look to make other arrangements (where possible), rather than being left standing around in the cold. I had contacted GNE last week, suggesting they put a more widespread service disruption note out, given their issues are affecting most Washington depot services. This still hasn't happened, and they're instead pointing people to an unreliable app, despite me pointing out that people will only check the app when their bus hasn't turned up! Why is this so hard to post?

If I was running an operation that had issues as bad as the Washington depot had last week, I'd be demanding that there's staff on hand at key places (e.g. Washington, Concord and Newcastle), so customers had some help and information. Hiding away is probably the warmer option, but it's not the right option for your customers.

End.


It's so sad to read stuff like this. How do we expect people to use public transport when it's this poor? Things need to change, and fast!
RE: Washington Cancellations
(13 Jan 2025, 5:29 pm)Iamtheone8483748 wrote Those 2 E400s were joined by a third at roughly 15:50. In which the driver pulled in the back and came in front of the 100+ passengers waiting to shout that the 16:20 16 was cancelled alongside the next X5/15. This was after the 15:27, 15:35 (X5), 15:45 and 16:00 16/16As did not show up. Then of all three E400s went, presumably too late for a scholars service so I do wonder what they were doing there.

That just makes things even more of a slap to the face for those waiting and I also wonder what the deal was and ideally the traffic commissioner should be too. If that's just the size of the queue from the bus station, I dread to think how those waiting at all the other stops towards Fram managed to get on a bus if it was getting full from the bus station.

Been looking through bustimes tracking for various Consett services and virtually every single service had multiple trips cancelled, the Consett/Stanley to Newcastle routes were particularly badly hit, the morning and afternoon peaks being pretty much unusable on some routes - many buses were absent during these hours to perform school contracts.

The suggestion of using the app to check if your bus is running is also not without flaws, had various people report that the V1/V2 haven't been operating with all trips showing as cancelled on the app, but a look on bustimes suggests it started running from 0920 onwards, I imagine it will struggle to keep up with all these changes to boards, breakdowns etc.

It really does feel like they're chucking whatever they've got at everything, a Little Pinks Solo SR on the 50 for the morning & afternoon peaks really isn't ideal (no idea if the morning 50S ran, doesn't appear to track).

Feel for the drivers in all this, they must be getting put through absolute hell by the disgruntled passengers, how long till we see a return of the "be nice to drivers" posts on their socials I wonder?
RE: Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage
(14 Jan 2025, 7:05 am)Jack Gill wrote good luck to anyone getting the 16 today
https://ibb.co/t3Lp3Hp

Right now (07:29), there's just 3 buses on the 16, all of which are consecutive departures from Durham, the first two are currently playing a game of leapfrog as they're both running late, nothing currently heading towards Durham however, no 16A's running at time of posting either.

During my look at what was running yesterday, couldn't help but notice that many of the 16/16A and X5/X15's were running rather late, likely a result of the issues and needed to pick up more passengers on one journey as a result.
RE: Jan 2025 - GNE Engineering Shortage
Still nothing on social media about the cancellations and they've stopped posting on FB, last post was on the 8th January however they've replied to the post from the 8th January.



THERE'S NOTHING POST ON THE SITE ABOUT CANCELLATIONS THOUGH



#GoNorthNowhere


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