(09 Feb 2025, 9:52 am)ReDemPTiion wrote I think it’s a bit of a joke keeping 09 plate buses at Slatyford and losing 65 plates. Where are the 64/65 plates going? I’ll never understand why they made 24101-115 euro 6 they’re awful things to drive I can’t stand them. 

I’m going to assume once the electrics come the 241’s will be withdrawn but god knows when or if we’ll ever get the electric buses.

With regards to the double deckers it makes sense Hartlepool getting some as the 1 is very busy but they’ll more than likely head back to Newcastle.

Unless my maths is just wrong again. If Slatyford get all the Sunderland E300's and the Stockton MMC's then that's 27 vehicles in and there's only 17 E300's to go out so would assume there's something else to go out aswell.

Those MAN's would seem the obvious choice though.

The 64/65 Plate E300's would be the obvious Gas bus replacement since their slightly newer. Would be unfair to replace the gas buses with older vehicles and downgrade routes but who knows.

I’d be very surprised if any of the pointer darts & man E200s across the depots are still in service once all the movements have taken place. 60 new vehicles coming in to the fleet

(09 Feb 2025, 10:24 am)Storx wrote Unless my maths is just wrong again. If Slatyford get all the Sunderland E300's and the Stockton MMC's then that's 27 vehicles in and there's only 17 E300's to go out so would assume there's something else to go out aswell.

Those MAN's would seem the obvious choice though.

The 64/65 Plate E300's would be the obvious Gas bus replacement since their slightly newer. Would be unfair to replace the gas buses with older vehicles and downgrade routes but who knows.

I wouldn’t mind the 277’s from Sunderland and the 262’s coming in but yeah i would have thought the 241’s would be first out the door. I’ll never understand why Stockton bought them brand new and then just offloaded them to Slatyford when they got brand new buses and why stagecoach thought it’d be a good idea to give them new engines

Looking at most likely withdrawls id suggest

22341
21413
27506
27507
27509
27510
28001 - 28030
All pointer darts (12)
39708
39713
39715
39720
39721
39722
39726
39730

(09 Feb 2025, 5:41 pm)LVK 404L wrote Looking at most likely withdrawls id suggest

22341
21413
27506
27507
27509
27510
28001 - 28030
All pointer darts (12)
39708
39713
39715
39720
39721
39722
39726
39730

There's more than that to go. If I'm right there should be 84 vehicles going out from the electrics (64 electrics at Stockton and 20 electrics at Sunderland)

Personally I'd guess:
29x Gas Buses
31x MAN E300/ALX 300
8x MAN E200
12x Darts
1x E200 (26050)
4x E300 (27506/7/9/10)

Unless stuff is displaced elsewhere which see other divisions get some of the older stuff.

(09 Feb 2025, 6:28 pm)Storx wrote There's more than that to go. If I'm right there should be 84 vehicles going out from the electrics (64 electrics at Stockton and 20 electrics at Sunderland)

Personally I'd guess:
29x Gas Buses
31x MAN E300/ALX 300
8x MAN E200
12x Darts
1x E200 (26050)
4x E300 (27506/7/9/10)

Unless stuff is displaced elsewhere which see other divisions get some of the older stuff.

Are Stocktons new buses coming mkre or less as one batch over a short period of time (or like the new metro trains and coming over 2 years)

(09 Feb 2025, 9:41 am)Kuyoyo wrote Stockton's Yutongs (well, the ones intended for Slatyford but redirected here instead) should be in service by the end of the month - I understand engineering were wanting (and management have given the go-ahead to do so) at least two of them to be in service from tomorrow (Monday) but as of yet they have yet to have the baseplates, CCTV or audio equipment fitted.
I'm sure the plan for now is that 24101-15 remain at Slatyford with Stockton's MMCs and Sunderland's Euro6 E300s releasing the ex-Stockton E300s. As yet, there's no home for the remaining E300s at Stockton - all that seems certain from the Stockton fleet is that all the MANs and E300 27506/7/9/10 will be withdrawn and sold for scrap and the E200s 37314-6 will more than likely end up at Hartlepool to displace 3 of their Darts. The new home for the E400s at Stockton are also currently unknown - however, as I have hinted, Hartlepool have put in a request for an allocation of deckers to deal with the peak-time loadings on the 1s out of Middlesbrough on an afternoon which would then also help Stockton out if a problem crops up with their electric decker for the Sedgefield School Contract.

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Let's not forget Slatyford will have a large number of spare E200s once the 35 passes to Central Taxis - after all, they'll be no need for 12 E200s for a PVR of 6.

Surely those E200's get split between Hartlepool and South Shields to replace all of the Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2's.

Also Sunderland will need 3/4 Euro 6 Buses for the X24 once the Gas Buses are Withdrawn unless they are going to allocate the spare Yutong E12's.

(09 Feb 2025, 5:41 pm)LVK 404L wrote Looking at most likely withdrawls id suggest

22341
21413
27506
27507
27509
27510
28001 - 28030
All pointer darts (12)
39708
39713
39715
39720
39721
39722
39726
39730

21413?, do you not mean 22413

(09 Feb 2025, 7:15 pm)LVK 404L wrote Are Stocktons new buses coming mkre or less as one batch over a short period of time (or like the new metro trains and coming over 2 years)

Not too sure, sure someone said they're all due this year though.

(09 Feb 2025, 7:56 pm)Malarkey wrote Surely those E200's get split between Hartlepool and South Shields to replace all of the Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2's.

Also Sunderland will need 3/4 Euro 6 Buses for the X24 once the Gas Buses are Withdrawn unless they are going to allocate the spare Yutong E12's.

See if they interworked the X24/X24A/X34, how much would the PVR increase (if at all), normally thr X34 has a 400MMC on it

(09 Feb 2025, 7:56 pm)Malarkey wrote Surely those E200's get split between Hartlepool and South Shields to replace all of the Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2's.

Also Sunderland will need 3/4 Euro 6 Buses for the X24 once the Gas Buses are Withdrawn unless they are going to allocate the spare Yutong E12's.

I wouldn't be surprised if either Sunderland or South Shields get more E300's from somewhere in the future to replace all their E200's down to Hartlepool tbh.

36081 - 36094 are some of the oldest vehicles in the whole Stagecoach empire now and as far as I'm aware there's no midibuses due up here. They must be near the top of the chopping block to go in the future.

I'd assume South Shields' Darts will be replaced by them aswell.

(09 Feb 2025, 8:41 pm)V514DFT wrote See if they interworked the X24/X24A/X34, how much would the PVR increase (if at all), normally thr X34 has a 400MMC on it

The X34 is no longer operated by Sunderland depot, it did interwork while it was from there but has been back under shields operating for about 1 year. Sunderland do run it on Sundays and interwork with X24 on a pvr of 2/3

(09 Feb 2025, 7:56 pm)Malarkey wrote Surely those E200's get split between Hartlepool and South Shields to replace all of the Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2's.

Hartlepool's Darts will more than likely be replaced by 37314/5/6 from Stockton once they go fully electric. Plus, as mentioned, possibly Stockton's E400s as well but that will be a wait-and-see movement.

27727 is back out in service at Slatyford alongside 27735/6&7 with 27738 currently VOR. With the 271/2’s potentially leaving Slatyford in the coming weeks/months due to them being Euro 5 how many 277’s will be heading north if we are also getting the 262’s?

(11 Feb 2025, 3:19 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote 27727 is back out in service at Slatyford alongside 27735/6&7 with 27738 currently VOR. With the 271/2’s potentially leaving Slatyford in the coming weeks/months due to them being Euro 5 how many 277’s will be heading north if we are also getting the 262’s?

27738 is over the pits at sunderland depot

(11 Feb 2025, 3:25 pm)bob22222 wrote 27738 is over the pits at sunderland depot

Oh? Didn’t realise it had returned. That slipped by without notice.

(11 Feb 2025, 3:51 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Oh? Didn’t realise it had returned. That slipped by without notice.

Might just be back for repair? Does seem strange that 27728 was transferred back though. 36467 has transferred to Shields, and 27726 to Walkergate. Both so far have not replaced anything by the looks of it.

(11 Feb 2025, 4:41 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Might just be back for repair? Does seem strange that 27728 was transferred back though. 36467 has transferred to Shields, and 27726 to Walkergate. Both so far have not replaced anything by the looks of it.

Well I’m going to assume some of the 277’s will be heading to Newcastle soon enough as Slatyford’s 271** and 272**’s are heading away from Newcastle most likely to Sunderland and Stocktons 262**’s are heading to Slatyford but there’s not enough to fully cover the 17 27’s at Slatyford. Plus Walkergate have 5 so will probably get more 277’s from Sunderland. 

24101-24115 will remain at Slatyford due to Euro 6 engines until the electric buses turn up which is when they will probably go.

(08 Feb 2025, 2:50 am)Glen1974 wrote Are all E300 at Stockton depot going to stagecoach hartlepool depot when new yutongs come stagecoach Stockton depot?

Stagecoach management did tell the Hartlepool public transport forum that a majority of Stockton’s buses would replace the Hartlepool fleet once Stockton get the electrics.  However people are just assuming and guessing of what will happen and plans seem to change all the time so while it would be nice to get some E300 ( Am fairly sure they would be a way round any issues with the Pit, I believe the industrial unit  is now empty so depot could be expanded with a new engineering area ) it will remain to be seen what will happen.  I mean the buses are getting worse by the day.  36087 destination screen is broke to the point it just displaying random dots a few days ago with the driver having to tell passengers in the town centre what service it was, and quite a few have got damaged wheel arches now as well.

(11 Feb 2025, 10:01 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote Well I’m going to assume some of the 277’s will be heading to Newcastle soon enough as Slatyford’s 271** and 272**’s are heading away from Newcastle most likely to Sunderland and Stocktons 262**’s are heading to Slatyford but there’s not enough to fully cover the 17 27’s at Slatyford. Plus Walkergate have 5 so will probably get more 277’s from Sunderland. 

24101-24115 will remain at Slatyford due to Euro 6 engines until the electric buses turn up which is when they will probably go.

If 24101-24115 are staying, I wonder if some of the 64/65 Plate Enviro 300's might displace some E200's out from either Sunderland or South Shields down to Hartlepool.

In theory, unless some leave the region, you've got:
84x Yutongs In

Out:
29x Gas
17x MAN's at Stockton (Assume)
4x Elderly E300's at Stockton
12x Darts
8x MAN E200's
Total 68

Leaves 16 buses still to go which are unaccounted for and if it's not the MAN's at Slatyford then the 59 Plate E200's are pretty much next on the chopping block which there just happens to be 16 of if you include the 08 plate one. There's also conveniently 17 E200's at Sunderland and conveniently the E300's plus extra Yutongs over the 11 Plates all adds up aswell, believe it's 48 if my maths are right including the ones at Walkergate. That extra E200, and the 3 E200's at Stockton seeing off the Darts at Hartlepool. 

PS. I've well overthought this but it all works out.

I seen a photo of new yutong buses with new yutong stagecoach electric bus in background I if it new yutongs for stagecoach Stockton depot I think? For Delivery.

(12 Feb 2025, 12:03 am)Storx wrote If 24101-24115 are staying, I wonder if some of the 64/65 Plate Enviro 300's might displace some E200's out from either Sunderland or South Shields down to Hartlepool.

In theory, unless some leave the region, you've got:
84x Yutongs In

Out:
29x Gas
17x MAN's at Stockton (Assume)
4x Elderly E300's at Stockton
12x Darts
8x MAN E200's
Total 68

Leaves 16 buses still to go which are unaccounted for and if it's not the MAN's at Slatyford then the 59 Plate E200's are pretty much next on the chopping block which there just happens to be 16 of if you include the 08 plate one. There's also conveniently 17 E200's at Sunderland and conveniently the E300's plus extra Yutongs over the 11 Plates all adds up aswell, believe it's 48 if my maths are right including the ones at Walkergate. That extra E200, and the 3 E200's at Stockton seeing off the Darts at Hartlepool. 

PS. I've well overthought this but it all works out.

Think it will be pretty impossible to work out much more definitively until it's done - I am pretty much lost off already with what the recent Scottish E300s replaced let alone the electrics into the mix.  I think 27715-18 replaced the Cambridge loans which in turn replaced the open toppers but they were always and additional allocation over the summer so not sure why they needed replacing anyway.  As for 27615, 27720, 27770-72 and whatever the most recent ones are I'm not sure what if anything they displaced.

Likewise the E400MMCs at Slaty - not sure 8 E400 have been displaced yet and they've been in service a month already and knock on effect 5 of the hybrids they were due to replace remain in use.  So all of that needs to shake down as well as the cascades from the electrics (not sure 27726/27/35 replaced anything... or indeed what if anything 27736/38 replaced last year for that matter).

(12 Feb 2025, 12:23 am)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Think it will be pretty impossible to work out much more definitively until it's done - I am pretty much lost off already with what the recent Scottish E300s replaced let alone the electrics into the mix.  I think 27715-18 replaced the Cambridge loans which in turn replaced the open toppers but they were always and additional allocation over the summer so not sure why they needed replacing anyway.  As for 27615, 27720, 27770-72 and whatever the most recent ones are I'm not sure what if anything they displaced.

Likewise the E400MMCs at Slaty - not sure 8 E400 have been displaced yet and they've been in service a month already and knock on effect 5 of the hybrids they were due to replace remain in use.  So all of that needs to shake down as well as the cascades from the electrics (not sure 27726/27/35 replaced anything... or indeed what if anything 27736/38 replaced last year for that matter).

Aye no arguments there, can't disagree tbh.

Re the 715-18/cambridge/OT;
Last year the open tops were basically part of the normal allocation as we were so short on buses, indeed two were listed on the fleetcard rather than just as reserve, hence they were still in service in October. This is why the four Cambridge ones came up on loan until a permanent replacement could be found.

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(12 Feb 2025, 12:03 am)Storx wrote If 24101-24115 are staying, I wonder if some of the 64/65 Plate Enviro 300's might displace some E200's out from either Sunderland or South Shields down to Hartlepool.

In theory, unless some leave the region, you've got:
84x Yutongs In

Out:
29x Gas
17x MAN's at Stockton (Assume)
4x Elderly E300's at Stockton
12x Darts
8x MAN E200's
Total 68

Leaves 16 buses still to go which are unaccounted for and if it's not the MAN's at Slatyford then the 59 Plate E200's are pretty much next on the chopping block which there just happens to be 16 of if you include the 08 plate one. There's also conveniently 17 E200's at Sunderland and conveniently the E300's plus extra Yutongs over the 11 Plates all adds up aswell, believe it's 48 if my maths are right including the ones at Walkergate. That extra E200, and the 3 E200's at Stockton seeing off the Darts at Hartlepool. 

PS. I've well overthought this but it all works out.

Sunderland need 200s for the 8, 10/11 and 23. You can get a full size bus round them all but it's far from ideal, especially the 8 and 10.

(12 Feb 2025, 1:58 pm)F114TML wrote Re the 715-18/cambridge/OT;
Last year the open tops were basically part of the normal allocation as we were so short on buses, indeed two were listed on the fleetcard rather than just as reserve, hence they were still in service in October. This is why the four Cambridge ones came up on loan until a permanent replacement could be found.

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Sunderland need 200s for the 8, 10/11 and 23. You can get a full size bus round them all but it's far from ideal, especially the 8 and 10.

There does seem to have been a lot of E300s allocated to the 10/11s recently

(12 Feb 2025, 1:58 pm)F114TML wrote Re the 715-18/cambridge/OT;
Last year the open tops were basically part of the normal allocation as we were so short on buses, indeed two were listed on the fleetcard rather than just as reserve, hence they were still in service in October. This is why the four Cambridge ones came up on loan until a permanent replacement could be found.

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Thanks - have the open toppers gone or are they still on site at Wheatsheaf? Presumably they definitely won't be resurrected again even if they do still exist?  Wonder what will do the Late Shows etc this year - though I note no reference to open toppers, just "free buses"; I'm sure it always highlight open top previously.

Any idea what 27720/70-72 replaced?  On paper even if not in reality?  Wondering if it was any of 27726/27/36/38 though not sure the timing coincides for them.

27728 stack livery is back at Slatyford. Genuinely don’t know which ones are permanent or just loans at this point.

(12 Feb 2025, 5:17 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Thanks - have the open toppers gone or are they still on site at Wheatsheaf? Presumably they definitely won't be resurrected again even if they do still exist?  Wonder what will do the Late Shows etc this year - though I note no reference to open toppers, just "free buses"; I'm sure it always highlight open top previously.

Any idea what 27720/70-72 replaced?  On paper even if not in reality?  Wondering if it was any of 27726/27/36/38 though not sure the timing coincides for them.

Are the open toppers not in winter storage in the top depot at South Shields? They were there last time I looked in.

I'm not someone who normally does posts like this but whoever is driving the E6 out of Sunderland right now and has just drove past around 50 people I hope you get a warning at least. Awful awful crack for all the people waiting.

Are there any more fleet changes at Walkergate depot? 37312 still in use there for some reason. Not ideal.

Are the last 5 of the Enviro 400H sticking around in Walkergate for now?