(12 Apr 2025, 11:44 am)BusEnthusiast.com wrote This is a very unpopular opinion and some people might disagree but I would feel like there should be an express on 39/40 as it is practically the most busiest bus service in the whole city and the express should at least operate during peak hours between chapel house/dumpling hall west road city centre shields road welbeck road and the terminuses(wallsend/walker).I know this is the wrong thread but i decided to say it here.Opinions are always welcome

I mean the best you could hope for would be a limited stop version, but a full express, it just wouldn't work unfortunately, like the peak 22X exists because of it serving 2 business parks and Central Station, not sure really on what arguement could be brought for an X39/X40

(12 Apr 2025, 2:00 pm)V514DFT wrote I mean the best you could hope for would be a limited stop version, but a full express, it just wouldn't work unfortunately, like the peak 22X exists because of it serving 2 business parks and Central Station, not sure really on what arguement could be brought for an X39/X40

Oh yes i meant limited stop not full express sorry that was my bad didnt communicate well enough and tbf peak 39/40 is arguably the worst always so bad and having a limited stop service would actually be alright 2 or 3 in the morning and 2 or 3 in the afternoon.if u don’t agree pls share ur opinion?

(12 Apr 2025, 11:44 am)BusEnthusiast.com wrote This is a very unpopular opinion and some people might disagree but I would feel like there should be an express on 39/40 as it is practically the most busiest bus service in the whole city and the express should at least operate during peak hours between chapel house/dumpling hall west road city centre shields road welbeck road and the terminuses(wallsend/walker).I know this is the wrong thread but i decided to say it here.Opinions are always welcome

The X82 essentially performs that role in the Outer West. Admittedly there’s nothing like that in the east, though.

(12 Apr 2025, 3:51 pm)BusEnthusiast.com wrote Oh yes i meant limited stop not full express sorry that was my bad didnt communicate well enough and tbf peak 39/40 is arguably the worst always so bad and having a limited stop service would actually be alright 2 or 3 in the morning and 2 or 3 in the afternoon.if u don’t agree pls share ur opinion?

See I'd probably do it with the 62/63 instead personally and do it all day aswell.

Do something like 

61: Every 10 Minutes, Chapel House to Four Lane Ends via Fenham, stopping at all stops.
62: Every 20 Minutes, West Walbottle to Killingworth only, current route but limited stop between the A1 and Four Lane Ends to speed the longer journeys up
63: Every 20 Minutes, Current route, similar limited stops as above. Go direct via Motorway rather than via Fenham
X63: Peak Time Only
71: Extended back to Throckley
72: Back to doing the loop rather than Chapel House

Limited stops being something like:
St James' Retail Park - Stamfordham Way - Cowgate - BBC TV Centre - St James - All Stops - Northumbria Business School - Shields Road (All Stops) - Simonside Terrace - High Heaton (Sainsbury's) - Manor Place

Even better if you could find a way for the 61 to completely replace the 71/72/87, as they're struggling a bit, but the Outer West is way out my area so I'd be blagging as an understatement, there's no doubt a way to do it though.

(12 Apr 2025, 7:01 pm)Storx wrote See I'd probably do it with the 62/63 instead personally and do it all day aswell.

Do something like 

61: Every 10 Minutes, Chapel House to Four Lane Ends via Fenham, stopping at all stops.
62: Every 20 Minutes, West Walbottle to Killingworth only, current route but limited stop between the A1 and Four Lane Ends to speed the longer journeys up
63: Every 20 Minutes, Current route, similar limited stops as above. Go direct via Motorway rather than via Fenham
X63: Peak Time Only
71: Extended back to Throckley
72: Back to doing the loop rather than Chapel House

Limited stops being something like:
St James' Retail Park - Stamfordham Way - Cowgate - BBC TV Centre - St James - All Stops - Northumbria Business School - Shields Road (All Stops) - Simonside Terrace - High Heaton (Sainsbury's) - Manor Place

Even better if you could find a way for the 61 to completely replace the 71/72/87, as they're struggling a bit, but the Outer West is way out my area so I'd be blagging as an understatement, there's no doubt a way to do it though.

The way I’d do it is as follows::

61: Chapel House - Hillhead - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Heaton - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 72

(Every 20 minutes )

62 as now (every 20)

63 as now except via Cowgate  ( every 20)

64 : Newbiggin Hall - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 87 and every 20 minutes 

This way you’ve increased the core of 62/63 in frequency and ammended the 72/87 to hopefully improve performance. You’ve also got further options by making the 62/63 direct from Killingworth - Four Lane Ends and allowing 61/64 to cover those parts as was the case in mid 90s 61 went to Longbenton 64 to Forest Hall

(13 Apr 2025, 10:00 am)Coastliner700 wrote The way I’d do it is as follows::

61: Chapel House - Hillhead - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Heaton - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 72

(Every 20 minutes )

62 as now (every 20)

63 as now except via Cowgate  ( every 20)

64 : Newbiggin Hall - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 87 and every 20 minutes 

This way you’ve increased the core of 62/63 in frequency and ammended the 72/87 to hopefully improve performance. You’ve also got further options by making the 62/63 direct from Killingworth - Four Lane Ends and allowing 61/64 to cover those parts as was the case in mid 90s 61 went to Longbenton 64 to Forest Hall

Thats always thought they went wrong, they should of kept the 61 and 64, they only really needed to get rid of the 62A,62B,and 64A, it also argue a case for sending one of them via Central, yeah Forest Hall has a service to Central again in the form of the 38, but Killingworth doesn't

(13 Apr 2025, 10:09 am)V514DFT wrote Thats always thought they went wrong, they should of kept the 61 and 64, they only really needed to get rid of the 62A,62B,and 64A, it also argue a case for sending one of them via Central, yeah Forest Hall has a service to Central again in the form of the 38, but Killingworth doesn't

Killingworth has the 37. But you could even send 61/64 to Killingworth as well keeping the 62/63 direct. That would sort so many issues out.

(13 Apr 2025, 10:00 am)Coastliner700 wrote The way I’d do it is as follows::

61: Chapel House - Hillhead - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Heaton - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 72

(Every 20 minutes )

62 as now (every 20)

63 as now except via Cowgate  ( every 20)

64 : Newbiggin Hall - Westerhope - Fenham - City Centre - Shields Road - Four Lane Ends

Replacing 87 and every 20 minutes 

This way you’ve increased the core of 62/63 in frequency and ammended the 72/87 to hopefully improve performance. You’ve also got further options by making the 62/63 direct from Killingworth - Four Lane Ends and allowing 61/64 to cover those parts as was the case in mid 90s 61 went to Longbenton 64 to Forest Hall

Yeah must admit I was thinking something like that but didn't want to suggest it as I thought someone might get the knives out as I removed the West Denton to Fenham link (unsure how well it's used though). 

Mind that 63/64 is well setup for the future and could easily join each other when they bother to finish off the link for the new housing estates around Callerton. They pretty much terminate at both ends.

I was also thinking of binning the 87 route entirely, is it actually needed? The 6/7 do most of it or is there such a massive demand from Stamfordham Road to Newbiggin Hall? It's all it does really.

Could you maybe look at something totally different and do something maybe like - https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01288...50!1m0!3e0 which would open new links and take over the M71 subsidy. Whether the demand is there, who knows but there's arguably 2 destinations at both ends where people might want to be.

(12 Apr 2025, 7:01 pm)Storx wrote See I'd probably do it with the 62/63 instead personally and do it all day aswell.

Do something like 

61: Every 10 Minutes, Chapel House to Four Lane Ends via Fenham, stopping at all stops.
62: Every 20 Minutes, West Walbottle to Killingworth only, current route but limited stop between the A1 and Four Lane Ends to speed the longer journeys up
63: Every 20 Minutes, Current route, similar limited stops as above. Go direct via Motorway rather than via Fenham
X63: Peak Time Only
71: Extended back to Throckley
72: Back to doing the loop rather than Chapel House

Limited stops being something like:
St James' Retail Park - Stamfordham Way - Cowgate - BBC TV Centre - St James - All Stops - Northumbria Business School - Shields Road (All Stops) - Simonside Terrace - High Heaton (Sainsbury's) - Manor Place

Even better if you could find a way for the 61 to completely replace the 71/72/87, as they're struggling a bit, but the Outer West is way out my area so I'd be blagging as an understatement, there's no doubt a way to do it though.

The 62 replaced the 71 to Throckley to give the outer west a link to West Denton shops. This was campaigned for by local residents and going back is not something that would be accepted, particularly now Aldi is moving to the old Go Outdoors unit on West Denton Way.

(13 Apr 2025, 12:40 pm)markydh wrote The 62 replaced the 71 to Throckley to give the outer west a link to West Denton shops. This was campaigned for by local residents and going back is not something that would be accepted, particularly now Aldi is moving to the old Go Outdoors unit on West Denton Way.

Yeah remember that now actually, fair point there, no doubt there's a lot you could do with the 6/7/62/63/71/72/87 to move some of the buses out the sticks and onto the core but it's not really my area tbf. 

You could probably drop the 62/63 down to every 30 minutes each from Four Lane Ends to Killingworth aswell now the 37/38 is heading to the Killingworth area, whenever I see them they're pretty much dead. Seems very overbussed. Is there really that much demand from Byker to Killingworth and the bits in between as no-one sane is heading to Newcastle in that direction, as every part of the route has a faster bus / Metro (37/38/355/X7/X8/X63) depending where you are? Obviously that would be rightfully be very unpopular though.

The issues in the outer west are that it’s a bit awkward to design a public transport network that doesn’t have lots of different bus numbers. Estates were never designed with public transport in mind and are mostly in/out via the same road. Stagecoach are pretty conservative when it comes to network reviews, so I don’t think they’ve ever really done an assessment of travel patterns in Newcastle and whether or not certain end to end routes make sense in the 2020s, always keeping in mind that the idea is to encourage people to use public transport, not a creeping managed decline. To be honest I don’t think anything major will change until about five years after a franchising scheme has been introduced because that’s when enough data will have been collected across all the services currently operated by all the various operators and informed decisions can be made. So, for example, who is to say that a route currently operated by Stagecoach in west Newcastle can’t be merged with a route currently run by Arriva up the Great North Road?

(13 Apr 2025, 10:25 am)Coastliner700 wrote Killingworth has the 37. But you could even send 61/64 to Killingworth as well keeping the 62/63 direct. That would sort so many issues out.

Thats only true in part, East Bailey doesn't, only West Bailey

(13 Apr 2025, 1:20 pm)Storx wrote Yeah remember that now actually, fair point there, no doubt there's a lot you could do with the 6/7/62/63/71/72/87 to move some of the buses out the sticks and onto the core but it's not really my area tbf. 

You could probably drop the 62/63 down to every 30 minutes each from Four Lane Ends to Killingworth aswell now the 37/38 is heading to the Killingworth area, whenever I see them they're pretty much dead. Seems very overbussed. Is there really that much demand from Byker to Killingworth and the bits in between as no-one sane is heading to Newcastle in that direction, as every part of the route has a faster bus / Metro (37/38/355/X7/X8/X63) depending where you are? Obviously that would be rightfully be very unpopular though.

62/63 go every 30 from Four Lane Ends
and combine it with the 37/38, I'd then extend the 38 to Killingworth via East Bailey, that then gives both Baileys a service to Central, then return route it would turn right onto Forest Hall Road, not doing that bonkers routing the 356 does

Has Stagecoach turned the WIFI on again?

I'm on 27833 and its connected to the WIFI.

Stagecoach North East 35231
Now gone for Scrap Left Hartlepool depot this morning

I’ve worked out that there are 20 single deckers at Walkergate now according to bus times any reason for this ?