(Yesterday, 10:14 pm)Storx wrote Guessing it was a typo with the Seghill - Seaton Delaval - Backworth, impossible that unless you ran it along the back road by Fenwick Pit but that wouldn't be fun.

Btw if you want to create the links there for the 344, you'd be better just extending the 57/57A back to North Shields like it did for years (the 57A Sunday boards is pretty much the route bar it ran the 306 route from Billy Mill to North Shields).

I can't comment on most of North Tyneside but the main missing links in Seaton Valley which people moan about are, probably in priority:

Seaton Delaval / Seghill / New Hartley to Killingworth
New Hartley to Cramlington
Seaton Delaval / Seghill to NT Hospital

I believe Marsden / Tynemouth to NT Hospital is quite a big one though since every bus in the area duplicates the Metro pretty much.

The problem with your 19/20 idea is that i assume it will take about 90 mins end-to-end. Whereas my 344 takes 53 mins. If you wanted tynemouth serving just add a 345 aswell (That was in my draft idea though it ran via beach road & the broadway).

(Yesterday, 11:10 pm)Storx wrote Not going to lie, I'd be tempted to go further and mix up the 19, 58, 335, 342 and 353 (partnership) and do something like:


318: Wallsend - East Hartford via Forest Hall, Killingworth, Dudley
319: Wallsend - Cramlington via Benton ASDA, Killingworth, Seghill, Seaton Delaval and Northumbria Hospital
358: North Shields - Cramlington via Cobalt, Shiremoor, Seaton Delaval, New Hartley and Northumbria Hospital
359: North Shields - Kingston Park via Cobalt, Killingworth, Seaton Burn, Hazelrigg
335: Killingworth - Hadrian Park via Quorum, Longbenton, Forest Hall, Benton ASDA
353: Curtailed Short Killingworth - North Shields

It creates some faster links for communities for where people want to people and removes all the ridiculous doubling back at Benton ASDA which is annoying for everyone.

Other than Seghill to Northumberland Park / Cobalt (but they gain Killingworth) there's not really any lost links but it does open up a lot of important links like:

• Forest Hall to Quorum
  
• Wallsend to Cramlington
  
• Lots of places to Northumbria Hospital
  
• East Hartford to anywhere
  
• Cobalt to the Seaton Burn area
  
• New Hartley to Cramlington
  
• Seaton Delaval / Seghill to Killingworth and Wallsend
  

I'd imagine it'd be quite popular for most areas, can't really see major negatives personally. Other than the 353, they're all subsidised anyway so easily doable.

i'm going to add a crazy one in here, what if the 309 became a 15 minute loop and was merged with 355.

How about changing the 340 341

340 341 Hadrian Park Circular

340 Wallsend up Station Road around Wiltshire Drive then left onto Station Road up to Whitley Road (Range) turn right to Benton Asda swing a left to benton Industrial estate creating a bus stop link for Palmersville Metro then into Holystone Estate up to Northumberland Park Metro through Cobalt straight down to silverlink (mcd) then onto Coast road and back off to go round the loop at Hadrian Park Battlehill Drive High Farm Mullen Road around Wiltshire Drive back to Wallsend

341 Wallsend up to Wiltshire Drive Loop then straight ahead onto Mullen road and do the route in an anti clockwise direction.

350 351 can be scrapped with links to Newcastle via Metro or changing at Station Road or Wallsend new links to Northumberland Park Metro Asda still being served by the service new links to Cobalt and shops. Wiltshire Drive gets a link to Silverlink and cinema

(5 hours ago)DaveFromUpNorth wrote How about changing the 340 341

340 341 Hadrian Park Circular

340 Wallsend up Station Road around Wiltshire Drive then left onto Station Road up to Whitley Road (Range) turn right to Benton Asda swing a left to benton Industrial estate creating a bus stop link for Palmersville Metro then into Holystone Estate up to Northumberland Park Metro  through Cobalt straight down to silverlink  (mcd) then onto Coast road and back off  to go round the loop at Hadrian Park Battlehill Drive  High Farm Mullen Road around Wiltshire Drive back to Wallsend

341 Wallsend up to Wiltshire Drive Loop then straight ahead  onto Mullen road  and do the route in an anti clockwise direction.

350 351 can be scrapped with links to Newcastle via Metro or changing at Station Road or Wallsend  new links to Northumberland Park Metro Asda still being served by the service  new links to Cobalt and shops. Wiltshire Drive gets a link to Silverlink and cinema

Aye, could do. To be honest, the whole area just needs someone to start again and do the whole lot again bar the Coast Road services.

How you do it, and what you do there's probably lots of arguments but they need to remove the buses which are terminating in the middle of no-where like the 18, 335, 340, 341, 355; services which just avoid everything like the 19 and 319; services which are just way too long with no benefits for being long like the 342; and the W2 - why does this exist?. Not to mention most are too infrequent, being hourly like the 353.

Other than the 57, 57A and 317, most the local services are a bit crap really, the doubling back at ASDA just being a prime example of it. There's a reason why most of them are being subsidised imo and the lack of Metro integration is a serious problem aswell. 

It would help if they actually asked where people want to go aswell, as I've never been asked.

(3 hours ago)Storx wrote Aye, could do. To be honest, the whole area just needs someone to start again and do the whole lot again bar the Coast Road services.

How you do it, and what you do there's probably lots of arguments but they need to remove the buses which are terminating in the middle of no-where like the 18, 335, 340, 341, 355, services which just avoid everything like the 19 and 319, services which are just way too long with no benefits for being long like the 342 and the W2 - why does this exist?. Not to mention most are too infrequent, being hourly like the 353.

Other than the 57, 57A and 317, most the local services are a bit crap really, the doubling back at ASDA just being a prime example of it. There's a reason why most of them are being subsidised imo.

It would help if they actually asked where people want to go aswell, as I've never been asked.

I am in favour of the odd long and windy routes which goes everywhere possible  for example 653  it hits the areas where a subsides bus service is needed but it hits all the spots however what I do think Nexus should do is offer a "transfare" ticket so for example GCT are all Nexus subsided routes basically but send them all over the place but anyone who boards the bus and gets a transfare ticket for no additional cost may I add  can then board another bus service which is faster (or metro) to continue the journey 

For example 350 351 current services is changed to  terminate at Wallsend(this gives that route an extra 30 mins approx to go elsewhere)  those passengers wishing to go to town could change for the metro or coast road bus to continue the journey on this Nexus transfare ticket  same as boarding a commercial bus like 306 309 etc.. they ask for a Nexus transfare ticket.  The reason why to have this ticket is so you can map where people are changing and boarding etc

(3 hours ago)DaveFromUpNorth wrote I am in favour of the odd long and windy routes which goes everywhere possible  for example 653  it hits the areas where a subsides bus service is needed but it hits all the spots however what I do think Nexus should do is offer a "transfare" ticket so for example GCT are all Nexus subsided routes basically but send them all over the place but anyone who boards the bus and gets a transfare ticket for no additional cost may I add  can then board another bus service which is faster (or metro) to continue the journey 

For example 350 351 current services is changed to  terminate at Wallsend(this gives that route an extra 30 mins approx to go elsewhere)  those passengers wishing to go to town could change for the metro or coast road bus to continue the journey on this Nexus transfare ticket  same as boarding a commercial bus like 306 309 etc.. they ask for a Nexus transfare ticket.  The reason why to have this ticket is so you can map where people are changing and boarding etc

Not going to lie, I agree with the odd long route but I kinda think there should be two 'long' routes from Northumberland Park to Newcastle, one via the Coast Road and one via ASDA something like:


With Northumberland Park acting as the hub if you want to go further - I'd even go as far as making both every 20 minutes.

Once you've done that you can utilise the Coast Road services to serve the further out areas with the 355 withdrawn since the 38 and the Orange route cover the corridor.

Arguably all the Red X's are places where people might want to go for shopping or employment and stuff like Silverlink is inaccessible from somewhere like Mullen Road currently.

The other half of the 351, also being culled at Northumberland Park - with people changing onto the train or Metro to Newcastle.