(18 Apr 2016, 8:38 pm)Jamie M wrote Not sure why everyone hates Presidents/b7tls, I actually rather like them. I find the tridents (loyne) leave a horrible smell, and are not so much quicker in many cases.

Styling and comfort wise, they are very much ahead of their time. Even the staircases are a lot more accessible than on E400s and some of the Geminis - nice and straight with easy to grab rails, which makes it possible for those of us who tend to be a bit unsteady to use the upper deck.

They've really had it, though. Some of them are utterly defeated by hills, which is a bit unfortunate in this part of the country!

I'm not so keen on the lolynes - not the same comfort levels at all and, yes, some of them are incredibly musty.