(19 Nov 2016, 10:35 pm)MJimmi wrote I try to book VTEC or failing that CrossCountry if I'm heading to York or Leeds but sometimes it does come down to whichever journey is most convenient and cheapest.

I've have stood on TPE services a few times, sometimes through choice though. I do wish TPE had trains with greater capacity than the 185's. Must say, apart from being a bit small, I do actually quite like the 185's.

Last time I used TPE to Leeds back in the summer (booked them as they had a deal on), they made us change trains at York (Liverpool bound) to another TPE train which appeared to be originally heading to Middlesbrough.

The new fleet in 2018 should alleviate but it'll  be interesting to see what they do with 185s, the are a powerful unit.

I travel to Manchester weekly for work so i use TPE, luckily I've a clockwork schedule and book in advance in First Class. It's worth it for the peace and quiet and lack of people standing and whacking your face.