(20 Feb 2019, 12:42 pm)Andreos1 wrote This thread has died off a bit, which is a shame.My view is Europe is pretty much also in shambles, but I think reform should have been the agenda, not leaving it for an unknown outcome.
The whole Brexit thing is a shambles.
Both sides of the negotiation teams have hardly covered themselves in glory and the MSM are hardly helping things.
Day after day, we see and hear that Brexit is to blame for job losses and again, with Honda in Swindon.
Apparently Brexit has caused them to re-focus energies elsewhere, as the potential JIT problems getting parts in from Europe, coupled with the potential tariffs that exist, mean Swindon is no longer viable.
Except how many jobs were lost when the JIT manufacturing sites moved from the UK to Europe, using EU incentives?
How will those sites manage to get parts from Europe to Japan (where Honda are shifting the work), quicker than via the North Sea or English Channel?
How will the removal of tariffs agreed in the latest trade deal between the EU and Japan affect other manufacturers across the EU?
How has the EU diesel emissions regs impacted on car manufacturers around the bloc?
The propaganda we are seeing pumped out on a daily basis is amazing. People are falling for these half truths and in some cases lies...
Then, we have the ever growing group of independents, (currently) made up of a mixture of ex tories and ex Labour mp's. Labour mp's aligning with Tory mp's - who would have thought such a bunch of characters would have so many things in common?
Many think we survived WW2 without Europe and therefore we can now, but so many things have changed since then, we live internationally connected lives in the western world. We share ideas and use products from so many different countries.
I think there has been no opposition to brexit. Everyone knows what they don't want, nobody knows what they do want. There's only push factors, no pull factors.
No deal is uncertain and nobody knows what it could mean. May's deal is awful, and going back to Europe still leaves us with the same issues as before. Not only this, but we will be looked down on and made an example of how nobody can leave the union.
I think businesses have also been stretching brexit as a way of scaremongering. This is from someone who isn't a eurosceptic.
A people's vote seems poorly received, voting on a vote sounds silly.
If we leave, half the population will be upset that their say was not represented.
If we stay, half the population will be upset that they didn't get what they fairly voted for.
Hands are well and truly tied.
Clocks ticking, but towards what? I dread to think.