(18 Oct 2020, 12:02 pm)Storx wrote Anyway I'll say something positive. I'm glad you finally got arid of the the e-leather as fabric is a much for pleasant thing sit on imo. I know some won't agree because of the cleaning etc but the leather just isn't nice imo and isn't premium especially after a few months when it's worn.

The issue isn't the fact that leather is used, it's the type of leather used (be it e-leather or actual dead cows)
The dark blue stuff they used previously looks just as good 5 years later as it did when it was new, but the red and blue leather hasn't aged very well.

I personally like a seat with a bit of slide to it, there's nothing worse than having to stand up a little to adjust yourself in a seat after sitting for a while, which is something I find myself doing quite a lot, especially with the ADL seats as the fabric is too grippy and the seats not very comfortable for longer journeys.
With the older leather seats, they are grippy enough to stop you sliding around, but still allow a bit of slip when you want it.

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(18 Oct 2020, 12:09 pm)Dan wrote Yes, I think the Citaros these Volvo B9s are replacing are a great example of this! Some of them arguably look just as bad now, three years after refurbishment, than they did ten years after being delivered.

It's not just the look, they're genuinely the most uncomfortable seats on any bus I've used in quite some time.
I think even those horrific seats on those Solos we had on the 18 were nicer