(15 Jan 2022, 6:54 pm)Adrian wrote Definitely a flying pig! It'll never happen. The CAZ would have been the perfect opportunity to work towards that, but Councillors know that it'd be electoral suicide for whichever administration makes it.

An integrated Park and Ride is a must. Sure, there's places to park at some of the Metro stations, but it's not integrated and can work out a lot more expensive than taking the car into the City Centre and parking. Heworth for example is £2.50 for up to 12 hours in the long stay, but there's then £3.85 on the Metro, by which time there are cheaper options for parking in Newcastle.

There's also the matter of public transport being largely unsuitable for anyone going shopping. If I was to go to Eldon Square any maybe end up with a few bags from a few clothing shops, then where do I put them on the bus? The Streetdecks on the X1 for example, have no luggage space whatsoever to put anything more than a small bag or rucksack.


Is the carpark listing relatively new? I can't see it on the map here: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/t...sults=True

It wouldn't surprise me if someone did apply to have it listed, and less so if it was approved!

The carpark was under some sort of modern architectural art listing applied for, not sure if it was Newcastle City Council. It was 2017/8 so may have been disapproved as there has been cuts to listings under this regime, predominantly for the benefit of developers.
To be fair this are would make better sense than the speculation of the popularity pilgrim quarter.

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(15 Jan 2022, 9:14 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Few surprising comments on this thread.

- While I agree alternations could be make for increased stands at Eldon Square and Haymarket bus stations I don’t think just one large bus station for the city would be good.
Increased cross-city services could reduce the need for bus station stands. We have a few cross-city east-west services but no cross-city north-south services.

- Obviously a third bus station for the city centre would be great. I just don’t know where we’d fit one without taking up prime development land, while still being in a central enough area that passengers would be happy for their services to terminate at.

Maybe a crescent moon shaped bus station around the West & North sides of the 55° Degrees North roundabout, with two way traffic diverted around the South & East sides. But then again on the SkyscraperCity forum we’ve discussed this area being a good spot for a large public square and a bus station isn’t as an attractive option for the majority.

Pilgrim Street’s busy bus stops often cause congestion on the pavements and disrupts north-south pedestrian flow. Obviously this will be solved through the City Centre Transformation plans when buses are removed from this street and adjoining New Bridge Street West.
Additional bus stops and improved shelters are planned for the bus loop, namely John Dobson Street south and Market Street East & West.

- I don’t think Market Street is a dump as some have made out.
There is some nice architecture along there of varying styles. Granted Market Street East can be a bit quiet, but once the large Pilgrims Quarter, Pilgrims Place and Bank House developments are complete there should be more active frontages on the surrounding streets and increased footfall as the city centre regrows southwards.

Market street architecturally is superb, but is down at heel and the condition of the pavement and road reflect this markedly. With so much empty office space right there, the current plans for development and DWP move just push it further out. The court is sat unused, the floorspace on Market Street East alone could absorb much of what the city council want.
The street has to be narrowed and made bus only, shelters and displays put in and paths widened, and that's a bare minimum.