(18 May 2022, 5:05 pm)Storx wrote Aye I understand that but does that really happen though in theory when you've got the 25, 28, 29 and 51 bouncing all over it at numerous points which are all really struggling and now were at the case where one road has a really good service but Ouston, Kibblesworth, Portobello, Langley Park etc don't have a bus service at all now to Newcastle because of the 21 pretty much.I do agree that they may have inadvertently sucked the life of out services to Kibblesworth because people that could use the 29 are on the 21 instead for local trips. They may argue the cost the of a bus to essentially cover Low Fell to Kibblesworth isn't justified by the passengers that use it. But only they know the numbers.
https://images.nctx.co.uk/2022-02/Nottin...b%2022.pdf - There's a few good examples there in Nottingham where it happens and it seems sensible to me with blocks of numbers and the core corridor in this case Durham Road having a good service then when they go further out they start to split up and serve everywhere. It means the profits coming from the 21 can top up the less profitable end bits rather than those services running all the way to Newcastle / Gateshead duplicating the 21 around the world attempting to create links which don't exist.
Compare that to GNE's network map and it looks like some kid has had the crayons out.
I think the crux of the issue is that outside of Gateshead Borough, Washington and North West Durham, GNE are not the main operator in any of the major built up areas they serve.
They are traditionally the "out of town" operator, as in the NBC days and passengers numbers were falling in those days too.
To that degree, comparing NCT with GNE is not fair. I think you could compare NCT with Stagecoach Newcastle as the networks have similar characteristics. But GNE would be better compared with Trent Barton, the "out of town'" operator for Nottingham.