(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 wrote I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.

Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50, 

10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30 

£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will. 

I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible

See I think your looking at the numbers too easily especially those 2 routes. It's not just really about the number of passengers on board and any point.

Just to pick the 56 as it's a good one for it.

You might only have 20 people on board leaving Newcastle, which seems low but in reality what's happening is.

20 Boarded Newcastle / 15 Left Old Durham Road, 20 Boarded Old Durham Road / 15 Left at Wrekenton, 10 Boarded at Wrekenton / 10 Left at Concord, 15 Boarded Concord / 20 Left Nissan, 5 Boarded Nissan / 10 Left Southwick, 20 Boarded Southwick

which is a total of 90 PAX over the journey.

Compare that to the say the 55. You might have 25 leaving Sunderland and seems to be busy. Catch 22 it picks up 4 people the whole next hour and it's dead by Peterlee.

Total pax for that journey is only 29 and it's loss making.

Most the services being cut are falling under the 55 trap whereas the services which aren't 10/21/27/56/97 and so on have multiple destinations.