(16 Oct 2022, 3:18 pm)Starscream wrote You could start by acknowledging the Daily Mail is the most popular newspaper in Britain, seen by the public as the most right wing too, so it clearly does a good job of reflecting the British people far more than the Mirror (can't tell the chancellor from a random black man) or The Guardian (prints Labour campaign talking points as if they had been the words of random British people).

And then accept that the sheer number of people who vote Tory is pretty hard to reconcile if garbage like they're only working for the 1% was even remotely true.

The market crashed precisely because reducing taxes for the rich atm isn't actually popular even among most Tory voters, members and MPs. So the policy has been dumped, and maybe even everyone involved in conceiving it. Anathema to Labour, who consistently need to have their asses kicked at the ballot box before they ever admit they were wrong (and often not even then).

Would Labour really have done the same if Corbyn had got in and the markets had had their say on plans to spend trillions buying back everything Thatcher and Major sold off (a policy I might add that was only even legal thanks to Brexit, a Daily Mail victory for the ages). 

I think not. Labour is addicted to dogma and top down enforcement of what a few thousand activist "delegates" think is good public policy. It is their sad lot in life that most of the time most of the voting public hate that with a passion, even if a lot of the time that is an unfair characterisation of a system that at least had its origins in democratic organising. 

Hate the Daily Mail all you want. But I suspect this is largely because you already know that perusing its pages at any given moment gives you a pretty good idea of how to win a general election in this country.

I tend to avoid the Daily Mail, not because of it's political leanings, but because 90% of the stuff it posts is utter shite! But, to be fair, that goes for just about any newspaper these days!
Although, even as a Conservative voter I do often choose to read the Guardian, but then I sometimes have to balance it out with The Daily Express!

The fact of the matter is, for the last 10 or so years, more people in the UK have voted for Conservatives over Labour. If, as some people suggest, nobody likes the Conservatives, then they wouldn't have won any elections! Conversely, if Labour were as great as people make out, they would be in power!

If there was an election called tomorrow, I think Labour would probably win. Not because I think they are the better choice, but because people just don't Truss Liz!

Would changing the leader of the party again change anything, realistically, probably not at this point. Bringing back Boris could genuinely be an option, after all, he is who we voted for.

Then again, maybe Labour winning the next election will be a good thing for the Conservatives, they can use that time to refresh themselves, like what Labour has sort of done under Starmer. They went from being completely unelectable under Corbyn, to almost being an option.