(25 Oct 2025, 6:07 pm)Arriva7446 wrote I hope you're right. I would agree it is not worth doing if they are going to move out of frontline service and be retired in a couple of years. I am just never sure with Arriva as things tend to stay longer than they should, like the 57 plate Enviro 400's have outstayed their welcome by a couple of years. 

Just hope they are nit still around for up to 5 years or anything like that.

Yeah I get that, to be honest it was the more opposite aswell. Like if they get refurbished then they'll be around for longer type thing as they won't want to get rid of them. 

It's the Sapphire interior buses which need the refurbs, imo. Stuff like the 17 Plate MMC's and hopefully get rid of the cold white lighting, while they're at it. They're mid life pretty much now and are running around in an interior which doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for ages either. 

Whether you do the 14/64 Plate Streetlite/E400's is debatable as they're getting on a bit as well but they probably have 5 years left really.