(05 Jun 2026, 8:08 pm)Superman wrote I was comparing the situation with other bus operators directly, which makes it arguably different, but in any case those HGV jobs were always there (and they pay much more than a driver rate anyway) so if people wanted to go, they would have done that already.

From what I have seen and heard, the concerns regarding the closure appear to be more pronounced among political stakeholders than among actual employees. The majority of drivers seem neither supportive nor dis-engaged by the move, particularly as the closure package includes a permanent increase in pay amongst other benefits. Many little things not publicly mentioned, which is why you haven't seen Unite calling for strike action - for example (which was the case at Newcastle...). Read into that what you will.

Aye that's fair can't argue from that view to be fair. I just meant in general, wouldn't be surprised to see some go because of reasons beyond money. The extra hour commute is quite a chunk, especially if they're already commuting for 20 minutes or so.

Obviously don't expect strikes etc because it's unreasonable really.

(06 Jun 2026, 8:18 am)tvd wrote Does anyone have any theories over just why Redcar depot is unprofitable?

It runs the X4 which has recently got new buses and it busy.  The 63 was always a core high frequency route.
The X2 and X3 serve parts of the area with no other services so presumably are fairly busy.  Likewise the 64.

The depot is fairly newish, without much dead mileage.

What am I missing, where is the money being lost?

Not saying it's unprofitable but the trains won't help, they've improved quite a bit on the Saltburn line in recent years plus the TPE trains getting extended to Redcar aswell.

A hour journey to Marske on the X3/X4 or a 20 minute every 30 minutes service on the train, ignoring pricing, is a very easy choice with the bonus the trains serves central Redcar and Saltburn anyway.