but I agree on the B10 point, absolutely brilliant machines, honestly if they were DDA compliant I think we'd be seeing them around for some time yet. I know that when I used to get Arriva's they seemed far better than the newer stuff. Those, the Scania/East Lancs single deckers ANE used to have (271-290) and Olympians were my childhood buses, and provided some excellent memories. All of them were far better than any of the stuff now...