(11 Nov 2021, 12:35 am)Storx wrote Aye totally agreed, it's a shame the conversions obviously haven't gone well and they've been pretty much dumped on services that tbh don't really need them but there's just no-where else to put them. Quite like them tbh.


Possibly one for the future when they've sorted out whatever is going onto it. There's not much point interworking the 5/9/26 though as the driver hours would be too long so you'd have to swap drivers in South Shields anyway, believe the 20 would be similar. If you we're going to do that you might aswell get some minibuses and just run it by itself. It's probably all it needs really.

The 20 switches drivers on its way to South Sheilds I believe. So they could do a 20 South Sheilds - 26 - 20 Sunderland .

(11 Nov 2021, 12:35 am)Storx wrote Aye totally agreed, it's a shame the conversions obviously haven't gone well and they've been pretty much dumped on services that tbh don't really need them but there's just no-where else to put them. Quite like them tbh.


Possibly one for the future when they've sorted out whatever is going onto it. There's not much point interworking the 5/9/26 though as the driver hours would be too long so you'd have to swap drivers in South Shields anyway, believe the 20 would be similar. If you we're going to do that you might aswell get some minibuses and just run it by itself. It's probably all it needs really.

I think it's less of the fact the conversion hasn't gone well and more that there probably just isn't the funds to finish the rest of them. 
And, as I've said before, being a fan of EVs, I actually prefer them with the hybrid system!

(11 Nov 2021, 9:44 am)streetdeckfan wrote I think it's less of the fact the conversion hasn't gone well and more that there probably just isn't the funds to finish the rest of them. 

or the one that has been converted hasn't been in service long enough to decide if the others are worth converting (data collection)

(10 Nov 2021, 8:55 pm)Andreos1 wrote To be fair, they knew exactly what they were getting in to when they signed the agreement for the mods. 
Quite why they did it and why they thought that it was a good idea, is another matter.

exactly

I would hate to pay my council tax only to find out another county was benefitting from it

(11 Nov 2021, 12:35 am)Storx wrote Aye totally agreed, it's a shame the conversions obviously haven't gone well and they've been pretty much dumped on services that tbh don't really need them but there's just no-where else to put them. Quite like them tbh.

I'm not sure they've been dumped on services that don't really need them? The conversion of service 16 from single-deck to double-deck allowed the withdrawal of the scholars 816 service (which has always historically duplicated the 16), allowing a cost saving to be made.

It's also permitting the cascade of 4x Euro 6 double-deck buses to services which need to be Euro 6 (i.e. one board on services 26/50 due to capacity issues on one journey on the latter service, and one board on service 25) and/or provide a more adequate number of spare buses which are Euro 6 and of a high quality for customers. 

(11 Nov 2021, 10:40 am)S813 FVK wrote or the one that has been converted hasn't been in service long enough to decide if the others are worth converting (data collection)

Agreed - given that 6064 has barely been in service for more than a few weeks, and has been back at East Yorkshire since 1 October for further modifications, I wouldn't have expected any others to be converted this soon.

Get the first one right, doing the job it needs to do, then yes, going forward, they'll likely be converted on failure of the Hybrid unit and/or other major components.

(10 Nov 2021, 10:12 pm)peter wrote The PVR of the 26/50 is 11 not 12-14 and similarly the PVR of the 6/12/12A is 11 I believe following the Lanchester extension. If 9 Streetlites were freed up by the new electrics then you'd still be a couple short to meet the 26/50 PVR - unless the stipulation would be for just the 8 vehicles funded by the council to be replaced, in which case that would be achievable.

I wold think the displaced Streetlights will end up on the 25 as this route will need euro 6 buses on it. Not sure what the PVR is.

(12 Nov 2021, 11:06 am)ian foster wrote I wold think the displaced Streetlights will end up on the 25 as this route will need euro 6 buses on it. Not sure what the PVR is.

PVR is 6 with atleast 1 double decker. Sometimes their is 2 or 3 on though.

There also have some Angel Streetdecks on them, in the morning.

(12 Nov 2021, 11:15 am)Keeiajs wrote PVR is 6 with atleast 1 double decker. Sometimes their is 2 or 3 on though.

There also have some Angel Streetdecks on them, in the morning.

Thanks. The rest of the displaced Streetlights will probably be spares maybe 1 at cl and the rest at riverside to cover services entering Newcastle.

(11 Nov 2021, 11:47 am)Dan wrote I'm not sure they've been dumped on services that don't really need them? The conversion of service 16 from single-deck to double-deck allowed the withdrawal of the scholars 816 service (which has always historically duplicated the 16), allowing a cost saving to be made.

It's also permitting the cascade of 4x Euro 6 double-deck buses to services which need to be Euro 6 (i.e. one board on services 26/50 due to capacity issues on one journey on the latter service, and one board on service 25) and/or provide a more adequate number of spare buses which are Euro 6 and of a high quality for customers.

Aye that's fair but argubly the 25/26/50 wouldn't need the Euro 6 buses if there wasn't emission mods in the first place and could use older buses so the newest buses are better used elsewhere at the same time.

(12 Nov 2021, 11:21 am)ian foster wrote Thanks. The rest of the displaced Streetlights will probably be spares maybe 1 at cl and the rest at riverside to cover services entering Newcastle.

There's enough Versa's around to do the work at Chester Le Street (8307 - 8309 / 8319 - 8328). Imagine they're going to be doing those routes. Apart from the longer 63 plate Versa's can see them all moving out of Riverside as they don't really need them anymore.

They need a few more doubles on the 50 btw, people were having to stand on an onmicity this afternoon.

Without Dupes, buses are rammed again at school times, and zero respect, maskless in the majority.

(22 Nov 2021, 4:07 pm)54APhotography wrote Without Dupes, buses are rammed again at school times, and zero respect, maskless in the majority.

Not just at school times, and not just buses. I took a short Metro ride from Wallsend to the town on Sunday and that was rammed too.
Seems to be a few more wear face coverings on the Metro, but still in a tiny minority at that.

Seems to be the case everywhere, this will just run and run. Metros seem to be doing quite well, and the busr journey's I've made recently all show decent returning numbers. Of course the amount of services missing altogether has impacted there at times.